John Anthony on fri 11 apr 03
A couple of folks have asked where the page of tests I posted last month
had gone-
I had to move the stuff to another site, and it took a little longer
than I expected-
here's a new link for anyone interested
www.redhillpottery.com/cone6tests.html
i have many more tests, but the weather's turning, I've got a huge stack
of wood, so I'm
making pots to fire up the wood kiln this month. I'll post some more as
soon as I can get some photos done.
cheers
John Anthony
John Anthony on sat 12 apr 03
Ababi-
As I said in my offlist reply- I certainly did not remove your name from a
recipe that had it attached, and I never said the recipe was "mine". You seem to be coming on a little
strong and making some assumptions that are not necessarily warranted, I have one recipe in my notes called Ababi's Fall's Creek Shino, and it's not this one-and this one isn't identical to the one I tested. I have searched back through my notes and I am not able to find the source of that recipe- there are a lot of Fall's and Falls Creek Shinos on the web if you use various search engines, and some of them are contained in posts and unattributed.
Certainly I have nothing but respect for your efforts and knowledge- and you got much nicer results than I did
if those photos are of the same glaze.
So, I will gladly amend the name of the glaze on the test page as soon as I can do so ( Monday I guess), so all ten of the other people on the planet who care about cone 6 oxidation shinos will be correctly informed.
In the meantime, as I also said in my offlist reply, take a chill pill- there's no need to get huffy about what amounts to a completely benign and unintentional oversight. Politeness is easier on everyone (well,on me anyway).
John Antony
redhillpottery
>>ON Sat, 12 Apr 2003 05:26:43 +0200
Ababi wrote:
>>Hello John
>>Is it only my imagination?
>>Or this recipe is "yours" Falls creek Shino 2
>>Ababi's Falls Creek Shino11 ^6 oxidation
>>RED CLAY (GRT) 45.29
>>ULTROX 8.54
>>FRIT 3134 28.20
>>Calcium Carbonate 2.56
>>ZINC OXIDE 8.54
>>SILICA 6.83
>>Tin Oxide 4.30
--snip--
>>This recipe was created to avoid the using of Lithium Carbonate in this beautiful
>>glaze.
>>Please note: You did not pay my for my expenses of testing my glazes at least pay
>>me the respect and keep my name. Even a public domain can be respected!
>>By the way; This glaze is nice when it is thin and thick better on a buff claybody much
>>better over an iron oxide wash.
>>See some works:
>>http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/1195866/ slide 6
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/185990/
Down
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/552195/
>>The last slide over a white stoneware
>>Ababi Sharon
>>Glaze addict
>>Kibbutz Shoval Israel
Ababi on sat 12 apr 03
Hello John
Is it only my imagination?
Or this recipe is "yours" Falls creek Shino 2
Ababi's Falls Creek Shino11 ^6 oxidation
RED CLAY (GRT) 45.29
ULTROX 8.54
FRIT 3134 28.20
Calcium Carbonate 2.56
ZINC OXIDE 8.54
SILICA 6.83
Tin Oxide 4.30
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Seger Weight%
KNO 0.225 5.61%
CaO 0.404 7.82%
MgO 0.039 0.55%
ZnO 0.332 9.33%
Al2O3 0.266 9.35%
B2O3 0.296 7.12%
SiO2 2.600 53.95%
ZrO2 0.147 6.27%
K2O 0.072 2.34%
Na2O 0.153 3.27%
Al:Si 9.78
Expan. 7.02
ST 347.58
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
This recipe was created to avoid the using of Lithium Carbonate in this beautiful
glaze.
Please note: You did not pay my for my expenses of testing my glazes at least pay
me the respect and keep my name. Even a public domain can be respected!
By the way; This glaze is nice when it is thin and thick better on a buff claybody much
better over an iron oxide wash.
See some works:
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/1195866/ slide 6
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/185990/
Down
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/552195/
The last slide over a white stoneware
Ababi Sharon
Glaze addict
Kibbutz Shoval Israel
---------- Original Message ----------
>A couple of folks have asked where the page of tests I posted last month
>had gone-
>I had to move the stuff to another site, and it took a little longer
>than I expected-
>here's a new link for anyone interested
> www.redhillpottery.com/cone6tests.html
>i have many more tests, but the weather's turning, I've got a huge stack
>of wood, so I'm
>making pots to fire up the wood kiln this month. I'll post some more as
>soon as I can get some photos done.
