claybair on wed 7 may 03
I may be opening up a hornet's nest.... but
I would favor a gallery where all pieces
would be for sale & the buyer would
contact the potter for the transaction.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Belinda Willis
I'm thinking about starting a website dedicated to the potters who are
active on this site but who, for whatever reasons, don't have a personal
website. The basic idea is as follows but I'm certainly open to
suggestions and modifications.
Each participating potter would have a webpage of his or her own on the
site. Each webpage would have, say, 10 small photos of their work that
click to larger copies of the same photos. The number of photos each page
could have would depend on the number of potters participating in the site
and the space available on the site. Obviously we'd try to get as many
photos per potter as possible, it'll depend on how we host the site.
Each webpage would be set up pretty much like all the others. Each page
would have a photo of the potter with whatever text desired plus photos of
his or her work with phone numbers, land addresses and email addresses at
the bottom of each page. If a potter has a personal website, we could link
to if off his page. At this point, there would be no limit on how long
each potter's personal page would be.
Initially each participant would have to chip in to pay for the start-up
costs of securing the domain name and having the site hosted. Currently it
costs $75 to get a domain name for 3 years. An average price for hosting
is about $30 per month. I figure it'd cost around $400 US per year to keep
the site running. Since I'm willing to throw in my labor and time for free
just for the fun of doing it, the more participants, the less it'll cost
per potter. If there are only 15 people involved, it would cost less than
$30 a year each, 25 people equals about $16. After a while, the number of
participants would stabilize and the yearly fee would standardize but it
would never be much.
So, who would be interested? If you have ideas that would make it a better
site, send 'em to me. I'll give it about two weeks for folks who want to
be a part of this to get back to me. Then we'll have an idea of what the
start-up costs will be per participant.
I'll post this same email again next week.
Belinda Willis
howardbelinda@ev1.net
Belinda Willis on wed 7 may 03
I'm thinking about starting a website dedicated to the potters who are
active on this site but who, for whatever reasons, don't have a personal
website. The basic idea is as follows but I'm certainly open to
suggestions and modifications.
Each participating potter would have a webpage of his or her own on the
site. Each webpage would have, say, 10 small photos of their work that
click to larger copies of the same photos. The number of photos each page
could have would depend on the number of potters participating in the site
and the space available on the site. Obviously we'd try to get as many
photos per potter as possible, it'll depend on how we host the site.
Each webpage would be set up pretty much like all the others. Each page
would have a photo of the potter with whatever text desired plus photos of
his or her work with phone numbers, land addresses and email addresses at
the bottom of each page. If a potter has a personal website, we could link
to if off his page. At this point, there would be no limit on how long
each potter's personal page would be.
Initially each participant would have to chip in to pay for the start-up
costs of securing the domain name and having the site hosted. Currently it
costs $75 to get a domain name for 3 years. An average price for hosting
is about $30 per month. I figure it'd cost around $400 US per year to keep
the site running. Since I'm willing to throw in my labor and time for free
just for the fun of doing it, the more participants, the less it'll cost
per potter. If there are only 15 people involved, it would cost less than
$30 a year each, 25 people equals about $16. After a while, the number of
participants would stabilize and the yearly fee would standardize but it
would never be much.
So, who would be interested? If you have ideas that would make it a better
site, send 'em to me. I'll give it about two weeks for folks who want to
be a part of this to get back to me. Then we'll have an idea of what the
start-up costs will be per participant.
I'll post this same email again next week.
Belinda Willis
howardbelinda@ev1.net
L. P. Skeen on thu 8 may 03
Belinda,
Check out www.godaddy.com. You do NOT have to pay $75 to register a domain
name.
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Belinda Willis"
> Initially each participant would have to chip in to pay for the start-up
> costs of securing the domain name and having the site hosted. Currently
it
> costs $75 to get a domain name for 3 years.
Chris Schafale on thu 8 may 03
Sounds like a fine idea, if people are interested and you really want
to do the work involved. Talk to Janet Kaiser about her experience
with SUCAWS (the Strictly Unofficial Clayart Web Site) which has
done much the same, but without the shared costs.
I do think your cost estimates are inflated, though. I pay less than
$20 per year for domain registration, and my webhost charges
about $80 per year for space which would be ample for what you
envision unless hundreds of people decide to participate.
Chris
Date sent: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:00:02 -0400
Send reply to: Clayart
From: Belinda Willis
Subject: Clay Art Potter's website...you interested??
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> I'm thinking about starting a website dedicated to the potters who are
> active on this site but who, for whatever reasons, don't have a personal
> website. The basic idea is as follows but I'm certainly open to
> suggestions and modifications.
