julie milazzo on tue 10 jun 03
Hey everyone,
I seem to be having a personality blip, and am wanting to paint my entire house various shades of tangerine, raspberry, lime, etc. Since this may be only a phase, and I may want my earth-toned house back, I'm trying it out first on my pots. I fire porcelain to cone 10, mostly oxidation right now. I bought a few mason stains, and want to put them in my glossy opaque white, but have no idea what percentages to use. Can you tell by the color that the glaze turns when it's mixed?
I thought that I'd probably do a gram per cup, put it on one thing, and add another gram, apply it to another, etc. until it looks pretty saturated, but the stains are expensive enough that I don't want to waste batches of it. If anyone has a range that works for deep color (I really want COLOR), I'd love it if you could let me know, and just get a better idea.
I thank you, and so does my house! Jules
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Lois Ruben Aronow on wed 11 jun 03
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:18:19 -0700, you wrote:
> Sounds like a plan. I got a few of the encapsulated mason stains =
(the tangerine and a red one), and a friend of mine has a chart that I =
can look at. I really want saturated color, so I'll probably start with =
10% if I can't find it on the chart. Thanks! I was planning on starting =
super low, but I think you just saved me a bit of time.
> I'll keep you all posted! Jules
>
I think there is no chart for the Cerdec or the Spectrum stains. For
Mason, your ceramic supplier can easily get you one. They might
charge a couple of bucks for it, and it's worth it.
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Lois Ruben Aronow on wed 11 jun 03
Test test test!
A lot of them lose color up to cone 10. =20
The Mason stain chart indicates what percentage you need to use to get
the color shown. Usually it's 10%. The chart also notes if you must
have zinc present in your glaze to get the color shown. Different
stains have different chemistry, so they may also affect your glaze
base. Their chemistry is indicated on the chart.
You can use less or more - I use anywhere from 3% to 20%, depending on
the glaze base and the color/shade I am trying to achieve. Mason
stains can be mixed together for different shades, too. 5% of this,
3% of that....
Also bear in mind that there are Cerdec/Degussa stains and Spectrum
stains. Try those out too. =20
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Catherine White on wed 11 jun 03
Julie,
About a year ago a ClayArter who uses stains on ^10 oxidation ware
offered to send pix via email if I'd like. I still have the photo of her
cereal bowls done in brilliant Cerdac red, orange, lime, and oxblood stains
and a couple of Mason stain ones. She used 10% in a clear glaze- said
anything less was sorta washed out. Stains can surely get costly! Would you
like me to forward a copy of the email photo to you?
I had purchased the Cerdac sampler with four (1oz) packets and intend
trying them in the next couple days. Mason stains have done well for me at
10% in both slips and glazes including the Coleman Desert Sand which is
ultra matte.
The stains give an idea of the color when mixed in glaze.... lavender,
lime, yellow, pink, etc, but not at all what you'll get when fired. Also,
you might try food coloring in regular glazes for color reference when using
them.
Catherine in Yuma, AZ
Forget the losses; exaggerate the wins.
Remember: forget. Remember: forget.
(T. Jefferson Parker)
----- snip-----
I fire porcelain to cone 10, mostly oxidation right now. I bought a few
mason stains, and want to put them in my glossy opaque white, but have no
idea what percentages to use. Can you tell by the color that the glaze turns
when it's mixed?
Jules
Ellie Blair on wed 11 jun 03
What is about reds. I haven't gotten a red to hold up to cone 10?
Ellie
----- Original Message -----
From: Lois Ruben Aronow
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:08 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: how about some parameters for mason stains?
Test test test!
A lot of them lose color up to cone 10. =20
The Mason stain chart indicates what percentage you need to use to get
the color shown. Usually it's 10%. The chart also notes if you must
have zinc present in your glaze to get the color shown. Different
stains have different chemistry, so they may also affect your glaze
base. Their chemistry is indicated on the chart.
You can use less or more - I use anywhere from 3% to 20%, depending on
the glaze base and the color/shade I am trying to achieve. Mason
stains can be mixed together for different shades, too. 5% of this,
3% of that....
Also bear in mind that there are Cerdec/Degussa stains and Spectrum
stains. Try those out too. =20
************
www.loisaronow.com
Fine Craft Porcelain and Pottery
***************************************
Lois Ruben Aronow
Modern Porcelain and Tableware
http://www.loisaronow.com =20
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julie milazzo on wed 11 jun 03
Sounds like a plan. I got a few of the encapsulated mason stains (the tangerine and a red one), and a friend of mine has a chart that I can look at. I really want saturated color, so I'll probably start with 10% if I can't find it on the chart. Thanks! I was planning on starting super low, but I think you just saved me a bit of time.
I'll keep you all posted! Jules
Lois Ruben Aronow wrote:
Test test test!
A lot of them lose color up to cone 10.
The Mason stain chart indicates what percentage you need to use to get
the color shown. Usually it's 10%. The chart also notes if you must
have zinc present in your glaze to get the color shown. Different
stains have different chemistry, so they may also affect your glaze
base. Their chemistry is indicated on the chart.
You can use less or more - I use anywhere from 3% to 20%, depending on
the glaze base and the color/shade I am trying to achieve. Mason
stains can be mixed together for different shades, too. 5% of this,
3% of that....
