pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 25 jun 03
Hey Taylor,
You are cruel...
But even so, some Porcelain would be easier to carve than
the end of a Dowell...
Bisque it and you have your 'chop'...
Best!
Phil
lasvegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hendrix, Taylor J."
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Signing your pots- revisited - and...
Yo Phil,
I can't really make the move to signing my pots. I have
however made
several chops in play. Currently, when I think of it I
stamp my
attempts with a letter H bisque stamp that I have made. I
have bought
several turned wooden pegs that I will carve for stamps.
Perhaps one of
them will strike my fancy and do for a Taylor's version of
the Cyrillic
P.
H, in Waco
-----Original Message-----
From: pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET [mailto:pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:21 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Signing your pots- revisited - and...
Hi Taylor,
...
When I had begun in the most naive forays into making
Pots....the night school instructor who had experience
selling, admonished not to have a 'date' on the bottom, and
that one should sign their name 'in' the clay in a way as
did not make burrs and so on...and to have your name clear
and large enough to read and...
Well...I did not like that idea, so I never did it...I just
went with a stylized Cyrillic "P" right at the get-go, and
dated them too as I felt like it. I was open minded and
interested about learning, and so it made sense to ignore
him as suited that aspiration.
...
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Hank Murrow on wed 25 jun 03
On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 03:14 PM, Hendrix, Taylor J. wrote:
> Yo Phil,
>
> I can't really make the move to signing my pots. I have however made
> several chops in play. Currently, when I think of it I stamp my
> attempts with a letter H bisque stamp that I have made. I have bought
> several turned wooden pegs that I will carve for stamps. Perhaps one
> of
> them will strike my fancy and do for a Taylor's version of the Cyrillic
> P.
>
Oh dear, I have been 'signing' my pots with a piece of steel type for
46 years now.......an 'H' for Hank (on some pots I use an italicized
'H', but now I find there is an interloper in TX who has appropriated
my chop! Will it never end???
Seriously, I tried an 'M' for Murrow, but it could be read as a
'W'......so I went to the 'H'. reads fine from any position, and folks
are scouring the thrift stores here in Eugene for pots which have an
'H' on them. You know you've made it when folks start turning up your
wares in the Goodwill. Almost every sale I do someone turns up with an
'H' pot to show me.
Anyway Taylor, keep on truckin' with the 'H'
Cheers, Hank in Eugene
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 25 jun 03
Hi Taylor,
Anyway...some of my thoughts on this...
So many times it seems to me, that the signature on the base
or in the foot of a Pot tends to detract from what otherwise
is the integrity of the piece in it's own way...that there
is a disharmony or disjunction sometimes with the
signage...sometimes no, sometimes yes, anyway...maybe
usually 'yes'...it is a delicate matter in it's way...it is
not so easy to do well...
Worse yet, sometimes, seeing a signature, and in addition to
it, some notes or what as identify the piece as being in a
series or a line or a new kind of work, or something about
which glaze or slip it has or whatever...
As bad as the worse-yet, occasions of some famous-potter
signage, or mystique invitation signage, in which the manner
of the signature denotes their cheap or median line of
goods, and the hi-priced line has a differently contrived
signature...
Or, most grotesque yet, some 'signature' line of some
famous-for-something-else-anyway, jiggered whatevers as are
imputed or hyped or expected to have or find value based
upon the signature they bear. And the 'certificate' as
accompanys the piece to authenticate it's provenance as a
genuine jiggered same as all the rest and not very good
anyway at that in any way whatsoever anyway...
Or...how nice it is to see sometimes...a simple 'sign'
symbol, chop or little impress as is the Mark of a
maker...elegant, clean, right to the point.
And as Lee Love mentioned...the polite printed something as
allows the purchaser of a piece to have a document as links
the piece to the maker, and identifies and represents the
'mark' the piece bears, and tells a little something about
it...seems very nice to me...
Nicest of all in my book...
'Clean'...
Now Lee Love also mentioned of how in Japan, there may be
'more' information on the bottom of Ceramic 'boxes' or other
things...and this too makes sense to me as polite
somehow...as 'right'...
When I had begun in the most naive forays into making
Pots....the night school instructor who had experience
selling, admonished not to have a 'date' on the bottom, and
that one should sign their name 'in' the clay in a way as
did not make burrs and so on...and to have your name clear
and large enough to read and...
Well...I did not like that idea, so I never did it...I just
went with a stylized Cyrillic "P" right at the get-go, and
dated them too as I felt like it. I was open minded and
interested about learning, and so it made sense to ignore
him as suited that aspiration.
