Judy Schaefer on wed 23 apr 03
Hi,
I have a Bailey's slab roller. The one I use at school
has a smooth roller and that was what I had expected
when I ordered mine. It came instead with a gritty
roller which is fine with clay (it's purpose is to
help grab the canvas) but disappointed me because I
had a fantasy of using it for occasional printmaking
on paper. Evidently it could have been ordered, but
Bailey's didn't give me that option when I placed my
order and wouldn't or couldn't after it was delivered.
I like the single control and the fact that I don't
need pieces to raise the level is good too. As for it
not going in both directions, I cope with that by
rolling half the final goal, lifting the slab to the
other end where I have another table raised to the
same height as the slab roller table. I turn the slab
90 degrees to help compression before running it
through a second time (I always rotate with each roll
through the slab roller). The perfect slab roller
would be a reversible Bailey's! Is there such a thing?
Hope this helps, Judy Schaefer
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Marcia Selsor on wed 23 apr 03
I built a cart to slide the slab onto and then roll aroung to feed into
the rollers again. I love wheels. Everything in my studio (exceot the
slab roller) is on wheels.
I love my new Bailey slab roller.
Marcia Selsor
Judy Schaefer wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a Bailey's slab roller. The one I use at school
> has a smooth roller and that was what I had expected
> when I ordered mine. It came instead with a gritty
> roller which is fine with clay (it's purpose is to
> help grab the canvas) but disappointed me because I
> had a fantasy of using it for occasional printmaking
> on paper. Evidently it could have been ordered, but
> Bailey's didn't give me that option when I placed my
> order and wouldn't or couldn't after it was delivered.
> I like the single control and the fact that I don't
> need pieces to raise the level is good too. As for it
> not going in both directions, I cope with that by
> rolling half the final goal, lifting the slab to the
> other end where I have another table raised to the
> same height as the slab roller table. I turn the slab
> 90 degrees to help compression before running it
> through a second time (I always rotate with each roll
> through the slab roller). The perfect slab roller
> would be a reversible Bailey's! Is there such a thing?
>
> Hope this helps, Judy Schaefer
>
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Roger Korn on wed 23 apr 03
Bailey's ought to be able to swap you rollers at little or no cost. They
seem like good folks to deal with.
The Bailey mechanism for driving variable-spaced rollers in opposite
directions of rotation won't deal with reversing the feed direction very
well, but perhaps some thought about this will yield a solution.
Going forward, turn 90, back, turn 90, .... would sure be efficient.
Just ruminating,
Roger
Judy Schaefer wrote:
>Hi,
>I have a Bailey's slab roller. The one I use at school
>has a smooth roller and that was what I had expected
>when I ordered mine. It came instead with a gritty
>roller which is fine with clay (it's purpose is to
>help grab the canvas) but disappointed me because I
>had a fantasy of using it for occasional printmaking
>on paper. Evidently it could have been ordered, but
>Bailey's didn't give me that option when I placed my
>order and wouldn't or couldn't after it was delivered.
>I like the single control and the fact that I don't
>need pieces to raise the level is good too. As for it
>not going in both directions, I cope with that by
>rolling half the final goal, lifting the slab to the
>other end where I have another table raised to the
>same height as the slab roller table. I turn the slab
>90 degrees to help compression before running it
>through a second time (I always rotate with each roll
>through the slab roller). The perfect slab roller
>would be a reversible Bailey's! Is there such a thing?
>
>Hope this helps, Judy Schaefer
>
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Paulette Carr on thu 24 apr 03
Judy,
Bailey does have a reversible slab roller: the Drive Board model. I have
one, and love it! I am trying to visualize how you would rotate the long
canvas, though, since it is such an essential part of the slab making ... I
suppose the you could put another canvas between the fold -- a shorter one on
which the clay is actually rolled, and one which could be rotated within the
long roller canvas. I am sure that it could be worked out. With the Drive
Board slab roller, it is strongly suggested that the clay span a good portion
of the width of the roller. When you rotate the slab, this would no longer
be the case, but maybe you could use shims (clay? or otherwise) on either end
of the roller with the slab in the middle. I have not found it necessary to
re-roll my slabs, though I do compress them in various directions before
cutting them into tiles. No warping or cracking problems.
