J Lutz on wed 9 jul 03
Jeanie,
Yes, I've used all kinds of molds from butter molds to candy to jello.
But this technique was so unique I wanted to try something similar.
I thought of sand but didn't know how I'd get the sand particles off/out of
the dry piece.
Suppose I could just fire it the way it is with the sand stuck to it.
I think the sand would have to be quite wet so that the moisture in the
slip wouldn't migrate so much.
If I have any success I'll let you know
Jean Lutz
At 03:28 PM 7/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>You can make molds in (damp) sand and "sand cast". Some sand sticks to
>the clay and makes a textured surface. That might be similar to flour use.
>I've used chocolate candy molds as clay press molds for small springs.
>It's fun!
>Jeanie Campbell
L. P. Skeen on wed 9 jul 03
Goodie; then some of the chocolate will STICK to the legos, and we can lick
it off............god how I love chocolate.
I think we should make fountains that spew chocolate instead of
water......think AFtosa has a pump that's up to the task?
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanie Campbell"
One more hint: You can use LEGO building blocks to create a frame the size
you want, with minimum effort!
Jeanie Campbell
Chris Stanley on wed 9 jul 03
Dear Jeanie,
You need a plaster slab cast so that one side is very flat. We use
Plexiglas and a wooden frame to make the tile
http://www.utpb.edu/courses/arts4365/ClayandGlazeprojects/plasterti.htm
or
http://www.utpb.edu/courses/arts4365/ into the section called projects
gallery
Then we mix up a base white casting slip and then mix up smaller batches of
casting slip with oxide colorants. From here it is like mono printing. Lay
the color down on the tile in streaks or images and then pour a layer of
white, or base slip over the thing and let it dry. Remove it and presto you
got a slip painting! You can also carve into the tile if you wish.
Have fun.
Chris
PS. I worked in a chocolate factory in Lawrence, KS during the 80's. Man
you can really learn to hate the stuff when you wear it home every day.
J Lutz on wed 9 jul 03
Recently on the Food Network (is there any other?) Jacques Torres
(sp?) who works only with chocolate was making a painting from chocolate.
His method was intriguing and I immediately wondered if I could use it with
clay slip. I've picked up some interesting hand building tips from him.
The frame for the painting was made:
1 He cut wooden molding to fit the chocolate picture
2. He placed "fluffed" flour (a lot) in a pan then smoothed out the surface
and pushed the molding into it just far enough to receive the front
surface/design.
3. When the wood was removed, the impression was left in the flour. Perfectly.
4. He then poured chocolate into the impression. When it was set up (just a
few minutes) he removed the chocolate frame and brushed the flour from it.
What little residue was left gave it an antique look. He put the frame
pieces together with chocolate. Just like slip.
He also did something similar using cocoa and a golf ball.
Can anyone think of anything that could be used to replace the flour or
cocoa to use with clay slip?
Jean Lutz
If one must eat their words I guess we should start writing in chocolate.
Ditmar on wed 9 jul 03
Can't think of anything right off hand.
With the chocolate, you're just giving physical support while the chocolate
hardens.
With slip, you actually need to account for absorption of water. That'll
probably make a mess at the best, and cause some kind of surface adhesion on
the clay at the worst.
Stick with using plaster molds and eating chocolate while you work.
( maybe someone's got a workable idea...I think it sounds like fun too.)
Ditmar
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Lutz"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:17 AM
Subject: molding chocolate and clay
> Recently on the Food Network (is there any other?) Jacques Torres
> (sp?) who works only with chocolate was making a painting from chocolate.
> His method was intriguing and I immediately wondered if I could use it
with
> clay slip. I've picked up some interesting hand building tips from him.
>
> The frame for the painting was made:
> 1 He cut wooden molding to fit the chocolate picture
> 2. He placed "fluffed" flour (a lot) in a pan then smoothed out the
surface
> and pushed the molding into it just far enough to receive the front
> surface/design.
> 3. When the wood was removed, the impression was left in the flour.
Perfectly.
> 4. He then poured chocolate into the impression. When it was set up (just
a
> few minutes) he removed the chocolate frame and brushed the flour from it.
> What little residue was left gave it an antique look. He put the frame
> pieces together with chocolate. Just like slip.
>
> He also did something similar using cocoa and a golf ball.
>
>
> Can anyone think of anything that could be used to replace the flour or
> cocoa to use with clay slip?
>
>
> Jean Lutz
> If one must eat their words I guess we should start writing in chocolate.
>
>
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Jeanie Campbell on wed 9 jul 03
You can make molds in (damp) sand and "sand cast". Some sand sticks to t=
he clay and makes a textured surface. That might be similar to flour use=
. =20
I've used chocolate candy molds as clay press molds for small springs.
It's fun!
Jeanie Campbell
----- Original Message -----
From: J Lutz
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:47 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: molding chocolate and clay
Recently on the Food Network (is there any other?) Jacques Torres
(sp?) who works only with chocolate was making a painting from chocolate=
.
His method was intriguing and I immediately wondered if I could use it wi=
th
clay slip. I've picked up some interesting hand building tips from him.
The frame for the painting was made:
1 He cut wooden molding to fit the chocolate picture
2. He placed "fluffed" flour (a lot) in a pan then smoothed out the surfa=
ce
and pushed the molding into it just far enough to receive the front
surface/design.
3. When the wood was removed, the impression was left in the flour. Perfe=
ctly.