>
> Each participating potter would have a webpage of his or her own on the
> site. Each webpage would have, say, 10 small photos of their work that
> click to larger copies of the same photos. The number of photos each page
> could have would depend on the number of potters participating in the site
> and the space available on the site. Obviously we'd try to get as many
> photos per potter as possible, it'll depend on how we host the site.
>
> Each webpage would be set up pretty much like all the others. Each page
> would have a photo of the potter with whatever text desired plus photos of
> his or her work with phone numbers, land addresses and email addresses at
> the bottom of each page. If a potter has a personal website, we could link
> to if off his page. At this point, there would be no limit on how long
> each potter's personal page would be.
>
> Initially each participant would have to chip in to pay for the start-up
> costs of securing the domain name and having the site hosted. Currently it
> costs $75 to get a domain name for 3 years. An average price for hosting
> is about $30 per month. I figure it'd cost around $400 US per year to keep
> the site running. Since I'm willing to throw in my labor and time for free
> just for the fun of doing it, the more participants, the less it'll cost
> per potter. If there are only 15 people involved, it would cost less than
> $30 a year each, 25 people equals about $16. After a while, the number of
> participants would stabilize and the yearly fee would standardize but it
> would never be much.
>
> So, who would be interested? If you have ideas that would make it a better
> site, send 'em to me. I'll give it about two weeks for folks who want to
> be a part of this to get back to me. Then we'll have an idea of what the
> start-up costs will be per participant.
>
> I'll post this same email again next week.
>
> Belinda Willis
> howardbelinda@ev1.net
>
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Liisa Reid on thu 8 may 03
There are cheaper sources out there. One is godaddy for 8.95/ year. No connection
except as a satisfied customer.
> . Currently it costs $75 to get a domain name for 3 years.
Liisa
http://www.laughingbrookpottery.com (still under construction, though it's
operational. will post again when it's more ready)
>
HowardCook/BelindaWillis on thu 8 may 03
>Sounds like a fine idea, if people are interested and you really want
>to do the work involved. Talk to Janet Kaiser about her experience
>with SUCAWS (the Strictly Unofficial Clayart Web Site) which has
>done much the same, but without the shared costs.
>I do think your cost estimates are inflated, though. I pay less than
>$20 per year for domain registration, and my webhost charges
>about $80 per year for space which would be ample for what you
>envision unless hundreds of people decide to participate.
Chris
Thanks for the input, Chris. I just looked at Janet's website and it is
not what I envisioned this one to be. I was thinking of a site where each
entire page would be the promotion of a potter and his or her pottery, not
just one or two pictures of folk's pots, great (and fun!) as those sites
are. This would be like a book of potters on the internet.
Would you mind telling me who hosts your site? I'm getting lots on input
about low cost domain registration that I didn't know about. Heck, if I
can find a way to do this for about $100 a year, I'll do it for free. That
would make it much easier on me also.
Belinda
Belinda Willis on thu 8 may 03
I may be opening up a hornet's nest.... but
I would favor a gallery where all pieces
would be for sale & the buyer would
contact the potter for the transaction.
Gayle Bair
-----------
Gayle,
That's along the line of what I had in mind. Maybe I'm walking blindly
into that hornet's nest you speak of but I don't see where there could be a
problem. The site would display the work of the participating potters and
folks surfing the site could call the potter who (whom?) they want to order
form directly. The site would have no means of accepting money or doing
transactions but would encourage sales of the work being displayed. Plus it
will let us see more of each other's pottery.
I'm being overwhelmed with suggestions for inexpensive domain registration
and site hosts. My initial estimates were way off. Looks like my husband
and I have been paying far more for a business website than we need to. A
big thank you to all who shared info.
I'll be collecting the names and email addresses of those who are
interested while I investigate doing this venture free of charge. Its
looking like it can be done for less than $100 US a year. I'm willing to
fund that just so I can become friends with all the folks who take part.
Belinda
Fabienne Micheline Cassman on thu 8 may 03
There are a few of us who are offering free pages on our site for folks who can't afford it or even those who can as I do. I have countless times extended this offer and have had very few responses.
I have asked around and there are countless reasons why so few considering the number of folks on this list, not their style, no time to write, no pix, etc.
So while I'm on the subject, the offer still stands. Check out my site under Guest Artists. The information to "join" is under Contact Information; get it together and send it. I'm waiting :)
I am also working on a new gaphic look for the site, TBA. Got tired of this one.