With regard to the gritty roller and printmaking, why not put the "inked
plate" and paper between two masonite, foam or other firm boards , and roll
this through the rollers. It is worth a try ... and certainly cheaper than
changing out your rollers.
Good luck,
Paulette Carr
St. Louis, MO
Brenda Beeley on thu 24 apr 03
I have a very old used 40" electric Bailey slab roller.........rolls both ways.
Smooth rollers. A dream.
Brenda
at ClaySpace
>The perfect slab roller
>would be a reversible Bailey's! Is there such a thing?
>Hope this helps, Judy Schaefer
Gail Dapogny on thu 24 apr 03
Judy,
To add to Paulette's advice, don't overlook the Slab Mats that one sees
advertised in CM and other places. I forget which company carries them --
try Brackers, for one -- but they are smooth, cutable, and come in various
sizes. Very convenient for use with slab rollers,.
Our guild has a Bailey and it is used constantly. We have long canvas
sheets, as Paulette mentions, to accomodate different clay bodies, and, as
well, a drawer full of light percale or similar pieces of cloth of varying
lengths to put on top of the canvas (and some of us have slab mats).
These, when they are small enough, can easily be rotated and run through
again. The canvas sheets are not used for storage; they are stored under
the slab roller rolled up, and ready for use. The drawer of cloth pieces
is nearby. We also have a few large boards covered with canvas that are
used for storage for very large slabs.
Best of luck,
Gail Dapogny in Ann Arbor
>Judy,
>
>Bailey does have a reversible slab roller: the Drive Board model. I have
>one, and love it! I am trying to visualize how you would rotate the long
>canvas, though, since it is such an essential part of the slab making ... I
>suppose the you could put another canvas between the fold -- a shorter one on
>which the clay is actually rolled, and one which could be rotated within the
>long roller canvas. I am sure that it could be worked out. With the Drive
>Board slab roller, it is strongly suggested that the clay span a good portion
>of the width of the roller. When you rotate the slab, this would no longer
>be the case, but maybe you could use shims (clay? or otherwise) on either end
>of the roller with the slab in the middle. I have not found it necessary to
>re-roll my slabs, though I do compress them in various directions before
>cutting them into tiles. No warping or cracking problems.
>
>With regard to the gritty roller and printmaking, why not put the "inked
>plate" and paper between two masonite, foam or other firm boards , and roll
>this through the rollers. It is worth a try ... and certainly cheaper than
>changing out your rollers.
>
>Good luck,
>Paulette Carr
>St. Louis, MO
Steve Mills on fri 25 apr 03
Judy,
A rubber band will hold up the anti-reverse catch and there you go!
Steve
Bath
UK
In message , Judy Schaefer writes
>Hi,
>I have a Bailey's slab roller. The one I use at school
>has a smooth roller and that was what I had expected
>when I ordered mine. It came instead with a gritty
>roller which is fine with clay (it's purpose is to
>help grab the canvas) but disappointed me because I
>had a fantasy of using it for occasional printmaking
>on paper. Evidently it could have been ordered, but
>Bailey's didn't give me that option when I placed my
>order and wouldn't or couldn't after it was delivered.
>I like the single control and the fact that I don't
>need pieces to raise the level is good too. As for it
>not going in both directions, I cope with that by
>rolling half the final goal, lifting the slab to the
>other end where I have another table raised to the
>same height as the slab roller table. I turn the slab
>90 degrees to help compression before running it
>through a second time (I always rotate with each roll
>through the slab roller). The perfect slab roller
>would be a reversible Bailey's! Is there such a thing?
