Sam or Mary Yancy on mon 12 may 03
I have a basic concern with using used motor (engine oil) to fire a kiln. I don't believe that they are the same as oils used in cooking. Does anybody have any info on the toxicisiticy of used motor oil, and what effects on the pottery in the kiln as to their toxic issues when using used motor (car or diesel engine) as the fuel. I think most of the oils are contaminated and/or duleted with many chemicals and "metallic substances". Else why do you change your oil as the oil filter removes the particles - just change the filter. Seems like even if you burn it, you would have some toxic residue. In fact, I really don't know what is done with the used oil except it is "recycled". As a one time drag racer, we changed oil each 1/4 mile run on the funnycar we owned as the exotic fuels we ran, such as nitromenthane, propaline oxide and hydrozene would turn oil from amber/clear to a solid green color in only one run. and the oil would be very different texture. Multiply that by the many millions of gallons of used motor (engine) oil mixedt with many other liquids and "recycled" each day. What effect in burning in a kiln and the transfer of these toxics to the pottery could be a jhealth
issue? I think (but don't know) burning used cooking oil would be ok but not motor (engine) oil. Comments please? Any experts our there?? . Sam in Daly City
Marcia Selsor on tue 13 may 03
I can't say what's in the motor oil but I have seen the metallic bits
filtered out using charcoal briquettes in a coffee can in an elaborate
drip system. This was years and years (3 decades) ago.
Marcia
Sam or Mary Yancy wrote:
> I have a basic concern with using used motor (engine oil) to fire a kiln. I don't believe that they are the same as oils used in cooking. Does anybody have any info on the toxicisiticy of used motor oil, and what effects on the pottery in the kiln as to their toxic issues when using used motor (car or diesel engine) as the fuel. I think most of the oils are contaminated and/or duleted with many chemicals and "metallic substances". Else why do you change your oil as the oil filter removes the particles - just change the filter. Seems like even if you burn it, you would have some toxic residue. In fact, I really don't know what is done with the used oil except it is "recycled". As a one time drag racer, we changed oil each 1/4 mile run on the funnycar we owned as the exotic fuels we ran, such as nitromenthane, propaline oxide and hydrozene would turn oil from amber/clear to a solid green color in only one run. and the oil would be very different texture. Multiply that by th
e many mil
> lions of gallons of used motor (engine) oil mixedt with many other liquids and "recycled" each day. What effect in burning in a kiln and the transfer of these toxics to the pottery could be a jhealth
> issue? I think (but don't know) burning used cooking oil would be ok but not motor (engine) oil. Comments please? Any experts our there?? . Sam in Daly City
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Ababi on tue 13 may 03
Don't use it you will kill yourself!
I believe the damage I have from two or three such firing led have me to not be able
to fire raku anymore. I felt I almost died if I would go on! There are many poisonous
materials in this black liquid!
Ababi
---------- Original Message ----------
>I have a basic concern with using used motor (engine oil) to fire a kiln. I don't believe
>that they are the same as oils used in cooking. Does anybody have any info on the
>toxicisiticy of used motor oil, and what effects on the pottery in the kiln as to
>their toxic issues when using used motor (car or diesel engine) as the fuel. I think
>most of the oils are contaminated and/or duleted with many chemicals and "metallic
>substances". Else why do you change your oil as the oil filter removes the particles
>- just change the filter. Seems like even if you burn it, you would have some toxic
>residue. In fact, I really don't know what is done with the used oil except it is
>"recycled". As a one time drag racer, we changed oil each 1/4 mile run on the
>funnycar w
>e owned as the exotic fuels we ran, such as nitromenthane, propaline oxide and
>hydrozene would turn oil from amber/clear to a solid green color in only one run. and
>the oil would be very different texture. Multiply that by the m!
>any mil
>lions of gallons of used motor (engine) oil mixedt with many other liquids and
>"recycled" each day. What effect in burning in a kiln and the transfer of these toxics
to
>the pottery could be a jhealth
>issue? I think (but don't know) burning used cooking oil would be ok but not motor
>(engine) oil. Comments please? Any experts our there?? . Sam in Daly City
Earl Brunner on wed 14 may 03
Isn't Dennis Parks the specialist in this area? If
I'm not mistaken they have used recycled motor oil to
fire kilns at Tuscoroa (sp) in Northern Nevada for
years. Veggie oil probably wouldn't have all of the
possibl contaminants that the motor oil would. But I
think he's used motor oil for years.