Cheers,
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Kenneth Guill on fri 9 may 03
This sounds like a good idea. Especially for those of us who are pretty
isolated or restricted by local government regulations and
restrictions-Germany is really a tough nut to crack if you have not done a
"HandwerksKammer" Guild training course. Contact me off list. Kenn
Janet Kaiser on fri 9 may 03
Isn't http://www.clayart.fsnet.co.uk the sort of thing you mean? SUCAWS or
the "Strictly Unofficial Clay Art Web Site" is for the free use of all
subscribers to this list, including web pages. Nothing fancy you
understand.
You may also like to look at the Clayart pages on Russel Fout's site
http://www.mypots.com "The Potters Portal" includes links to existing
Clayarters' sites.
Chris Shafale is currently posting individual images in gallery pages at:
http://www.lightonecandle.com/clayartgallery.html
All are "free"
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser
*** IN REPLY TO THE FOLLOWING MAIL:
*** From: Belinda Willis
*** E-address: howardbelinda@EV1.NET
*** Sent: 07/05/03 Time: 16:00
>I'm thinking about starting a website dedicated to the potters who are
>active on this site but who, for whatever reasons, don't have a personal
>website. The basic idea is as follows but I'm certainly open to
>suggestions and modifications.
>
>Each participating potter would have a webpage of his or her own on the
>site. Each webpage would have, say, 10 small photos of their work that
>click to larger copies of the same photos. The number of photos each page
>could have would depend on the number of potters participating in the site
>and the space available on the site. Obviously we'd try to get as many
>photos per potter as possible, it'll depend on how we host the site.
>
>Each webpage would be set up pretty much like all the others. Each page
>would have a photo of the potter with whatever text desired plus photos of
>his or her work with phone numbers, land addresses and email addresses at
>the bottom of each page. If a potter has a personal website, we could
link
>to if off his page. At this point, there would be no limit on how long
>each potter's personal page would be.
>
>Initially each participant would have to chip in to pay for the start-up
>costs of securing the domain name and having the site hosted. Currently
it
>costs $75 to get a domain name for 3 years. An average price for hosting
>is about $30 per month. I figure it'd cost around $400 US per year to keep
>the site running. Since I'm willing to throw in my labor and time for free
>just for the fun of doing it, the more participants, the less it'll cost
>per potter. If there are only 15 people involved, it would cost less than
>$30 a year each, 25 people equals about $16. After a while, the number of
>participants would stabilize and the yearly fee would standardize but it
>would never be much.
>
>So, who would be interested? If you have ideas that would make it a
better
>site, send 'em to me. I'll give it about two weeks for folks who want to
>be a part of this to get back to me. Then we'll have an idea of what the
>start-up costs will be per participant.
>
>I'll post this same email again next week.
>
>Belinda Willis
>howardbelinda@ev1.net
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Belinda Willis on sat 10 may 03
I said something in my last post but neglected to include the proper
punctuation, resulting in a sentence that said something vastly different
from what I intended to say. The perils of email.....
I said "Fabienne Cassman's site (http://www.milkywayceramics.com) is mainly
about her and what a great site it is but the ClayArt potters' section is
pretty much buried....."
What I intended to say was "Fabienne Cassman's site
(http://www.milkywayceramics.com) is mainly about her - And what a great
site it is! - but the ClayArt potters' section is pretty much buried...."
My apologies to Fabienne.
Belinda
Belinda Willis on sat 10 may 03
>Isn't http://www.clayart.fsnet.co.uk the sort
>of thing you mean? SUCAWS or the "Strictly
>Unofficial Clay Art Web Site" is for the free
>use of all subscribers to this list, including
>web pages.
Hi, Janet,
I'm going to use your reply to my post as an opportunity to cover a lot of
ground and explain more fully what I have in mind for a website of ClayArt
potters.
Yes, actually the portion of the SUCAWS website (www.clayart.fsnet.co.uk)
devoted to ClayArt potters is almost exactly what I'm talking about.
But...I've looked at the site several times in the past (had to see that
penis plate!) but never realized part of it was devoted to other potters.
I found that portion of the site today only after being told it was there
and searching for it. It's so far down on the first page that I clicked to
something else before seeing it. Then from other pages, I used the links
at the bottom of each page to click to another part of the site. At the
bottom, it only says "Personal" and I thought that referred to personal
info about you, your bio and such. So today I hunted for a page for
ClayArt potters and at first glance, once I got down to #12, I
read "Personal Pages" as "Personal Page" and again thought it was a page
about you. I almost missed the group section again. If I hadn't been
determined to find what I knew was there, I never would have seen it. But,
yes, that is almost exactly what I'm talking about. That site is a lot of
fun and you've done a great job with it but I recommend moving the section
of ClayArters up to #1 on the page of contents and giving the section a
different name.