>
>Hope this helps, Judy Schaefer
>
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Judy Schaefer on tue 6 may 03
Steve, Where is the anti-reverse catch? To all of you
very generous souls out there, thank you for the many
suggestions, especially for the slab mat. Now I won't
have to lust after that reversible roller and I can
occasionally indulge my printmaking excursions. Thanks
all, Judy
--- Steve Mills
wrote:
> Judy,
> A rubber band will hold up the anti-reverse catch
> and there you go!
>
> Steve
> Bath
> UK
>
>
>
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Cindi Anderson on wed 7 may 03
But obviously they must put it there for a reason? To prevent damage? Some
gears are not designed to go backward. Or are you suggesting that
ocassional use may not damage them?
Cindi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Mills"
> Judy,
> A rubber band will hold up the anti-reverse catch and there you go!
Marvpots@AOL.COM on wed 7 may 03
Hi:
I've used a Bailey driver board slab roller for many years and find it works
very well; IOt has an excellent thickness control (one knob, with indications
against a linear guage), you can run the board in either direction provided
you leave enough room around the slab roller to turn the board around, and
keep an extra layer of canvas inside the canvas on the driver board.
good luck!
Marvin Flowerman
marvpots@aol.com
Steve Mills on thu 8 may 03
Judy,
On the crank end of the Bailey I am familiar with (DRDII), there is a
little gravity operated latch that drops onto a small toothed wheel. A
rubber band defeats gravity. It may not be in the same place on all of
their models, but I'll bet that if it only goes one way, there is one
somewhere on it!
Steve
Bath
UK
In message , Judy Schaefer writes
>Steve, Where is the anti-reverse catch? To all of you
>very generous souls out there, thank you for the many
>suggestions, especially for the slab mat. Now I won't
>have to lust after that reversible roller and I can
>occasionally indulge my printmaking excursions. Thanks
>all, Judy
>
>
>
>
>--- Steve Mills
>wrote:
>> Judy,
>> A rubber band will hold up the anti-reverse catch
>> and there you go!
>>
>> Steve
>> Bath
>> UK
>>
>>
>>
>
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Steve Mills on fri 9 may 03
Cindi,
From the way the gears are set up, reversing won't hurt them. As the
Bailey is the only one I have met so far where the *feeder* table is
lower then the *receiving* one, it seems to me that the anti-reverse is
there to prevent accidental backing up. The whole idea of the lower
feeder table is to facilitate *one pass* slabbing. If on the other hand
you wish to, for example, add different coloured pieces to the surface,
a partial or complete back-up to add stuff would seem easier than
rolling out the whole slab, picking it up and re-feeding to add things
(an occasion where the lower feeder table would be a pain).
Steve
Bath
UK
In message , Cindi Anderson writes
>But obviously they must put it there for a reason? To prevent damage? S=
>ome
>gears are not designed to go backward. Or are you suggesting that
>ocassional use may not damage them?
>
>Cindi
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Mills"
>
>> Judy,
>> A rubber band will hold up the anti-reverse catch and there you go!
--
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Gail Dapogny on sat 10 may 03
I'm really curious about this. We have a Bailey in our guild, and the
instructions state pretty clearly that it should go in only one direction.
It would be nice to be proven wrong, to know for certain that one can go in
both directions.
Specifically, on their website, they say the following:
Reverse Threaded Round Handle
The DRD/II is designed for one way travel only during slab compression. The
machine has a ratchet to prevent reverse handle travel.
The optional Reverse Threaded Handle prevents any mechanical damage to the
machine due to abuse from students who might turn the handle into reverse
with extreme force. Reverse travel will only unscrew the handle. Available
on both machines.
Gail Dapogny in Ann Arbor, Michigan
>Cindi,
>
>>From the way the gears are set up, reversing won't hurt them. As the
>Bailey is the only one I have met so far where the *feeder* table is
>lower then the *receiving* one, it seems to me that the anti-reverse is
>there to prevent accidental backing up. The whole idea of the lower
>feeder table is to facilitate *one pass* slabbing. If on the other hand
>you wish to, for example, add different coloured pieces to the surface,
>a partial or complete back-up to add stuff would seem easier than
>rolling out the whole slab, picking it up and re-feeding to add things
>(an occasion where the lower feeder table would be a pain).