In looking back, had I continued to do Ceramic work, or
rather to do it continuously and in a bigger way...I would
have evolved a new slightly different but very similar
symbol or more likely a Chop every now and then as
inspiration might suggest...and that would be my way to in
some retrospect tell, roughly, 'when' I had made the thing
so stamped or impressed...
My Tools and or Woodwork or Box and Case Work and so on
allways get my full 'stamp', as "Philip
Poburka...maker...Las Vegas, Nevada"...and some things get
"BISON" as well...as I feel suits them comfortably...
But Pots...are different somehow to me, and seemed so from
the start...
Ceramic Sculpture could go either way in my thoughts...
Phil
lasvegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hendrix, Taylor J."
Hey Tony,
I sign all my pots "Clennell." Keeps the riffraff away.
Marsha suggested I sign my work "Pottery by Stupid." I
didn't think
that was very nice.
Taylor, in Waco
Hendrix, Taylor J. on wed 25 jun 03
Yo Phil,
I can't really make the move to signing my pots. I have however made
several chops in play. Currently, when I think of it I stamp my
attempts with a letter H bisque stamp that I have made. I have bought
several turned wooden pegs that I will carve for stamps. Perhaps one of
them will strike my fancy and do for a Taylor's version of the Cyrillic
P.
H, in Waco
-----Original Message-----
From: pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET [mailto:pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET]=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:21 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Signing your pots- revisited - and...
Hi Taylor,
...
When I had begun in the most naive forays into making
Pots....the night school instructor who had experience
selling, admonished not to have a 'date' on the bottom, and
that one should sign their name 'in' the clay in a way as
did not make burrs and so on...and to have your name clear
and large enough to read and...
Well...I did not like that idea, so I never did it...I just
went with a stylized Cyrillic "P" right at the get-go, and
dated them too as I felt like it. I was open minded and
interested about learning, and so it made sense to ignore
him as suited that aspiration.
...
Snail Scott on wed 25 jun 03
At 12:20 AM 6/25/03 -0700, Phil wrote:
>Ceramic Sculpture could go either way in my thoughts...
I've always been a bit ambivalent about it, too. For a long
time, I did figural work - quite representational, and around
'life-size' (Whatever that is, for creatures I just made up...)
They did seem like individuals, though - people, not just
references or scale images. Persons. (My cats would politely
touch noses with each new piece they 'met'.) Most of them were
never signed, as I just never felt right about carving my name
into someone's ass (or elsewhere)- even an imaginary clay
person's. Courtesy, or verisimilitude? Proobably some of both.
My recent work has been more allegorical. Some of it is more
abstract, and even the ones done in a representational style
have been 'ideas-on-the-hoof' rather than people, and I don't
mind signing them. For non-figural objects, like pots, it's
never been an issue at all.
I regret not signing my earlier pieces, though. I've lost track
of many of them over the years, and lost contact information
for the buyers ages ago. I'd like to know that if the occasion
arose, that the buyer could at least find me again. (Collector,
sitting in the living room, staring at Sculpture: "Sure would
like to find that artist again - what was her name? Slug?
Squid? Slime?")
How can I ever borrow them back now, when I finally get my big
retrospective at the Whitney? ;)
Moral #1: Sign your work so people can find you again.
Moral #2: Don't ever lose your #&%*@$ mailing list!
-Snail
...and yep, still using the surname I was born with. (Now my
first name, that's another story!)
Hendrix, Taylor J. on thu 26 jun 03
Hank and the rest.
I know. I know, but it couldn't be helped, honest. I first tried using
my given name, which happens to be several people's last name. Had to
stop that when the golf club giant threatened litigation. Couldn't use
my last name unless I was willing to set all my pots on fire, take lots
of pills and shoot my ol' lady down. All I had left was my middle name,
but with Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch to
write on the bottom of every pot, that got pretty old pretty fast!
What? Is that Janet I hear laughing? Anyway, had to pick an initial
and figured an "H" can double as an "I" in extreme emergencies so there
you go.
Yours looks better.
Taylor, in Waco
-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Murrow [mailto:hmurrow@EFN.ORG]=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:05 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Signing your pots- revisited - and...
...
Oh dear, I have been 'signing' my pots with a piece of steel type for
46 years now.......an 'H' for Hank (on some pots I use an italicized
'H', but now I find there is an interloper in TX who has appropriated
my chop! Will it never end???
Seriously, I tried an 'M' for Murrow, but it could be read as a
'W'......so I went to the 'H'. reads fine from any position, and folks
are scouring the thrift stores here in Eugene for pots which have an
'H' on them. You know you've made it when folks start turning up your
wares in the Goodwill. Almost every sale I do someone turns up with an
'H' pot to show me.
Anyway Taylor, keep on truckin' with the 'H'
Cheers, Hank in Eugene
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