artimator on mon 7 jul 03
Lois wrote:
Ah Rush - your ignorance once again rears it's ugly head.
first off, the material used for glass are far more expensive than
those used for clay. You can't make glass in your basement. People
work in teams. Ever heard of teamwork, Rush?
I know more potters who pay shop assistants a pittance, or, worse yet,
nothing. They work in exchange for space. =20
So get yer head out of your ass
Lois,
I do not have my head in my ass....and I am not ignorant about =
anything that has anything to do with fine art....The points you use to =
refute my premise actually do more to support my contentions than they =
do to refute them.....
Team work does not apply as a good thing in the realm of fine =
art....If it did then all that fine Chinese ceramic flooding in from =
factories in China would be just as good as my stuff(It is not!)...Of =
course most people who equate their self worth with their wallet would =
tend to think so, wouldn't they?....Commercial enterprise has not one =
damn thing to do with fine art...The highest price realized for my art =
is $46000 for less than 2 weeks work....If I tried to get that price for =
my time as a fine artist, rather than a slave to commercial enterprise, =
you would be among those screaming about my egotistical fantasies....
People who run factories, be they clay, glass, or widgets, do not =
make fine art....First of all they do not make anything but money and =
the occaisional loud fart from overeating....Second, the actual work is =
done by their oppressed minions....Some of those minions may some day =
wake up(I did) and realize they are wasting their life to enable =
heartless assholes to drive the latest Mercedes....When that happens it =
becomes easy to differentiate between fine art and commercial =
enterprise...
A glass factory is no different than any other factory.....And YOU =
appear to me to be blind....Save your hateful toilet mouth for your =
children so they will grow into good consummers like yourself...and =
don't start screaming at me till you have swallowed that mouthful of =
Micky D's fine art..
PAX,
Rush
"I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of =
indulgences and snakes handy"
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Lois Ruben Aronow on mon 7 jul 03
Yawn. =20
Teamwork is vastly different from factory made. glassblowers often
work in teams as it physically demanding to create large scale pieces.
A good glass artist, like a good director, works with his/her team to
create his vision. =20
>.The highest price realized for my art is $46000 for less than 2 weeks =
work....If I tried to get that price for my time as a fine artist, rather=
than a slave to commercial enterprise, you would be among those =
screaming about my egotistical fantasies....
I do think you have egotistical fantasies. And you seem to always bee
screaming about number - how many pieces you can produce, how much
money you make, how many fans you have. Why the dependence on
numbers? More is not necessarily better. =20
> People who run factories, be they clay, glass, or widgets, do not =
make fine art....
I never said anything about factories.
>.And YOU appear to me to be blind....
And you say this because......???
>Save your hateful toilet mouth for your children so they will grow into =
good consummers like yourself...and don't start screaming at me till you =
have swallowed that mouthful of Micky D's fine art..
You know nothing about me or my life, how much I consumer, where my
money goes, where my conscience lies. You, though, are rather like a
pit bull, snapping at people who won't feed or pay attention to you.
I have always been a defender of yours, Rush. But now it seems you've
lost your last friend here on this list.
************
www.loisaronow.com
=46ine Craft Porcelain and Pottery
***************************************
Lois Ruben Aronow
Modern Porcelain and Tableware
http://www.loisaronow.com=20
spam.goes.here on mon 7 jul 03
Oh for god's sake. Could you exchange email addresses and do this stuff in
private? It frightens the horses.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Lois Ruben
Aronow
Sent: 07 July 2003 19:42
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: glass "artists" -Lois
Yawn.
Teamwork is vastly different from factory made. glassblowers often
work in teams as it physically demanding to create large scale pieces.
A good glass artist, like a good director, works with his/her team to
create his vision.
>.The highest price realized for my art is $46000 for less than 2 weeks
work....If I tried to get that price for my time as a fine artist, rather
than a slave to commercial enterprise, you would be among those screaming
about my egotistical fantasies....
I do think you have egotistical fantasies. And you seem to always bee
screaming about number - how many pieces you can produce, how much
money you make, how many fans you have. Why the dependence on
numbers? More is not necessarily better.
> People who run factories, be they clay, glass, or widgets, do not make
fine art....
I never said anything about factories.
>.And YOU appear to me to be blind....
And you say this because......???
>Save your hateful toilet mouth for your children so they will grow into
good consummers like yourself...and don't start screaming at me till you
have swallowed that mouthful of Micky D's fine art..
You know nothing about me or my life, how much I consumer, where my
money goes, where my conscience lies. You, though, are rather like a
pit bull, snapping at people who won't feed or pay attention to you.
I have always been a defender of yours, Rush. But now it seems you've
lost your last friend here on this list.
************
www.loisaronow.com
Fine Craft Porcelain and Pottery
***************************************
Lois Ruben Aronow
Modern Porcelain and Tableware
http://www.loisaronow.com
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chris clarke on mon 7 jul 03
"Oh for god's sake. Could you exchange email addresses and do this stuff in
private? It frightens the horses."
Actually I find this quite entertaining. Why one art form would need to
bitch and moan about another is beyond me. In fact I believe Arti showed
his ass a few years ago about glass artists.
And once again I will state, I worked very close with one. He was and is a
fine artist. The experience I drew from it stayed with me. It's called
appreciation. Everyone say it with me APPRECIATION. I've seen lots of work
that I don't like, but I appreciate it. Why rip on someone because they do
it differently.
"It's no mystery to me.....Ya get some money and then you buy yourself a
glass shop...Get some poor people to work there for pittance....You are done
Clay needs only mud and a human as it's basis"
Really, so you make your own clay? And your kiln is plugged into your what?
And your chemicals? No one was paid to provide those, were they?
Equipment. You built it I assume, since no one was paid. Oh wait, you work
in a school. So instead of buying a shop you rent it. Someone else fire
your kilns? Make a list of all the things you don't do before you run down
what other people do.
I worked with glass. It's as difficult as clay. Takes just as much skill
as clay. Many glass blowers work alone and there are just as many potters
who do not.
chris
temecula, california
chris@ccpots.com
http://www.ccpots.com
Paul Gerhold on tue 8 jul 03
Dear Rush
Please check into the processes used in making the Greek Attic Pots as well
as some of the best historical porcelains of Japan as well as most of the
American Art pottery.Learning should never cease.
Paul
Kathi LeSueur on wed 9 jul 03
gilois@BELLATLANTIC.NET wrote:
>Yawn.
>
>Teamwork is vastly different from factory made. glassblowers often
>work in teams as it physically demanding to create large scale pieces.
>A good glass artist, like a good director, works with his/her team to
>create his vision. >>>>
>
Most of the art fair applications I've seen say that the work exhibited
must be done solely by the artist applying. Any studio help is to take
the form of non-artistic functions. "Artists using apprentices or
employees need not apply". This rule is enforced vigorously for
potters, woodworkers, and other "crafts". Other exhibitors send letters
to fairs that this or that exhibitor has someone working for them while
glassworkers, who everyone knows have people working for them get a
pass. I'm not saying glass artists should work alone. That would be
dangerous, if nothing else. But the same creative energy created in the
glass studio by people working together can happen in other media. And
the lack of young exhibitors can, IMHO, be directly linked to the ban on
employees or apprentices for exhibiting artists. Where are these people
going to learn the practical side of being a working artist.
Kathi
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