>
>Steve
>Bath
>UK
>
>
>In message , Cindi Anderson writes
>>But obviously they must put it there for a reason? To prevent damage? S=
>>ome
>>gears are not designed to go backward. Or are you suggesting that
>>ocassional use may not damage them?
>>
>>Cindi
Cindi Anderson on mon 12 may 03
And the model you have is a DRDII? I am amazed how many people don't
understand that they have several models. Anyway to put this to rest, I am
going to call them and ask what the deal is. I will let you know.
Cindi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Coniglio"
> Was just slabbing on Saturday. I go in both directions on our Bailey at
my guild.
> [Clay Art Center in Port Chester, NY] Never knew I couldn't or shouldn't.
Had no
> adverse effect on the mechanism.
Joseph Coniglio on mon 12 may 03
Was just slabbing on Saturday. I go in both directions on our Bailey at my guild.
[Clay Art Center in Port Chester, NY] Never knew I couldn't or shouldn't. Had no
adverse effect on the mechanism.
I will take a very peaceful hour or better---to prepare an approx 24x24 slab. I
peel and lift off the canvas. I roll it off like a scroll. Flip the dry piece of
canvas side over, and re roll out the slab and send back through "too and fro" and
then again! I then (also) cut the slab up and over lap the cut pieces and
reassemble it. I get nice strong slabs that do not warp and remain pretty strong.
Gail Dapogny wrote:
> I'm really curious about this. We have a Bailey in our guild, and the
> instructions state pretty clearly that it should go in only one direction.
> It would be nice to be proven wrong, to know for certain that one can go in
> both directions.
> Specifically, on their website, they say the following:
>
> Reverse Threaded Round Handle
> The DRD/II is designed for one way travel only during slab compression. The
> machine has a ratchet to prevent reverse handle travel.
> The optional Reverse Threaded Handle prevents any mechanical damage to the
> machine due to abuse from students who might turn the handle into reverse
> with extreme force. Reverse travel will only unscrew the handle. Available
> on both machines.
>
> Gail Dapogny in Ann Arbor, Michigan
>
> >Cindi,
> >
> >>From the way the gears are set up, reversing won't hurt them. As the
> >Bailey is the only one I have met so far where the *feeder* table is
> >lower then the *receiving* one, it seems to me that the anti-reverse is
> >there to prevent accidental backing up. The whole idea of the lower
> >feeder table is to facilitate *one pass* slabbing. If on the other hand
> >you wish to, for example, add different coloured pieces to the surface,
> >a partial or complete back-up to add stuff would seem easier than
> >rolling out the whole slab, picking it up and re-feeding to add things
> >(an occasion where the lower feeder table would be a pain).
> >
> >Steve
> >Bath
> >UK
> >
> >
> >In message , Cindi Anderson writes
> >>But obviously they must put it there for a reason? To prevent damage? S=
> >>ome
> >>gears are not designed to go backward. Or are you suggesting that
> >>ocassional use may not damage them?
> >>
> >>Cindi
>
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Marcia Selsor on mon 12 may 03
Dear Joseph, Gail, and Cindi,
There are many models of Bailey's Slab rollers. I have a one directional
one.with the lower bed. I also built a cart the same height as the
feeding side of the rollers. I wheel around the slab if I need or want
to do an additional pass.
When I remove the finished slab, I slide a thin piece of plywood
underneath it and canvas and place a piece of newprint paper on top of
the clay and a piece of sheet rock on top of that and flip it over. Then
I peel the canvas away. without disturbing the flat slab.
Marcia Selsor
Joseph Coniglio wrote:
> Was just slabbing on Saturday. I go in both directions on our Bailey at my guild.
> [Clay Art Center in Port Chester, NY] Never knew I couldn't or shouldn't. Had no
> adverse effect on the mechanism.
>SNIP
> Gail Dapogny wrote:
SNIP
>>It would be nice to be proven wrong, to know for certain that one can go in
>>both directions.
