Snail Scott on wed 2 apr 03
At 09:16 PM 4/2/03 -0600, Mel wrote:
>you pay a grand for a wheel, and get a small
>sheet of paper that says: wash with warm water and soap.
>if you buy a vacuum cleaner you get 50 pages in 7 languages.
That's 'cause vacuum cleaners are assumed (correctly or
not) to be used mainly be women, who READ instruction books.
Men never read the instructions 'til after it breaks (if ever)
so maybe the wheel manufacturers could make a 'Gal-Wheel',
with a choice of paint colors and all the diagrams and
instructions printed on LAMINATED paper in a tidy booklet.
The 'Guy-Wheel' would be galvanized, with extra bolts just
for looks, and not even a label for the on/off switch!
-Snail
mel jacobson on wed 2 apr 03
finally, someone that suggested a shop manual for
wheels.
you pay a grand for a wheel, and get a small
sheet of paper that says:
wash with warm water and soap.
that is it.
you get a better picture of a tool that you get from
singapore for three bucks.
if you buy a vacuum cleaner you get 50 pages in 7 languages.
the wheel folks are way behind.
there should be a simple break down image of the foot pedal.
how to adjust the speed.
what is the control box on the side for?
how does one replace the brushes.
it is time to revolt.
send your cards and letters to all the wheel
makers.
we demand literature.
now.
or else we will go on strike.
mel
we will call it the `clayart revolt`.
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Brian Haviland on thu 3 apr 03
At 07:34 PM 4/2/03 -0800, you wrote:
>At 09:16 PM 4/2/03 -0600, Mel wrote:
> >you pay a grand for a wheel, and get a small
> >sheet of paper that says: wash with warm water and soap.
>
> >if you buy a vacuum cleaner you get 50 pages in 7 languages.
>
>
>
>That's 'cause vacuum cleaners are assumed (correctly or
>not) to be used mainly be women, who READ instruction books.
>
>Men never read the instructions 'til after it breaks (if ever)
>so maybe the wheel manufacturers could make a 'Gal-Wheel',
>with a choice of paint colors and all the diagrams and
>instructions printed on LAMINATED paper in a tidy booklet.
-----snip------
The wheel you described as the 'Guy-Wheel' is what the first wheel
i ever built looked like.It must be a Guy thing ;)
Instructions not included.........
Brian
>The 'Guy-Wheel' would be galvanized, with extra bolts just
>for looks, and not even a label for the on/off switch!
>
> -Snail
>
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Ingeborg Foco on thu 3 apr 03
" I have tried repeatedly to communicate with the folks that make the
Brent wheel about an option I would like to see available for the Brent
My phone calls
have always been referred to someone else which turns out to be the
voice mail for someone out of the office. My calls are never returned."
Last month I bought a power sewing machine. Sailrite is the brand. It is
guaranteed for two years however, the company discourages returning the
machine for repairs. Their objective is to help you learn to repair your
own machine. It's designed for sailors and of course if you are at sea,
well there are no repairmen at sea - no plumbers either!
It comes with a well written manual which tells you how to repair anything
that might go awry. That's one of the reasons I bought it. If you need
technical assistance, they are most happy to help you on their 800 number.
If a sewing machine company can do this, wheel manufacturers certainly
should be able to I suspect, they simply don't have the interest.
Ingeborg
the Potter's Workshop & Gallery
P.O. Box 510
3058 Stringfellow Road
St. James City, Florida 33956
239-283-2775
John Rodgers on thu 3 apr 03
The makers of the Brent wheels don't listen, I think. It may be with
other manufacturers as well. Except maybe Axner. Axner actually solicits
comments and suggestions. There is a place on the Axner website for it.
It may be a good place for all Clayarters to go and leave word for Axner
to create and publish the manual that has been suggested in Mel's post.
I have tried repeatedly to communicate with the folks that make the
Brent wheel about an option I would like to see available for the Brent
but my communications have never received a response. My phone calls
have always been referred to someone else which turns out to be the
voice mail for someone out of the office. My calls are never returned.
Frustrating. So, I have turned to Axner. If the new Axner wheels get
modified per my suggestion I will, in a heartbeat, replace my Brent CXC
with a new Axner wheel. The suggested change, along with the current
options already on the Axner wheels, means that much to me.
So in-so-far as a manual goes, Axner may well be listening.
John Rodgers
Birmingham, AL
mel jacobson wrote:
> finally, someone that suggested a shop manual for
> wheels.
