Sam or Mary Yancy on sat 31 may 03
what say - should we all forward them to the FBI?. would that do any good?
Jennifer Buckner wrote:At 12:17 PM 5/31/2003, Lily wrote:
>I get these messages too, whose naivete overwhelms me. Does ANYONE ANYWHERE
>really think that there are people bright and literate enough to use the
>Internet who would send them their bank numbers point blank?
Yes, Lily, I'm afraid there are, and they're related to the people who
withdraw their funds from the bank when asked to by some fake bank officer
who is pretending to "test" the system. Also kin to people who invest
their life's savings with phoney fund managers. Just think of all the
panicky virus warnings you get from naive e-friends.
Jennifer
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mel jacobson on sat 31 may 03
i realize we are not suppose to use the
word african (pc)...but the posts that i get
at the rate of 20 a day are all from africa.
i cannot call them australian scams, for
they are from africa.
anyway, it is obvious that these folks
are buying lists and sending them out by
the millions.
everyone knows it is a scam, so the
only one's being scammed are the one's
buying the lists. so, the scammers are
getting scammed. the way of the world.
i am not so mad now, when i open my
mail and see ten letters from bogo umbaga,
the brother of the minister of finance of
togomanga, and will i send my bank numbers
to him.
now i just smile and say `they got you bogo.`
mel
a message from the farm at hay creek
Lily Krakowski on sat 31 may 03
I get these messages too, whose naivete overwhelms me. Does ANYONE ANYWHERE
really think that there are people bright and literate enough to use the
Internet who would send them their bank numbers point blank?
Are these people related somehow to those who send me messages offering to
enhance body parts I do not even have? And those who offer me Valium?
I just get this image of some schnook who writes YES BY ALL MEANS to these
sites and is "agrandized", tranquilized and broke....
mel jacobson writes:
> the millions.
>
> everyone knows it is a scam, so the
> only one's being scammed are the one's
> buying the lists. so, the scammers are
> getting scammed. the way of the world.
>> now i just smile and say `they got you bogo.`
> mel
> a message from the farm at hay creek
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
Lili Krakowski
P.O. Box #1
Constableville, N.Y.
(315) 942-5916/ 397-2389
Be of good courage....
John Rodgers on sat 31 may 03
Funny how these things work.
Probably sometime, somewhere, somehow, someone in the local community
managed to come up with the idea "I wonder if some dummy will just give
me money if I ask - if I make the story sound good?" and he/she tried
it. And Lo!!! it worked!! Money came!! ONCE!! Of course the word got
around and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, so now the scam has spread
all over, all are convinced it works, never realizing that few ever go
back once bitten and the word spreads on the other side ..... watch out
for the scammers. So around and around and around it goes. "Those guys
in the next village over did so-and-so and it worked, so why not us??"
It becomes a self-driven falacy based on hearsay!!" Seemingly never ending.
My $0.02
John Rodgers
Birmingham, AL
mel jacobson wrote:
> i realize we are not suppose to use the
> word african (pc)...but the posts that i get
> at the rate of 20 a day are all from africa.
> i cannot call them australian scams, for
> they are from africa.
>
> anyway, it is obvious that these folks
> are buying lists and sending them out by
> the millions.
>
> everyone knows it is a scam, so the
> only one's being scammed are the one's
> buying the lists. so, the scammers are
> getting scammed. the way of the world.
> i am not so mad now, when i open my
> mail and see ten letters from bogo umbaga,
> the brother of the minister of finance of
> togomanga, and will i send my bank numbers
> to him.
> now i just smile and say `they got you bogo.`
> mel
> a message from the farm at hay creek
>
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PurpleLama@AOL.COM on sat 31 may 03
I think the senders are looking for the right combination of vanity, greed,
and naivete. They appeal to vanity by writing something to the effect that we
have been told that you can be trusted, etc. Greed: you will get 25% (or
whatever) of many millions of dollars. Naivete: I'll let you use your imagination.
A story about naivete, not greed or vanity.