>>Specifically, on their website, they say the following:
>>
>>Reverse Threaded Round Handle
>>The DRD/II is designed for one way travel only during slab compression. The
>>machine has a ratchet to prevent reverse handle travel.
>>The optional Reverse Threaded Handle prevents any mechanical damage to the
>>machine due to abuse from students who might turn the handle into reverse
>>with extreme force. Reverse travel will only unscrew the handle. Available
>>on both machines.
>>
>>Gail Dapogny in Ann Arbor, Michigan
>>
>>
>>>Cindi,
>>>
>>>>From the way the gears are set up, reversing won't hurt them. As the
>>>Bailey is the only one I have met so far where the *feeder* table is
>>>lower then the *receiving* one, it seems to me that the anti-reverse is
>>>there to prevent accidental backing up. The whole idea of the lower
>>>feeder table is to facilitate *one pass* slabbing. If on the other hand
>>>you wish to, for example, add different coloured pieces to the surface,
>>>a partial or complete back-up to add stuff would seem easier than
>>>rolling out the whole slab, picking it up and re-feeding to add things
>>>(an occasion where the lower feeder table would be a pain).
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>Bath
>>>UK
>>>
>>>
>>>In message , Cindi Anderson writes
>>>
>>>>But obviously they must put it there for a reason? To prevent damage? S=
>>>>ome
>>>>gears are not designed to go backward. Or are you suggesting that
>>>>ocassional use may not damage them?
>>>>
>>>>Cindi
>>>
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>
>
> --
>
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>
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Steve Mills on tue 13 may 03
Dear Gail,
My only experience is with the DRDII, Bailey's are rare beasts over
here, and when one arrived (ordered by a customer) I had a really good
look at it (I'm a bit of a mechanical nut), found the anti-reverse,
disengaged it and wound the handle backwards and forwards with no ill
effect. The gears are straight cut and in line; unbreakable. I can only
surmise they put in the anti-reverse to ensure their one-pass design
wasn't compromised.
As I know from experience any piece of kit has to be designed with the
lowest common denominator in mind; as sure as eggs are hen fruit some
twit who won't read will try to operate it the wrong way from word go,
and then complain loud and long that it's no good, and as we all know
bad news travels at the speed of light, can be ill informed, and very
damaging.
Steve
Bath
UK
In message , Gail Dapogny writes
>I'm really curious about this. We have a Bailey in our guild, and the
>instructions state pretty clearly that it should go in only one direction=
>=2E
>It would be nice to be proven wrong, to know for certain that one can go =
>in
>both directions.
>Specifically, on their website, they say the following:
>
>Reverse Threaded Round Handle
>The DRD/II is designed for one way travel only during slab compression. T=
>he
>machine has a ratchet to prevent reverse handle travel.
>The optional Reverse Threaded Handle prevents any mechanical damage to th=
>e
>machine due to abuse from students who might turn the handle into reverse
>with extreme force. Reverse travel will only unscrew the handle. Availabl=
>e
>on both machines.
>
>Gail Dapogny in Ann Arbor, Michigan
>
>
>>Cindi,
>>
>>>From the way the gears are set up, reversing won't hurt them. As the
>>Bailey is the only one I have met so far where the *feeder* table is
>>lower then the *receiving* one, it seems to me that the anti-reverse is
>>there to prevent accidental backing up. The whole idea of the lower
>>feeder table is to facilitate *one pass* slabbing. If on the other hand
>>you wish to, for example, add different coloured pieces to the surface,
>>a partial or complete back-up to add stuff would seem easier than
>>rolling out the whole slab, picking it up and re-feeding to add things
>>(an occasion where the lower feeder table would be a pain).
>>
>>Steve
>>Bath
>>UK
>>
>>
>>In message , Cindi Anderson writes
>>>But obviously they must put it there for a reason? To prevent damage? =
> S=3D
>>>ome
>>>gears are not designed to go backward. Or are you suggesting that
>>>ocassional use may not damage them?
>>>
>>>Cindi
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Bath
UK
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