>cheers
>John Anthony
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Ababi on sat 12 apr 03
Hello John and hello everybody!
I will add here my reply to you off list answer: perhaps even wider.
You are right their are many versions to Falls creek Shino.
The original I believe is this one:
at least this is the one I know from the list prepared by Don Goodrich
============================
FALL'S CREEK SHINO ^6 OX
Gerstley Borate 18.69
F-4 Feldspar 9.35
Alberta Slip 56.07
Lithium Carb 6.54
Silica 9.35 9.35
+ Zircopax 9.35
Tin Oxide 4.67
from Rafael Molina-Rodriguez
==========================
By the way my translating tool does not understand : take a chill pill- there's no need
to
>get huffy about what amounts to a completely benign and unintentional oversight.
Sorry If I was mean:
You said we used different materials I used ultrox and you used zircopax I used red
clay and you used redart.
I believe I have adjusted my recipe for clayart. Besides Ultrox and Zircopax are the
same or very near. Red clay and red art are almost the same.
http://lsv.ceramics.org/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0112D&L=CLAYART&P=R17433&m=122334
http://lsv.ceramics.org/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0201D&L=CLAYART&P=R10283&m=122334
http://lsv.ceramics.org/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0205C&L=CLAYART&P=R14114&m=122334
The only thing I have in the ceramic world is the appreciation to my work. I do not get
a coin for it.
One of the reasons I spread my recipes: Why would not other people learn and make
these glazes, If I cannot use them , because I am not selling my works ( except
teaching) let other people enjoy my glazes and use them. Another reason: The ClayArt
Archives are my best glazes archives! Better than a CD If my computer fails I can pick
the recipes anywhere!
The glaze you had tested :
FALLS CREEK2 Could it be FALLS CREEK II ?
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Cone 6 1222 deg.C. -
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
RedArt Clay 53.00
Zircopax 10.00
Ferro 3134 33.00
Calcium Carbonate 3.00
zinc oxide 10.00
silica 8.00
Tin Oxide 5.00
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Seger Weight%
KNO 0.224 5.61%
CaO 0.405 7.87%
MgO 0.039 0.54%
ZnO 0.332 9.37%
Al2O3 0.262 9.24%
B2O3 0.296 7.14%
SiO2 2.567 53.45%
ZrO2 0.148 6.30%
TiO2 0.017 0.48%
K2O 0.072 2.34%
Na2O 0.152 3.26%
Al:Si 9.81
Expan. 7.07
ST 347.68
Again as 100% +the tin
FALLS CREEK2
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Cone 6 1222 deg.C. -
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
RedArt Clay 45.29
Zircopax 8.54
Ferro 3134 28.20
Calcium Carbonate 2.56
zinc oxide 8.54
silica 6.83
Tin Oxide 4.27
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Now rounding the numbers a little bit
FALLS CREEK2
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Cone 6 1222 deg.C. -
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
RedArt Clay 45.30
Zircopax 8.50
Ferro 3134 28.20
Calcium Carbonate 2.60
zinc oxide 8.50
silica 6.80
Tin Oxide 4.27
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Mine again rounded a bit:
ABABI'S FALLS CREEK SHINO 11
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Cone 6 1222 deg.C. -
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
red clay (GRT) 45.40
ultrox 8.60
Ferro 3134 28.30
Calcium Carbonate 2.60
zinc oxide 8.60
silica 6.60
Tin Oxide 4.31
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Seger Weight%
KNO 0.224 5.61%
CaO 0.405 7.87%
MgO 0.039 0.54%
ZnO 0.332 9.37%
Al2O3 0.262 9.24%
B2O3 0.296 7.14%
SiO2 2.567 53.45%
ZrO2 0.148 6.30%
TiO2 0.017 0.48%
K2O 0.072 2.34%
Na2O 0.152 3.26%
Al:Si 9.81
Expan. 7.07
ST 347.68
Similar?
you might have it in the original way I had it in Insight.
If I would be an evil man I could with my current knowledge take all the recipes I know
from books or sites and write them with different figures. No one except the glaze
gurus or glaze addicts would know I would cheat. Names like red clay and red art do
not matter using one feldspar or another does not mean it is a different glaze.
Sincerely
Ababi Sharon
Glaze addict
Kibbutz Shoval Israel
ababisha@shoval.org.il
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/
http://www.milkywayceramics.com/cgallery/asharon.htm
and also
http://www.israel-ceramics.org/membersGallery/personalpage.asp?MID=507
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