>
> you pay a grand for a wheel, and get a small
> sheet of paper that says:
>
> wash with warm water and soap.
>
> that is it.
>
> you get a better picture of a tool that you get from
> singapore for three bucks.
>
> if you buy a vacuum cleaner you get 50 pages in 7 languages.
>
> the wheel folks are way behind.
>
> there should be a simple break down image of the foot pedal.
> how to adjust the speed.
> what is the control box on the side for?
> how does one replace the brushes.
>
> it is time to revolt.
> send your cards and letters to all the wheel
> makers.
> we demand literature.
> now.
> or else we will go on strike.
> mel
> we will call it the `clayart revolt`.
> From:
> Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
> web site: my.pclink.com/~melpots
> or try: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
> new/ http://www.TICK-ATTACK.COM
>
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dneese on thu 3 apr 03
I am sure that all of us with wheels can have positive effects if we kindly
make suggestions to the manufacturers of our wheels. One problem we have
with the newer Brent wheels is the placement of the fuse. Right next to the
on and off switch. A new student at the school will turn the fuse every time
instead of flipping the switch. Sent it back. And we mentioned another
glitch to Brent reps at NCECA, the reversing plug that is now under and
behind the control box, have to unplug and plug. Not a good idea either. I
am glad that the two Brent wheels I personally have are the older CXC
models. They are super fine wheels.
Dale Tex
"across the alley from the Alamo"
San Antonio, Texas
Earl Brunner on fri 4 apr 03
Come on Snail, you are leaving yourself open here. One MIGHT say that
women read the instructions because they NEED too. :)
I know, I know, I'm going to hear it now from all of the women on the
list for THAT one. I'll save you trouble. Someone is gong to say that
there are so many women on the list because they CAN read.........
Snail Scott wrote:
> At 09:16 PM 4/2/03 -0600, Mel wrote:
>
>>if you buy a vacuum cleaner you get 50 pages in 7 languages.
>>
> That's 'cause vacuum cleaners are assumed (correctly or
> not) to be used mainly be women, who READ instruction books.
>
Neil Fallon on sat 5 apr 03
Here, here.......
I have had a Creative Industries wheel for nearly 30 years. It hasn't needed
much, and to be honest, an exploded view of the wheel's parts could fit on
one page, but it would be awfully nice to have that information.
I'm not sure, but the same could be said for pug mills, slab rollers and
extruders. We all understand that these are simple tools, save perhaps the
pug mill. However, each of us has a little bit of "Tool Time Tim" inside...
and I'm including the women on this list in that comment as well.
So if this is a beginning of movement to get manufacturers to be a bit more
responsive to the needs of the "industry," count me in!
Neil Fallon
Rock Pond Pottery
nfallon@adelphia.net
Brian Haviland on mon 7 apr 03
I guess i'm lucky to be blessed with a mechanical ability to understand the
way my wheels work. I have been a maint tech for years so when i bought my
first pacifica GT 400 wheel and found a can of silicone lubricant and a
tee-handle alan wrench in a bag with unpacking instructions i knew exactly
what they were for. For me it's hard to understand what it would be like to
be less knowledgeable on the mechanical aspects of my wheel. But it would
be nice to have a breakdown on parts w/ part numbers for easy ordering,and
maybe even some belt tension spesifications and lubrication needs.I write
preventitive maint.instructions on machines we get in from japan on a
monthly basis and for some pretty good size machines,i might add.It only
takes me a few hours to do and make copies for everyone that is involved in
production and maint. of said machine.So what would it take for the wheel
manufacturers to do the same............NOT MUCH.....I would guess.
Brian Haviland
----snip-----
At 05:19 PM 4/5/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Here, here.......
>
>I have had a Creative Industries wheel for nearly 30 years. It hasn't needed
>much, and to be honest, an exploded view of the wheel's parts could fit on
>one page, but it would be awfully nice to have that information.
>
>I'm not sure, but the same could be said for pug mills, slab rollers and
>extruders. We all understand that these are simple tools, save perhaps the
>pug mill. However, each of us has a little bit of "Tool Time Tim" inside...
>and I'm including the women on this list in that comment as well.
>
>So if this is a beginning of movement to get manufacturers to be a bit more
>responsive to the needs of the "industry," count me in!
>
>Neil Fallon
>Rock Pond Pottery
>nfallon@adelphia.net
>
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