4. He then poured chocolate into the impression. When it was set up (just=
a
few minutes) he removed the chocolate frame and brushed the flour from it=
.
What little residue was left gave it an antique look. He put the frame
pieces together with chocolate. Just like slip.
He also did something similar using cocoa and a golf ball.
Can anyone think of anything that could be used to replace the flour or
cocoa to use with clay slip?
Jean Lutz
If one must eat their words I guess we should start writing in chocolate.
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Jeanie Campbell on wed 9 jul 03
One more hint: You can use LEGO building blocks to create a frame the si=
ze you want, with minimum effort!
Jeanie Campbell
----- Original Message -----
From: J Lutz
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:47 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: molding chocolate and clay
Recently on the Food Network (is there any other?) Jacques Torres
(sp?) who works only with chocolate was making a painting from chocolate=
.
His method was intriguing and I immediately wondered if I could use it wi=
th
clay slip. I've picked up some interesting hand building tips from him.
The frame for the painting was made:
1 He cut wooden molding to fit the chocolate picture
2. He placed "fluffed" flour (a lot) in a pan then smoothed out the surfa=
ce
and pushed the molding into it just far enough to receive the front
surface/design.
3. When the wood was removed, the impression was left in the flour. Perfe=
ctly.
4. He then poured chocolate into the impression. When it was set up (just=
a
few minutes) he removed the chocolate frame and brushed the flour from it=
.
What little residue was left gave it an antique look. He put the frame
pieces together with chocolate. Just like slip.
He also did something similar using cocoa and a golf ball.
Can anyone think of anything that could be used to replace the flour or
cocoa to use with clay slip?
Jean Lutz
If one must eat their words I guess we should start writing in chocolate.
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Snail Scott on thu 10 jul 03
At 06:35 PM 7/10/03 -0500, you wrote:
>There is a product out there that might work. I have an extremely fine,
>rust-coloured sand with a semi-binding that my memory says is oil...
>It sticks together quite well, and will hold even very fine detail, unlike
>plain sand.
It could be bonded sand, or 'green' sand, used to
sand-cast metals. (Try asking an industrial (not art)
foundry.) It must be VERY well compacted to get a clean
surface, (VERY, _VERY_ well) or you will probably get
some sand stuck to the casting. It's also not very
absorbent, so you might have to let the slip dry from
the top. Maybe if you dusted the sand with dry clay?
(Just speculating without much foundation, here...)
Do keep us informed of any experiments!
-Snail
Snail Scott on thu 10 jul 03
At 01:17 PM 7/9/03 -0700, you wrote:
>1 He cut wooden molding to fit the chocolate picture
>2. He placed "fluffed" flour (a lot) in a pan then smoothed out the surface
>and pushed the molding into it just far enough to receive the front
>surface/design...
>Can anyone think of anything that could be used to replace the flour or
>cocoa to use with clay slip?
The flour acted as a release agent in this case, as well
as being the mold. You _might_ be able to compact dry clay
powder solidly enough to achieve this. (I've never tried.)
Or, just make a plaster mold, since it doesn't have to be
an edible residue. Plaster molds made by pushing things
down into the surface of the plaster tend to acquire
surface bubbles as they rise out of the plaster, so mix
your plaster carefully and de-bubblize as well as possible
before impressing your objects. Making a 'conventional'
plaster mold, with the plaster poured _over_ the pattern,
takes more preparation but tends to result in a better
surface.
-Snail
Wendy Peck on thu 10 jul 03
There is a product out there that might work. I have an extremely fine,
rust-coloured sand with a semi-binding that my memory says is oil. It smells
like that memory is right - smells like a heavier oil, not as bad as deisel
but like it has an edge of that. I understood that it was used to create
molds for molten metal on a small scale. That might work for slip designs.
It sticks together quite well, and will hold even very fine detail, unlike
plain sand. Perhaps there is a jewelry maker on the list who will know the
correct term for what I have.
Wendy
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>1 He cut wooden molding to fit the chocolate picture
>2. He placed "fluffed" flour (a lot) in a pan then smoothed out the surface
>and pushed the molding into it just far enough to receive the front
>surface/design...
>Can anyone think of anything that could be used to replace the flour or
>cocoa to use with clay slip?
Mike Gordon on fri 11 jul 03
Hi,
If my memory serves me right, what the rust colored sand might be is
"Petrobond" spelling may be off, but it is used in sand casting for very
fine detail casting. Any large foundry supply will carry it. I used it
when the Art Foundry I worked for was casting belt buckles for Wells
Farg Bank.We cast them in silicon bronze and the Petrobond was mixed
with silica sand to make the molds. Mike Gordon
Jeremy McLeod on fri 11 jul 03
J Lutz wrote:
> Can anyone think of anything that could be used to replace the flour or
> cocoa to use with clay slip?
Didn't see the chocolate demo (tho it sounds like something I'll try to catch...
thanks to cable's propensity to repeat broadcasts).
Speculating on the slip question, however....
Wet sand takes impressions well (remember all those sand-cast candles from the
60's?). Depends on how you feel about a sandy surface on the clay?
I've also seen pics of folks making some very intricut/fragile latticework by
pouring porcelain slip out on a plaster bat and letting the plaster do its
absorbtive thing.
If you made the initial mold impression in wet plaster it would be rather like the
flour process, but certainly more permanent/repeatable. You'd simply be making
a plaster mold for slip casting as 'tiz been done for many moons.
Jeremy McLeod
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