I tried to look at Russel Fout's website (www.mypots.com) today but got
a "This page cannot be displayed" response. I've seen it before tho - his
pots are great - but don't recall it having a section devoted to the
pottery of others. And besides, if it only has links to other websites,
it's not what I've got in mind.
I LOVE Chris's site (www.lightonecandle.com/clayartgallery.html) but its
not as involved as what I'm thinking about. In fact when I read her first
post about it, my first thought was "Damn! She beat me to it!" but she
didn't. I'm hoping to devote a full page to each potter with several
photos of their work plus info on how to reach each potter in case someone
wants to place an order.
Fabienne Cassman's site (www.milkywayceramics.com) is mainly about her and
what a great site it is but the ClayArt potters' section is pretty much
buried. The selection of participating potters is nice, lots of them, but
hard to get to and I'm thinking of something that is a bit more involved
per potter. And again, I've looked at her site before and never found the
ClayArter section.
Without using the word "ClayArt" in the website name, what I envision is a
site where the homepage talks about the ClayArt community and welcomes the
viewer to meet some of the members of that community and see their
pottery. On the left of the page will be a row of buttons, each one with a
potter's name on it and each button will click to that potter's page. I
hope to have a button with my name on it but the site will not be about
me. Each potter's page will have contact info and a link to individual
websites for those potters that have one. There will be no means of
exchanging money via this site. If someone wants to purchase pottery, they
will have to contact the potter personally.
I've also thought that the potters on the site could interact in ways that
would be fun. Maybe contests between the potters to make a certain clay
item with all the results on one page together. Or having a page devoted
to the participating potters' kiln gods. We could do goofie stuff and have
a page showing the group's results. I think this site could be a great
deal of fun.
But first, it has to be designed and launched and I'm collecting ideas and
suggestions for that now. Tonight will be devoted to researching all the
web host suggestions I've received. Once its up and running with the 15 to
18 potters that are interested already, others can evaluate and decide if
they want to be a part of it or not.
One more thing=85 I gotten so much info about cheap web hosting and cheap or=
free domain registration that I started thinking I might just do this for
free. Then today I started getting responses stating I should not do it
for free. After reading a great big "HAAAA!!!" that started the first such
reply, I immediately saw the wisdom in not doing a totally free
website.......unless I want to graft a keyboard to my fingers and be
permanently attached to the website. How would folks feel about a $10
charge? That would be enough to make it a "commitment" and avoid a flood
of "What the hell, its FREE!" type responses but not enough to keep out
anyone that wants to be involved. What do you think?
Any and all ideas and suggestion are welcome.
Belinda
Russel Fouts on sun 11 may 03
Belinda
I say go for it, what you describe sounds like a good idea.
>> I tried to look at Russel Fout's website (www.mypots.com) today but got a "This page cannot be displayed" response. <<
Yeah, Skynet is getting to be a liability and I'm considering changing
my host. The recent discussion about cheap domain name registration and
hosting has been really usefull. Glad everyone likes GoDaddy. I've been
with them for about 3 years now.
>> I've seen it before tho - his pots are great - but don't recall it having a section devoted to the pottery of others. And besides, if it only has links to other websites, it's not what I've got in mind. <<
The link is on the first page "Guest Pages" but it's by invitation only
(very exclusive ;-). It was never a "Clayarter's" site. The idea behind
it was to give a voice to friends whose work I admired greatly and
didn't, at that time have sites (Marta, Bacia and Mishi), to correct an
injustice (Carla) and to help someone out (the Richard Peeler memorial
site). I would probably add to it if I had time but I don't have time.
Russel
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Fabienne Micheline Cassman on tue 13 may 03
So this is what happens when one is away for a few days. Hm...
Belinda,
I disagree, the guest artist section is not buried; it is on the main level below the home page where my personal page is. I gave the guests equal "click" treatment (ECT) -- I hope I'm not starting a new trend ;)
If one goes to the home page and clicks on the main link "guest artists", the list of guests comes up. It is only one level down and navigation links are on every page, top and bottom, to move around quickly. However, soon I will add to this format by having one image with the name of the person as well on this opening guest artist page to give folks a visual since after all we are in visual arts. Things are evolving.
I decided long ago no to restrict it to people on clayart although the list is why I started it. I knew nothing of clay and was given free help; I wanted to give back the best way I knew how. I believe that Janet, Chris, and Russel, whom you also named, are also doing it in the spirit of the clay community.
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