Also bear in mind that there are Cerdec/Degussa stains and Spectrum
stains. Try those out too.
************
www.loisaronow.com
Fine Craft Porcelain and Pottery
***************************************
Lois Ruben Aronow
Modern Porcelain and Tableware
http://www.loisaronow.com
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Donald Burroughs on thu 12 jun 03
Actually Julie, Mason has colour charts available to the end user. Your
local pottery supply house should be able or has these on hand.If not why
not trying to contact Mason themselves. These are only rough guidelines,but
somewhat helpful.A mason stain is affected and will often yield some
unexpected results (good and bad) depending on your base glaze composition.
So waste is sometimes inevitable. Of course it would be nice if we shared
more of the info regarding the results using a commerical stain. I am
planning on posting some new images of current work being exhibited where a
stain (Drakenfeld) yield a highly unexpected result.
Donald Burroughs
Bonnie/Jeremy Hellman on thu 12 jun 03
The Spectrum stain chart fired at both ^06 and ^6 is available online at the
Bailey Ceramics web site. That was one of the reasons I bought my stains
from them. The other reason was that their prices were reasonable if not
good. They also have the Mason chart online, but Mason does not specify the
cones at which their samples were fired.
I bought the encapsulated cadmium stains from Standard Ceramics of
Pittsburgh, because their price was "only" $39 a pound.
Bonnie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lois Ruben Aronow"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: how about some parameters for mason stains?
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:18:19 -0700, you wrote:
> Sounds like a plan. I got a few of the encapsulated mason stains (the
tangerine and a red one), and a friend of mine has a chart that I can look
at. I really want saturated color, so I'll probably start with 10% if I
can't find it on the chart. Thanks! I was planning on starting super low,
but I think you just saved me a bit of time.
> I'll keep you all posted! Jules
>
I think there is no chart for the Cerdec or the Spectrum stains. For
Mason, your ceramic supplier can easily get you one. They might
charge a couple of bucks for it, and it's worth it.
************
www.loisaronow.com
Fine Craft Porcelain and Pottery
***************************************
Lois Ruben Aronow
Modern Porcelain and Tableware
http://www.loisaronow.com
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julie milazzo on thu 12 jun 03
This firing, Saturday, I'm going to test out some small pieces, and if they work, then next firing, the lamps are going in. Jules
Anne Jewett wrote:Hi Julie
Hands in Clay by Jonh Toki has a very good chart on mason stains and the
pertages. Most times the color will be very similar to the one that is mixed
befor being fired. I did something similar but with a stain opaque white
glaze and the color was very near color mixed. But the best way is to do is
glaze testing.
Anne
From: julie milazzo
Hey everyone,
I seem to be having a personality blip, and am wanting to
paint my entire house various shades of tangerine, raspberry,
lime, etc. Since this may be only a phase, and I may want my
earth-toned house back, I'm trying it out first on my pots. I
fire porcelain to cone 10, mostly oxidation right now. I bought
a few mason stains, and want to put them in my glossy opaque
white, but have no idea what percentages to use. Can you tell by
the color that the glaze turns when it's mixed?
I thought that I'd probably do a gram per cup, put it on
one thing, and add another gram, apply it to another, etc. until
it looks pretty saturated, but the stains are expensive enough
that I don't want to waste batches of it. If anyone has a range
that works for deep color (I really want COLOR), I'd love it if
you could let me know, and just get a better idea.
I thank you, and so does my house! Jules
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Anne Jewett on thu 12 jun 03
Hi Julie
Hands in Clay by Jonh Toki has a very good chart on mason stains and the
pertages. Most times the color will be very similar to the one that is mixed
befor being fired. I did something similar but with a stain opaque white
glaze and the color was very near color mixed. But the best way is to do is
glaze testing.
Anne
From: julie milazzo
Hey everyone,
I seem to be having a personality blip, and am wanting to
paint my entire house various shades of tangerine, raspberry,
lime, etc. Since this may be only a phase, and I may want my
earth-toned house back, I'm trying it out first on my pots. I
fire porcelain to cone 10, mostly oxidation right now. I bought
a few mason stains, and want to put them in my glossy opaque
white, but have no idea what percentages to use. Can you tell by
the color that the glaze turns when it's mixed?
I thought that I'd probably do a gram per cup, put it on
one thing, and add another gram, apply it to another, etc. until
it looks pretty saturated, but the stains are expensive enough
that I don't want to waste batches of it. If anyone has a range
that works for deep color (I really want COLOR), I'd love it if
you could let me know, and just get a better idea.
I thank you, and so does my house! Jules
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Catherine White on fri 13 jun 03
Hi, Here's one website with the Mason Stain color chart and all the info on
the various color groups:
http://www.greatclay.com/mason.htm
Catherine in Yuma, AZ
----- Original Message -----
> Actually Julie, Mason has colour charts available to the end user. Your
> local pottery supply house should be able or has these on hand.
> Donald Burroughs
Carol Tripp on sat 14 jun 03
Hi Julie,
Why not go to http://www.masoncolor.com and see what you can learn from
their site?
Best regards,
Carol
Dubai, UAE
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Russel Fouts on sat 14 jun 03
>> Hi, Here's one website with the Mason Stain color chart and all the info on the various color groups: http://www.greatclay.com/mason.htm <<
You can also see the chart on Mason's own site.
http://www.masoncolor.com
Russel
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