--- Marcia Selsor wrote:
> I can't say what's in the motor oil but I have seen
> the metallic bits
> filtered out using charcoal briquettes in a coffee
> can in an elaborate
> drip system. This was years and years (3 decades)
> ago.
> Marcia
>
> Sam or Mary Yancy wrote:
> > I have a basic concern with using used motor
> (engine oil) to fire a kiln. I don't believe that
> they are the same as oils used in cooking. Does
> anybody have any info on the toxicisiticy of used
> motor oil, and what effects on the pottery in the
> kiln as to their toxic issues when using used motor
> (car or diesel engine) as the fuel. I think most of
> the oils are contaminated and/or duleted with many
> chemicals and "metallic substances". Else why do you
> change your oil as the oil filter removes the
> particles - just change the filter. Seems like even
> if you burn it, you would have some toxic residue.
> In fact, I really don't know what is done with the
> used oil except it is "recycled". As a one time drag
> racer, we changed oil each 1/4 mile run on the
> funnycar we owned as the exotic fuels we ran, such
> as nitromenthane, propaline oxide and hydrozene
> would turn oil from amber/clear to a solid green
> color in only one run. and the oil would be very
> different texture. Multiply that by th
> e many mil
> > lions of gallons of used motor (engine) oil
> mixedt with many other liquids and "recycled" each
> day. What effect in burning in a kiln and the
> transfer of these toxics to the pottery could be a
> jhealth
> > issue? I think (but don't know) burning used
> cooking oil would be ok but not motor (engine) oil.
> Comments please? Any experts our there?? . Sam in
> Daly City
> >
> >
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Marcia Selsor on wed 14 may 03
yes Earl,
Dennis wrote a bit about used motor oil in the same issue of 1973
Studio potter in which I wrote about household oil burners converted to
kiln burners (Nils was in there too)
But I think Dennis has been gathering used veggie oil from fast food
places in Elko for many years now.
Marcia
Earl Brunner wrote:
> Isn't Dennis Parks the specialist in this area? If
> I'm not mistaken they have used recycled motor oil to
> fire kilns at Tuscoroa (sp) in Northern Nevada for
> years. Veggie oil probably wouldn't have all of the
> possibl contaminants that the motor oil would. But I
> think he's used motor oil for years.
>
> --- Marcia Selsor wrote:
>
>>I can't say what's in the motor oil but I have seen
>>the metallic bits
>>filtered out using charcoal briquettes in a coffee
>>can in an elaborate
>>drip system. This was years and years (3 decades)
>>ago.
>>Marcia
>>
>>Sam or Mary Yancy wrote:
>>
>>>I have a basic concern with using used motor
>>
>>(engine oil) to fire a kiln. I don't believe that
>>they are the same as oils used in cooking. Does
>>anybody have any info on the toxicisiticy of used
>>motor oil, and what effects on the pottery in the
>>kiln as to their toxic issues when using used motor
>>(car or diesel engine) as the fuel. I think most of
>>the oils are contaminated and/or duleted with many
>>chemicals and "metallic substances". Else why do you
>>change your oil as the oil filter removes the
>>particles - just change the filter. Seems like even
>>if you burn it, you would have some toxic residue.
>>In fact, I really don't know what is done with the
>>used oil except it is "recycled". As a one time drag
>>racer, we changed oil each 1/4 mile run on the
>>funnycar we owned as the exotic fuels we ran, such
>>as nitromenthane, propaline oxide and hydrozene
>>would turn oil from amber/clear to a solid green
>>color in only one run. and the oil would be very
>>different texture. Multiply that by th
>>e many mil
>>
>>>lions of gallons of used motor (engine) oil
>>
>>mixedt with many other liquids and "recycled" each
>>day. What effect in burning in a kiln and the
>>transfer of these toxics to the pottery could be a
>>jhealth
>>
>>>issue? I think (but don't know) burning used
>>
>>cooking oil would be ok but not motor (engine) oil.
>>Comments please? Any experts our there?? . Sam in
>>Daly City
>>
>>>
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>>http://home.attbi.com/~m.selsor/Tuscany2003.html
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Ron Roy on fri 16 may 03
I strongly advise against using old motor oil - there are many toxins
present - used to be lead was the problem in gas - which would contaminate
the oil - now it's manganese for one thing. If you don't know what
manganese does to you - well find out.
