Jim Brooks on mon 28 jul 03
Dannon..need to talk about you about doing a workshop..Your emails all
returned as non valid..Please im me.. Jim in Denton.
mel jacobson on mon 28 jul 03
in so many ways, including my own
life, i have found that bad teaching
stays with us forever.
you can have dozens of good teachers
that do the job, care, and impart information,
but, have one `nasty bugger` in the mix
and you never forget.
it is so very true in art. often we come
to the art table full of joy and excitement...
and when that gets dashed...we really hurt.
the anticipation of doing, making, being a part of,
is what makes art work. we all trust and know that.
when art becomes just another subject to read about,
study, and be tested on...well, our hopes get dashed.
trust seems to be the only element of education that
works. when trust is broken, when you do not trust,
nothing is retained.
when a student anticipates `doing art`, and all that
student gets is a teacher talking about `other artists`...
what they did, how they did it...well, they crash.
arrogance seems to be at the heart of so many bad
teachers. they seem to be so much better than their
students. it makes students of all ages doubt the ability
and sincerity of the teacher.
we all can see, hear and smell passion. when folks have
a deep passion for what they do, it does rub off.
when the joy of a subject, the care for information is
given with sincerity and trust...it stays with the student
forever.
as we age, as our sense of right and wrong becomes more
keen, we see arrogance and puffy-ness more easily. when
we observe it, it turns our learning motor off. and often that
is for good.
i have been around some very bad teaching in my life.
the one thing that i never understand...`is they just don't
ever get it`. in several cases, i know we could have used
a whip and thumb screws on these folks, and they still would
not `get it`. there just is not a shred of understanding of what
the word `trust` means.
arti's post this morning, so full of obscene passion, does
give us a clue how much we all mistrust and abhor bad
folks. when they are our teachers, it doubles.
mel
last month was my 50th class reunion, only one
teacher showed up...we flew him in from california.
it was such a treat to see him. he was still full of
`passion and trust`. i went by the funeral home the
other day of a 97 year old lady that just died. she
was my favorite teacher of all time. 4th and 5th grade.
she saved my life. she saw i did art, and pushed me
hard, and forgave my `big boy` fumbles in academics.
i walked in alone, no one there...i walked up to her casket
and just said...`thank you`. those were the people i modeled
my teaching after. it worked.
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Dannon Rhudy on mon 28 jul 03
Mel said.
> in so many ways, including my own
> life, i have found that bad teaching
> stays with us forever.
>
> you can have dozens of good teachers
> that do the job, care, and impart information,
> but, have one `nasty bugger` in the mix
> and you never forget.........>>>...
No, we don't forget, because there is something involved
with emotion that makes a great impact on memory. Think
of times you've been embarrassed, as child or adult - you'll
often actually blush again, or feel a rush of adrenalin.
So bad teachers do some damage.
The ones I remember, though, are the ones who
inspired me, in whatever way they did it. There is
a "learning connection" that happens sometimes, and
it also remains with us, and strongly. Again, when
emotion is involved, our memories are amazing.
Adults get to choose, though. People who have
power over children and cause misery (shame on
them) should not be STILL empowered when we
are adults. If so, then we've let someone who is
likely dead and buried still rule our behavior and/or
feelings (shame on us).
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Vince Pitelka on thu 31 jul 03
> > in so many ways, including my own
> > life, i have found that bad teaching
> > stays with us forever.
Mel -
I agree, especially if the student's experience has been pretty traumatic.
But other than that, I think that the good teachers have a far greater
impact, and for most of us, those are the ones we remember. Ideally, as a
feature of a good life well lived, we wash away a lot of the inevitable
negative stuff, and focus our evolution and existence on the positive stuff.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
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claybair on thu 31 jul 03
My revenge for bad teachers is to not remember their names.
On the other hand I will never forget the good ones.....
Mrs. Hafler, Mrs. Schrodt, Karl Sherman & Jerry Kaplan.
Hmmm... pretty sad .... only 4 out of all the years I spent in
an educational system but also pretty great that I had that many!
Mrs. Hafler was someone with the ability to recognize the fire & potential
in an
elementary school kid that spent most of her time staring out the window.
She told my mother I was gifted..... when years earlier she was told I was
retarded
by a teacher who's name it just so happens I cannot remember.
Mrs. Schrodt was a high school art teacher who drove me to have high
expectations. She was a drill sergeant.... instilling and awakening a need
for purpose and technical ability.
Karl Sherman...College prep summer class. Wonderful Karl..... 5ft high
Russian Jew with a thick accent who Taught Me How To See. He never sat
down... roaming the classroom with absolutely spot on critiques of our work.
I was in heaven.... I thought all my college teachers were going to be like
him. Sadly I was very wrong.
Jerry Kaplan - College Printmaking instructor rescued me from the bullshit
Painting Department. He gave me the skills to do printmaking and never gave
me cause to use the word "juxtaposition".
Then there are all the clay people who have fanned my fires...... Connie
Christensen, Lana Wilson, Peter King, Chris Staley, Margaret Josey, Robin
Furuta, John Hansen, Rita Vali and so many people on Clayart. I have
definitely made up for all the bad teaching in my early years with the
numerous gifts of good teaching in my later ones.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Vince Pitelka
> > in so many ways, including my own
> > life, i have found that bad teaching
> > stays with us forever.
Mel -
I agree, especially if the student's experience has been pretty traumatic.
But other than that, I think that the good teachers have a far greater
impact, and for most of us, those are the ones we remember. Ideally, as a
feature of a good life well lived, we wash away a lot of the inevitable
negative stuff, and focus our evolution and existence on the positive stuff.
Best wishes -
- Vince
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