Hendrix, Taylor J. on mon 5 may 03
Howdy:
Sure enough when the chop thread stared up I remembered an aesthetic
question for the list.
Until recently, I was teaching ESL classes to international students
(mostly Asian) wanting to get into Baylor or other American
universities. I have become friends with some of my former students
(now Baylor students--go Bears!). On their visits home they have been
nice enough to bring me back brushes and green leaf tea.
One student that I am fond of is Kaori from Japan. Kaori was actually
brave enough to apply for and be granted a semester abroad studying
Chinese in Beijing. While there, she found some nice brushes for me (I
have tried my hand at Chinese calligraphy, ugh). She's too nice though,
and also brought back for me a jade chop with Lao Xiang (old
elephant--don't ask it's a boring story) as the characters. I love it
very much.
Because Kaori was so thoughtful with this gift, I have always wanted to
make her a pair of very nice, matching rice bowls. I actually have two
on my shelf in my office that I have made for her, but I don't think
they are 'proper' rice bowls. I very much want to make some bowls that
she as a Japanese would enjoy using and taking back to Japan with her.
Something that won't embarrass her when she sets up house on the island.
I need to know from the Japanese and Nipponophiles on this list what a
'proper' rice bowl might look like. How big is just right? What shape
is typical? How should the feet be? Where can I see some great
examples (online--no time to fly to Tokyo)? This is a person for whom
Marsha and I care a great deal, and I would like to repay her great
kindness. Little help?
Thanks=20
Taylor, in Waco
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 6 may 03
Hi Marta,
Makes sense to me...
And...
Even as we admire various of foreign idiom, so others may
admire
ours more than than they would our attempts to emulate
theirs.
Phil
el vee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marta Matray Gloviczki"
> taylor,
>
> it is very thoughtful and kind of you that you want to
give a 'proper'
> japanese ricebowl to your friend.
> your post made me think... and i might be wrong...
> but, my question is: can an american made japanese
ricebowl be superior to
> an american bowl made to perfection by an american
artist???
> if i was your japanese friend, i`d appreciate a gift from
you which is YOU.
> (and i mean here, that you dont want to mimic a japanese
bowl in every
> aspect.) after all, your bowl is going to be an
american-japanese bowl
> anyway...and not a "real" japanese one.
> i`d rather have an original american-taylor-bowl from
you...
> and that can be inspired by a hamada bowl ofcourse---
>
> cheers,
> marta
> in minnesota, where the apple trees are in full bloom!
> http://www.angelfire.com/mn2/marta/
>
>
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muchimi on tue 6 may 03
Hi Taylor,
I'm living in Japan now (lived in Dallas until 6 months ago) and have some
photos of the rice bowls my wife and I have for everyday use. Nothing fancy,
but should give you a good idea of some shapes and sizes, footring, etc...
If you're interested, please mail me off list and I'll send the pics to you
as attachments.
Mike Martino
Taku, Japan
muchimi@potteryofjapan.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Hendrix, Taylor
J.
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:18 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Nice rice bowls for a chop
Howdy:
Sure enough when the chop thread stared up I remembered an aesthetic
question for the list.
Until recently, I was teaching ESL classes to international students
(mostly Asian) wanting to get into Baylor or other American
universities. I have become friends with some of my former students
(now Baylor students--go Bears!). On their visits home they have been
nice enough to bring me back brushes and green leaf tea.
One student that I am fond of is Kaori from Japan. Kaori was actually
brave enough to apply for and be granted a semester abroad studying
Chinese in Beijing. While there, she found some nice brushes for me (I
have tried my hand at Chinese calligraphy, ugh). She's too nice though,
and also brought back for me a jade chop with Lao Xiang (old
elephant--don't ask it's a boring story) as the characters. I love it
very much.
Because Kaori was so thoughtful with this gift, I have always wanted to
make her a pair of very nice, matching rice bowls. I actually have two
on my shelf in my office that I have made for her, but I don't think
they are 'proper' rice bowls. I very much want to make some bowls that
she as a Japanese would enjoy using and taking back to Japan with her.
Something that won't embarrass her when she sets up house on the island.