Listen to what Abbai said - run away.
RR
>I can't say what's in the motor oil but I have seen the metallic bits
>filtered out using charcoal briquettes in a coffee can in an elaborate
>drip system. This was years and years (3 decades) ago.
>Marcia
>
>Sam or Mary Yancy wrote:
Ron Roy
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on fri 16 may 03
Ohhhhh...
You know, if you have the patience simply to let it 'sit' a
while...the vast prepondernce of contaminants will settle
out...
It is easy to do, and takes a lot less energy than all this
worry and fretting and nervousness...many people used to do
this to re-use Oils.
Step one: Get used Oil...
Step two: Let it set undisturbed so the suspended particles
may settle to the bottom...
Step three: Decant or carefully syphon the relatively
'clear' Oil as is NOT on the 'bottom' (where everything is
as has settled out...)
Step four: Use it as you see fit...
How long ought it 'settle'? I do not know...long enough TO
do so I'd guess, so, plan ahead...maybe adding some Paint
Thinner or similar would speed it up...or adding some
Diesel...experiment, try it for yourself, see what you find
out by doing it...
Once it HAS settled, the topmost lightest 'layer' could be
used to 'thin' the next batch...
Not hard to do...
Phil
el vee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Des & Jan Howard"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: motor oils toxic?
> All right you guys!
> Where are the FACTS on used motor oil nasties?
> Not just "maybes" & hearsay.
> Our EPA is not happy about the burning of sump oil but
prefers it to the dumping.
> Des
>
> Ron Roy wrote:
>
> > I strongly advise against using old motor oil - there
are many toxins
> > present - used to be lead was the problem in gas - which
would contaminate
> > the oil - now it's manganese for one thing. If you don't
know what
> > manganese does to you - well find out.
> >
> > Listen to what Abbai said - run away.
>
> iandol wrote:
>
> > They also wash the cylinders and collect unburnt fuel,
carbon, additive residues and bye products
> > of burning fuel and also the oil. One of the materials
put in to act as a detergent is Lithium
> > Stearate. This can have a beautiful effect on the bricks
of the Bag Wall of a kiln in which Sump
> > Oil is used. If it is old oil it will also have Lead as
a residue and the new LRP stuff has
> > Manganese in it or so we have been told.
> > So there are three potential "goodies" to ponder on.
>
> --
>
> Des & Jan Howard
> Lue Pottery
> LUE NSW 2850
> Australia
> Ph/Fax 02 6373 6419
> http://www.luepottery.hwy.com.au
>
>
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Dave Finkelnburg on fri 16 may 03
Des,
Common sense says the bearing material of internal comubstion engines
will contaminate sump oil. There are also additives. This is one source, 6
years old, I found in the US. Referring to used motor oil it says, "Metals
of concern include lead; and often to a lesser degree zinc, chromium, barium
and arsenic." These are at ppm levels.
http://www.nature.nps.gov/toxic/oilused.pdf
Regards,
Dave Finkelnburg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Des & Jan Howard"
Subject: Re: motor oils toxic?
> All right you guys!
> Where are the FACTS on used motor oil nasties?
> Not just "maybes" & hearsay.
> Our EPA is not happy about the burning of sump oil but prefers it to the
dumping.
> Des
Des & Jan Howard on sat 17 may 03
All right you guys!
Where are the FACTS on used motor oil nasties?
Not just "maybes" & hearsay.
Our EPA is not happy about the burning of sump oil but prefers it to the dumping.
Des
Ron Roy wrote:
> I strongly advise against using old motor oil - there are many toxins
> present - used to be lead was the problem in gas - which would contaminate
> the oil - now it's manganese for one thing. If you don't know what
> manganese does to you - well find out.
>
> Listen to what Abbai said - run away.
iandol wrote:
> They also wash the cylinders and collect unburnt fuel, carbon, additive residues and bye products
> of burning fuel and also the oil. One of the materials put in to act as a detergent is Lithium
> Stearate. This can have a beautiful effect on the bricks of the Bag Wall of a kiln in which Sump
> Oil is used. If it is old oil it will also have Lead as a residue and the new LRP stuff has
> Manganese in it or so we have been told.
> So there are three potential "goodies" to ponder on.
--
Des & Jan Howard
Lue Pottery
LUE NSW 2850
Australia
Ph/Fax 02 6373 6419
http://www.luepottery.hwy.com.au
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