Eddie Krieger on thu 8 may 03
To those of you that throw standing up: Do you use some sort of back rest or
support so the clay doesn't "buck" you when you are centering? I've tried
throwing standing and had trouble centering because I couldn't get my weight
into the clay like I do when sitting.
I need to make the switch because my lower back is screwed up and hurts every
time I work on the wheel.
Also--what height that works best for you in relation to your waist or belly
button, etc.
Thanks,
Eddie Krieger
Abilene, Tx
John Jensen on thu 8 may 03
I think you have to more or less go by feel when you set the height of
the wheel, but mine is about the height to put my navel at the top of he
wheel. I find that when I need to put some weight into the clay, I just
stand back a few inches and lean into it.
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
mudbug@toadhouse.com , http://www.toadhouse.com
Rikki Gill on thu 8 may 03
If you go to the archives, there is a great article by John Glick about
dealing with Sciatica, in part by throwing standing up. I too throw standing
up, and it is much better for my back. Glick tells you how to stand so your
upper back doesn't overwork. As to centering, if you did it sitting down,
you can easily adapt. My wheel has a frame I can use for forearm stability,
[a Bailey] and you just tighten your arms and throw.
I think the wheel head should be about navel height.
Good luck,
From Rikki in Berkeley
rikigil@cwnet.com
www.berkeleypotters.com
www.goldengateceramics.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eddie Krieger"
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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: Throwing Standing Up-Question
> To those of you that throw standing up: Do you use some sort of back rest
or
> support so the clay doesn't "buck" you when you are centering? I've tried
> throwing standing and had trouble centering because I couldn't get my
weight
> into the clay like I do when sitting.
>
> I need to make the switch because my lower back is screwed up and hurts
every
> time I work on the wheel.
>
> Also--what height that works best for you in relation to your waist or
belly
> button, etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eddie Krieger
> Abilene, Tx
>
>
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Lily Krakowski on thu 8 may 03
Eddie:
Excuse me a minute, I meant to add something to what I wrote yesterday.
Throwing standing up WITH THE PEDAL ON A TABLE has done wonders for my hip
joints (would it did wonders for my hips!) Because it allows me to move
about this way and that, yet throw my hips do not get "frozen" into
position. Sometimes I prop myself a bit on a high stool, and sometimes just
rest one foot on a box.
As to wheel head height--about crotch height. I do bend slightly over the
wheel when centering. When I threw sitting the wheelhead top was a little
below the top of my knees when I was sitting. Sit down. Plant your feet
about 18"apart. Lean your elbows on your knees. Clasp your hands. In my
set up your hands now would rest on your wheel head. I replicate that
height when I set up my wheel for standing.
:
>>
Lili Krakowski
P.O. Box #1
Constableville, N.Y.
(315) 942-5916/ 397-2389
Be of good courage....
POTTERY on fri 9 may 03
This is interesting, most of the responses have been from men, only a couple
from women. I think women have to think about their center of gravity, much
lower, center of abdomen, men's center of gravity in mid chest. The wheel
could be higher for men and still get the same leverage, I would need the
wheel lower, even if I "leaned" into the clay. We recently set a wheel for
standup throwing at our club(we are all seniors). It is about navel height
for me (5'3"), I am unable to center anything above 4#. I feel if the wheel
head was slightly lower, even and inch or two it would be easier.
Sandy Cryer
From: "Lily Krakowski"
>
> As to wheel head height--about crotch height. I do bend slightly over the
> wheel when centering. When I threw sitting the wheelhead top was a little
> below the top of my knees when I was sitting. Sit down. Plant your feet
> about 18"apart. Lean your elbows on your knees. Clasp your hands. In my
> set up your hands now would rest on your wheel head. I replicate that
> height when I set up my wheel for standing.
Lily Krakowski on fri 9 may 03
Build yourself a little platform. Take some pieces of 2"x 6" --three is
good--and attach them to two cross pieces of 2"x 6" All pieces should be
18"long. Because 6" boards are NOT 6" wide, you will have a bit of space
between the boards, which is good, makes platform easier. I have found that
such platforms allow me (5'3" or so) to wedge at communal tables, and to
stack my kiln without balancing myself on my front...
POTTERY writes:
It is about navel height
> for me (5'3"), I am unable to center anything above 4#. I feel if the wheel
> head was slightly lower, even and inch or two it would be easier.
Lili Krakowski
P.O. Box #1
Constableville, N.Y.
(315) 942-5916/ 397-2389
Be of good courage....
Bruce Freund on fri 9 may 03
I had and still have a bad lower back. When I threw on a standard wheel a
Brent CXC for example all type of horrible back issues would arise. Ache in
the back, stiffness and what I found to be the worst, numbness in my legs.
NOTE: I only mentioned Brent but they are all the same,in fact I love the
Brents.
I was told to use a Randall kick/electric as even standing for me was
uncomfortable. I went out and purchased a Randall not really even knowing
why this would be that much better. I threw on it for about 2 weeks and my
back problem and of all the above went away.
After thinking about this I concluded that the reason is that I am sitting
almost erect from my waist up and remain that way pretty much the whole
time. I think the second is that my legs are reasonably straight. I am going
to say at approximately 20 degrees from straight. Also, a tremendous amount
of my total body is down on my feet. At a standard wheel your weight is
really loaded into your lower back which is all bent over and twisted to the
side.
bruce
Dannon Rhudy on fri 9 may 03
......> This is interesting, most of the responses have been from men, only
a couple
> from women> ......
I know a number of women who throw standing. I certainly
do. I didn't respond to the post because it has come up several
times before, there are reams about it in the archives.
Throwing from a standing position is much more comfortable,
and certainly more efficient. For me. I have my wheel lifted
off the floor on concrete blocks, the wheelhead is about level
with my navel. I center by pulling rather than pushing, and
I don't lean on anything except the wheel itself
on occasion (it's a Bailey). I also have an Axner, but it is floor
height, because when I throw something really tall it is easier for
me to start low and pull UP than to start at waist and PUSH up.
But most of my work is done standing, saves a lot of time and
effort. Put a ware cart next to me, fill it up, shove it aside, etc.
My pedal is on the floor, I find no difficulty in adjusting as I go.
I do find that I tend to "set" a speed and stay with it more when
I stand, and to fuss less with wheel speed.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Marvpots@AOL.COM on fri 9 may 03
I have my wheel on a stand about 14 inches off the floor; I just lean
forward slightly to bring body weight onto the clay while centering; I also
have a bycicle seat type tripod that I can sit on at a height comfortable to
the wheel when standing seems inapropriate; no back support.
With a little practice I'm sure you'll find what works best for you.
Good luck!
Marvin Flowerman
marvpots@aol.com
Tommy Humphries on wed 14 may 03
To add just a touch to your post...
If you like to set your speed when throwing, and hate
to re-adjust the pedal after every pot, go to the
electrical supply house and get yourself an on/off
foot switch. Several styles are available, some will
click on, click off, and others can be wired to only
be on, or off, while the switch is depressed. This
can add significantly to production speed in a
production shop...where it seems every second
producing pots is priceless.
Tommy Humphries
--- Dannon Rhudy wrote:
> I do find that I tend to "set" a speed and stay with
> it more when
> I stand, and to fuss less with wheel speed.
>
> regards
>
> Dannon Rhudy
>
>
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