Elizabeth Priddy on thu 17 apr 03
I ran into this. (quoted below) I would actually like to see this, just because it might be really interesting to look at...as long as the power holds...
"you encounter instead Marc Quinn's "Self," nine pints of his blood frozen into a cast of his head and encased in a gently humming refrigerated case."
http://nytimes.com/2003/04/16/arts/design/16SAAT.html
Things that are being made now with materials that allow conceptualization like this are why you need to allow for and accomodate all of the other crap.
The editing process on modern art has only begun. Maybe it is time to retire the trashcans as having been done, but you shouldn't demand that they retire things that have not been conceptualized yet.
Mel, I thought your tirade about modern art was ill-considered. The most recent post you made about hope showed much more of what you love and less what you apparently have personal issues with.
You may be the mayor, but sometimes people react to you like you are the Father, afraid to criticize you because you might cut off their allowance. A mayor is elected and could be deposed if the citizenry dissented. Since you can't, try to keep aware of this dynamic and be an enlightened despot, ok...I saw posts attacking what you said by proxy, going after people who basicly parroted you. I wonder why they didn't have the balls to just respond to your post in the first place...hmmm... Here is the issue, not censorship, per se.
Youth and a modern view of the world will by necessity not have the seasoned reason of age. And thank God for that if all I am going to get from seasoned artists is smooth intellectually interesting beautiful work. I like the roughness of the crap put out by design students. I would not pay to have it, but it adds value to society by its existence. I can no longer create the crap I produced when I was young. And some of the blind innovation is gone as well. I look to their crap for ideas that I have the talent and facilities to build from. It helps me see the world with eyes that are fresher, more naive, and unaware of the marketplace.
I haven't seen your art, mel, I only read your posts and have seen a few of your pots. I would love to see these paintings you talk about and judge for myself whether you are living up to the ideals I hold. Not many flat artists do, as I am very well educated and hold them to standards of historical significance, not contemporary standards. I know your pots rate time, but do your paintings? Or might they be seen by future artists as fodder for new work, but not really collectible? Who knows and who cares? Don't bash people for trying just because they haven't got the skills to back it up yet. We were all there once. And without public funding, sometimes there is no opportunity to get that work out of your system so that you can mature.
As long as the army still pays for the Bradley and such, I will gladly suffer some bad art for the opportunity to know that good art can come from it. (The bradley is a poorly functioning and obsolete tank that cost billions, not the millions the NEA has gotten, cumulative, that was actually put into production)
Back to the "art"...
I know what frozen blood looks like, since I have frozen steaks, but I have no clue of what this bad boy must look like. And to use the DNA holding stuff of life as the media for a self-portrait is just damn interesting. I'm glad somebody paid the electric bill for this guy, cause he's got a great head on his shoulders...and apparently in a Frigidaire!
"you encounter instead Marc Quinn's "Self," nine pints of his blood frozen into a cast of his head and encased in a gently humming refrigerated case."
http://nytimes.com/2003/04/16/arts/design/16SAAT.html
Elizabeth Priddy
www.angelfire.com/nc/clayworkshop
Beaufort, NC
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Jocelyn McAuley on thu 17 apr 03
Are you familiar with Nigella, the British down to earth "domestic
goddess"? She has a cooking show and recipe books...
Her partner is the former owner of one of these blood portraits.
Unfortunately, Nigella was having the kitchen remodeled, and the workers
unplugged the freezer containing this piece of art.
yuck
On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Elizabeth Priddy wrote:
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:52:30 -0700
> From: Elizabeth Priddy
> Reply-To: Clayart
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: art, attacks by proxy...mel's rant-long
>
> I ran into this. (quoted below) I would actually like to see this, just because it might be really interesting to look at...as long as the power holds...
>
>
>
> "you encounter instead Marc Quinn's "Self," nine pints of his blood frozen into a cast of his head and encased in a gently humming refrigerated case."
>
> http://nytimes.com/2003/04/16/arts/design/16SAAT.html
>
>
>
>
> Things that are being made now with materials that allow conceptualization like this are why you need to allow for and accomodate all of the other crap.
>
>
>
> The editing process on modern art has only begun. Maybe it is time to retire the trashcans as having been done, but you shouldn't demand that they retire things that have not been conceptualized yet.
>
>
>
> Mel, I thought your tirade about modern art was ill-considered. The most recent post you made about hope showed much more of what you love and less what you apparently have personal issues with.
>
>
>
> You may be the mayor, but sometimes people react to you like you are the Father, afraid to criticize you because you might cut off their allowance. A mayor is elected and could be deposed if the citizenry dissented. Since you can't, try to keep aware of this dynamic and be an enlightened despot, ok...I saw posts attacking what you said by proxy, going after people who basicly parroted you. I wonder why they didn't have the balls to just respond to your post in the first place...hmmm... Here is the issue, not censorship, per se.
>
>
>
> Youth and a modern view of the world will by necessity not have the seasoned reason of age. And thank God for that if all I am going to get from seasoned artists is smooth intellectually interesting beautiful work. I like the roughness of the crap put out by design students. I would not pay to have it, but it adds value to society by its existence. I can no longer create the crap I produced when I was young. And some of the blind innovation is gone as well. I look to their crap for ideas that I have the talent and facilities to build from. It helps me see the world with eyes that are fresher, more naive, and unaware of the marketplace.
>
>
>
> I haven't seen your art, mel, I only read your posts and have seen a few of your pots. I would love to see these paintings you talk about and judge for myself whether you are living up to the ideals I hold. Not many flat artists do, as I am very well educated and hold them to standards of historical significance, not contemporary standards. I know your pots rate time, but do your paintings? Or might they be seen by future artists as fodder for new work, but not really collectible? Who knows and who cares? Don't bash people for trying just because they haven't got the skills to back it up yet. We were all there once. And without public funding, sometimes there is no opportunity to get that work out of your system so that you can mature.
>
>
>
> As long as the army still pays for the Bradley and such, I will gladly suffer some bad art for the opportunity to know that good art can come from it. (The bradley is a poorly functioning and obsolete tank that cost billions, not the millions the NEA has gotten, cumulative, that was actually put into production)
>
>
>
> Back to the "art"...
>
>
>
> I know what frozen blood looks like, since I have frozen steaks, but I have no clue of what this bad boy must look like. And to use the DNA holding stuff of life as the media for a self-portrait is just damn interesting. I'm glad somebody paid the electric bill for this guy, cause he's got a great head on his shoulders...and apparently in a Frigidaire!
>
>
>
> "you encounter instead Marc Quinn's "Self," nine pints of his blood frozen into a cast of his head and encased in a gently humming refrigerated case."
>
> http://nytimes.com/2003/04/16/arts/design/16SAAT.html
>
>
>
>
> Elizabeth Priddy
>
> www.angelfire.com/nc/clayworkshop
> Beaufort, NC
>
>
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