Fifteen or twenty years ago an acquaintance of mine encountered a guy at a
local shopping area back east where I lived at the time. He told her a sob story
- just got off the plane from an African country - his money was stolen from
him by the taxi cab driver, etc. He needed her to help him - hold some money
he had (hidden when the taxi cab driver stole his money) while he went back to
the airport where he had stored more money in a locker. She suggested that he
report the incident to a policeman, but he said that he from a country where
policemen persecuted folks, so he didn't trust them. He asked that she give him
her wedding ring (an antique - had been her grandmother's) and he would put
it with the bundle of money that he wanted her to hold for him. She felt sorry
for the guy and wanted to help him, so she gave him her ring. Of course, you
know the end of the story. He never came back. After waiting an hour or so for
him, she opened up the package she was holding only to find paper. She gave
the police a description and called pawn shops. The ring was never found. Was
she naive or just too trusting?
Shula
in sunny Redondo Beach, CA
Jennifer Buckner on sat 31 may 03
At 12:17 PM 5/31/2003, Lily wrote:
>I get these messages too, whose naivete overwhelms me. Does ANYONE ANYWHERE
>really think that there are people bright and literate enough to use the
>Internet who would send them their bank numbers point blank?
Yes, Lily, I'm afraid there are, and they're related to the people who
withdraw their funds from the bank when asked to by some fake bank officer
who is pretending to "test" the system. Also kin to people who invest
their life's savings with phoney fund managers. Just think of all the
panicky virus warnings you get from naive e-friends.
Jennifer
Jennifer G. Buckner jenniverre@earthlink.net
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sat 31 may 03
Hi Lily! et al...
Or...
If one wishes to be playful...
One ought only supply those 'bank numbers' (which really,
are not that hard to obtain) as pertain to
individuals or businesses for whom one wishes
unusual favour.
In that way too, two good deeds may be done in one small
gesture - to both help an impoverished Nigerian or other,
and to so help some individual or business or city
department personel or their contractors, (that one knows
from experience, really like to 'help' others, especially
annonymously,) by giving
them the chance to do so.
While in keeping with how discretion is said to be the
better part
of valour, this favour also makes for a handy moral
satisfaction as well, for them especially, and, with no
inconvenience to one's
self.
Or...
Or...it is just fun to 'play' sometimes...to BE
'playful'...and, as Mr. A. Einstein had once admonished,
"Play...IS the foundation of all good Science...and good
deeds..." ( or
something to that effect...or maybe I just made that up...)
And, or but...is the 'foundation' of a lot else, too I
think...
No?
Phil
el vee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lily Krakowski"
> I get these messages too, whose naivete overwhelms me.
Does ANYONE ANYWHERE
> really think that there are people bright and literate
enough to use the
> Internet who would send them their bank numbers point
blank?
Earl Brunner on sat 31 may 03
Generally, if you have been on the internet for awhile, you get a feel
for what is legitimate and what is not. The people that are MOST likely
to be suckered are the ones that haven't been around; people relatively
new to the internet. I mean after 600+ of those messages, sometimes
more than 10 per day, why would I suddenly believe them. Why would them
changing the names or circumstances slightly cause me to suddenly
BELIEVE one of those stories? But they aren't taking the time to check
the email addresses, they don't care, they send thousands, hundreds of
thousands of them out and are only looking for the occasional sucker.
Send one or send 100,000 doesn't cost them much different.
The one that ALMOST got me was the "Ebay- update your info" scam. I
realized as I started to reply that I had NEVER given them that kind of
information, and secondly, if I had to- forget it.
I think some people are sucked in by the idea of doing something
slightly shady and maybe getting away with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Buckner
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 12:07 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: african scam/story
At 12:17 PM 5/31/2003, Lily wrote:
>I get these messages too, whose naivete overwhelms me. Does ANYONE
ANYWHERE
>really think that there are people bright and literate enough to use
the
>Internet who would send them their bank numbers point blank?
Yes, Lily, I'm afraid there are, and they're related to the people who
withdraw their funds from the bank when asked to by some fake bank
officer
who is pretending to "test" the system. Also kin to people who invest
their life's savings with phoney fund managers. Just think of all the
panicky virus warnings you get from naive e-friends.
Jennifer
Lois Ruben Aronow on sat 31 may 03
On Sat, 31 May 2003 08:40:40 -0500, you wrote:
>i realize we are not suppose to use the
>word african (pc)...but the posts that i get
>at the rate of 20 a day are all from africa.
>i cannot call them australian scams, for
>they are from africa.
I didn't realize we were not supposed to mention the continent of
africa in our quest for political correctness.
I think there is some legal loophole in Nigeria that keeps them from
avoiding prosecution, or so I recently read.