I need to know from the Japanese and Nipponophiles on this list what a
'proper' rice bowl might look like. How big is just right? What shape
is typical? How should the feet be? Where can I see some great
examples (online--no time to fly to Tokyo)? This is a person for whom
Marsha and I care a great deal, and I would like to repay her great
kindness. Little help?
Thanks
Taylor, in Waco
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Marta Matray Gloviczki on tue 6 may 03
taylor,
it is very thoughtful and kind of you that you want to give a 'proper'
japanese ricebowl to your friend.
your post made me think... and i might be wrong...
but, my question is: can an american made japanese ricebowl be superior to
an american bowl made to perfection by an american artist???
if i was your japanese friend, i`d appreciate a gift from you which is YOU.
(and i mean here, that you dont want to mimic a japanese bowl in every
aspect.) after all, your bowl is going to be an american-japanese bowl
anyway...and not a "real" japanese one.
i`d rather have an original american-taylor-bowl from you...
and that can be inspired by a hamada bowl ofcourse---
cheers,
marta
in minnesota, where the apple trees are in full bloom!
http://www.angelfire.com/mn2/marta/
Jason Truesdell on tue 6 may 03
All vessels have variations in size and shape, but for an average adult, the
rice bowl should be able to hold about 3/4 cup-1 cup of cooked rice without
going above the rim. (Mounds of rice that exceed the height of the rim are
associated with funeral rituals). Typically bowls are filled to about 2/3
full in Japan, whether serving tea or rice. So from an aesthetic standpoint,
if the rice bowl is about 2/3 full with a little under a cup of cooked rice,
you should be ok.
There's still a lot of flexibility because children, women and men may be
served in different bowls of different sizes; also, Japanese will refill the
bowl of rice if they are still hungry.
The shape is generally smooth and rounded inside the bowl and opens out
gradually. Bowls which open and then curve slightly inward at the top may be
used for side dishes, but generally not for rice.
Just use your basic sense of proportionality for trimming the foot. It
should be stable, but except for expert potters who will probably have
differing opinions, there aren't many real rules about the foot size or
shape. Most of the ones I have are
I can post some photos of the ones I have at home (I have about 6 or 7
purchased in Japan that come from Karatsu, Arita, and Mashiko). I'll let you
know when I have them up.
There may be some examples worth looking at on http://www.e-yakimono.net/
In my opinion, Japanese are not as obsessed with having matching sets of
everything as Americans tend to be, so some variations in size and
decoration are actually appreciated, even when the same basic pattern is
used. So you don't need to worry about exact conformity to a platonic ideal
of rice bowl.
If you look at the average household collection of pottery, they've
accumulated a small number of things as sets of 5, and a bunch of different
plates and bowls, over many years, from various places, and not necessarily
of similar color schemes or design patterns. You can see modern, rustic, and
ornate patterns all in the same cabinet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hendrix, Taylor J."
To:
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:18 PM
Subject: Nice rice bowls for a chop
Howdy:
Sure enough when the chop thread stared up I remembered an aesthetic
question for the list.
Until recently, I was teaching ESL classes to international students
(mostly Asian) wanting to get into Baylor or other American
universities. I have become friends with some of my former students
(now Baylor students--go Bears!). On their visits home they have been
nice enough to bring me back brushes and green leaf tea.
One student that I am fond of is Kaori from Japan. Kaori was actually
brave enough to apply for and be granted a semester abroad studying
Chinese in Beijing. While there, she found some nice brushes for me (I
have tried my hand at Chinese calligraphy, ugh). She's too nice though,
and also brought back for me a jade chop with Lao Xiang (old
elephant--don't ask it's a boring story) as the characters. I love it
very much.
Because Kaori was so thoughtful with this gift, I have always wanted to
make her a pair of very nice, matching rice bowls. I actually have two
on my shelf in my office that I have made for her, but I don't think
they are 'proper' rice bowls. I very much want to make some bowls that
she as a Japanese would enjoy using and taking back to Japan with her.
Something that won't embarrass her when she sets up house on the island.
I need to know from the Japanese and Nipponophiles on this list what a
'proper' rice bowl might look like. How big is just right? What shape
is typical? How should the feet be? Where can I see some great
examples (online--no time to fly to Tokyo)? This is a person for whom
Marsha and I care a great deal, and I would like to repay her great
kindness. Little help?
Thanks
Taylor, in Waco
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