************
www.loisaronow.com
=46ine Craft Porcelain and Pottery
***************************************
Lois Ruben Aronow
Modern Porcelain and Tableware
http://www.loisaronow.com=20
Lois Ruben Aronow on sat 31 may 03
There is actually a twist on the scam that people should know about.
An antiques dealer friend recently became caught up in it, but he
sensed a problem and fortunately didn't lose any money. =20
The people behind the scam contacted him to try to purchase a large
number of goods. They told him they would send him a cashiers check
and he could send the goods after he received an deposited the check.
He said OK. He received the check, which was several thousand dollars
larger than the price of the goods. The Nigerian (did I mention it
was from Nigeria?) told him their bank made a mistake, and my friend
could send the balance of the money along with the goods. The check
was made out from an american account.
At the bank, said friend asked the teller how long the check would
take to clear. The teller told him he could have the money
immediately, as that is the policy with cashiers checks. Fortunately,
show also told him if the issuing bank didn't clear the check, he
would be responsible for the money. friend became suspicious. Bank
manager called issuing bank. Sure enough, check was fraudulent. =20
Thankfully, my friend was spared the loss of consigned work AND
thousands of dollars. The Nigerian was apologetic and swore it was a
mistake, after which he was never heard from again.
True story.
************
www.loisaronow.com
=46ine Craft Porcelain and Pottery
***************************************
Lois Ruben Aronow
Modern Porcelain and Tableware
http://www.loisaronow.com=20
Anita Rickenberg on sat 31 may 03
This particular fraud is referred to as "4-1-9" after the section of the
Nigerian penal code that addresses fraud schemes. Although it may seem hard
to believe, it's reported that up to 100 million dollars are swindled
annually. Some have apparently actually flown to Nigeria and been harmed or
kidnapped. For more info
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blnigeria.htm
This site also had a link to the Secret Service page with additional
information. Bottom line to remember--if it seems too good to be true, it
probably is!.
Anita
Culling on sun 1 jun 03
I and my teens get a giggle out of the pills to enlarge manly body parts:)
WHAT do you do with them? Where do they go?? The mind boggles! Good to get a
laugh instead of getting annoyed at the incessant barrage of them!
Steph
cool enough to get out the jeans at long last but the jumpers are still
packed away!
"Lily Krakowski"wrote
> I get these messages too, >
> Are these people related somehow to those who send me messages offering to
> enhance body parts I do not even have?
Kathi LeSueur on mon 2 jun 03
jenniverre@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
> At 12:17 PM 5/31/2003, Lily wrote:
>
>> I get these messages too, whose naivete overwhelms me. Does ANYONE
>> ANYWHERE
>> really think that there are people bright and literate enough to use the
>> Internet who would send them their bank numbers point blank?
>
>
>
Yes, here in Ann Arbor, a secretary at a law firm embezzled thousands of
dollars from the firm. She figured that she would replace the money she
embezzled after the african ambassador had gotten his millions out and
rewarded her. You would think that SHE would have known better. The
request for "assistance" came to her by e-mail at the firm.
Kathi
Steve Mills on wed 4 jun 03
Many MANY years ago someone put a small advert in a London (UK) evening
paper which read:
*This is your last chance to send 2/6 to P.O.Box....*.
2/6 was in (very) old money 1/8th of a Pound Sterling and was a single
coin called a Half-Crown. They made a lot of money; SO many people stuck
one in an envelope and sent it off!
Was it Damon Runyan who said: *Never give a sucker an even break*
These *African* Scammers must make a good living.
Steve
Bath
UK
In message , John Rodgers writes
>Funny how these things work.
>
>Probably sometime, somewhere, somehow, someone in the local community
>managed to come up with the idea "I wonder if some dummy will just give
>me money if I ask - if I make the story sound good?" and he/she tried
>it. And Lo!!! it worked!! Money came!! ONCE!! Of course the word got
>around and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, so now the scam has spread
>all over, all are convinced it works, never realizing that few ever go
>back once bitten and the word spreads on the other side ..... watch out
>for the scammers. So around and around and around it goes. "Those guys
>in the next village over did so-and-so and it worked, so why not us??"
>It becomes a self-driven falacy based on hearsay!!" Seemingly never endin=
>g.
>
>
>My $0.02
>
>John Rodgers
>Birmingham, AL
>
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
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