Earl Brunner on mon 28 jul 03
Yes, I'm VERY adacious and I didn't read it, so I didn't KNOW her studio
burned down. When you know the facts, it can make a difference,
unfortunately I DIDN'T KNOW it burned down for the reasons I stated.
And I wrote it as much for the rest of you as much as for her. The
other day Mel was gripping about hitting reply without cutting and
pasteing and someone else wrote about putting your reply at the top
instead of at the bottom, etc, etc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of L. P. Skeen
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 6:06 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: fire
Earl Brunner had the audacity to write:
> You went to a great deal of trouble to write this message. But do
the
reader a favor and break it up a bit. I looked at the SOLID screen of
words and sorry, I just couldn't read it.
To be perfectly blunt, Earl, give the woman a break; HER STUDIO JUST
BURNED
DOWN!!!!!!!! I think she can write however she damn well pleases. God
knows I"m one of the pickiest people on the planet when it comes to this
kind of thing, but geez.........you had to add insult to injury!?!
MTU19354@AOL.COM on mon 28 jul 03
I had a wonderful vacation to charleston ,SC beach areas and museum stuff
and more fishing/crabbing planned for a couple months and was packing the car
for a Sunday departure and had gone back into the house for a break from the
heat when someone knocked on the door.My phone had gone out earlier and I
thought it was my son in law coming by to tell me they had reported it, but alas, it
was a neighbor who had been going by and had spotted flames coming out of
the studio roof and had already used their cell phone to the fire department.I
had to get the keys to open the building and had to fumble as I had not been in
that kiln/glazing building in the last month or so spending more time with
the grandchildren since their school has been out since May 23.
The firemen showed me the V shaped flame pattern from the plug and
recepticle.If you look at the plug it has 3 straight prongs and when the single
verticle one is in the top of the plug it was the angled off one to the right
that burned the plug and recepticle right back to the breaker on the wall.The
breaker in the main box was also tripped.The fire burned thru the wall to the
outside before it got really going.Heat must have built up in the building for
quite awhile before the fire was evident as my studio is all plywood interior
well insulated and tight.All my extensive wiring and main panel was on the
wall to the street where the kilns all were and the rest of the building had
wiring dropped from the ceiling above the plywood ceiling.The wonderful neighbors
getting the call in so early helped hold the loss to the contents in the
lower part of the building but the roof, cieling, wiring,phone lines, walls,
both doors and all windows,2 light/ceiling, fans, 4- 8' flourescent light
fixtures,and much stuff higher than 3 feet that was plastic or fibers or glass or
generally flamable is ruined or gone .Hopefully, some stuff didn't get
completely lost but looks like sh-- from smoke/water damage.The heat was bad but
things were not as bad as they could have been as I had some quite flamable stuff
that could have been troblesome but they were stored low enough that they
were untouched by the flames or heat.All the bags of chemicals that the
containers were not melted or glass blown up were in paper bags that the water
pressure/wetness dissolved the bags ruining the contents.
2 clocks, stereo and all my recorded music, tv, all the
airbrushs,compressers and bottles and accessories and dremels and acessories and all plastic
tool stuff including lots and lots of neat brushes collected and made thru my
entire career, 4 new detachable pyrometers [on upper shelves], 2 Bailey kiln
vent systems and the kiln controllers ,oxy probe, scales, pure and simple
molds, notebooks ,plastic containers of glazes and supplies, about 100 boxes
of cones all sizes, both the Ohaus gram scale and weights and digital
weighing scale, plasti bats bat and bowl and platter shapes and plastic turntables,
all plastic measuring cups and beakers bowls, shop vacuum, phone and extra
kiln cords melted, molds and all the greenware and some bisque, all my upper
shelves, the window wood louvered shades and all the windows themselves, the
doors and now useless medico locks.Plastic throwing and sculpting tools,welding
hoses and raku burners, gallon new aftosa wax, 2 quarts of darvan #7, a
gallon of concentrated moldsoap, a box of a gross of mold makers osterizer
blender, hand blenders, brent splash pans, boxs of spare circuit breakers both 220
and 110, 2 extra sets of kiln elements and pins,rods and cone supports, box of
ceramic commercial decals, lots of mason stains and pint bottles of velvets
and other glaze materials in plastic bags and plastic gallon bottles and glass
jars that exploded.A whole lot of new unopened mouldmaking containers of
compounds and spray cans of things such as mold release.A number of master moulds
of polyureathane material for tiles and chess sets and pressmolds.My ball mill
atachment for the potters wheel.What ceramics magazines and books I had in
the studio on glazing and tile and mouldmaking.My posters and the kid's pots
thay had made.My 3m products and teapot handles , plastic design engineering
type tools for shapes and angles,tile scrapers squeeges, dies for the big blue
extruder,plaster throwing bowl/ bats and molds for sprigs and some of horses
and alphabet stamps of letters and numbers.Sieves and extra screens and
brushes,grinders and sandpaper drip pads for the wheel and foam home made trimming
gadgets.The selfmade blue foam slump molds for odd shapes and plastic calipers
for .My sample boards of commercial glazes,the canvas for the 40"slabroller.
I think I am possibly in some sort of shock and have not emotionally digested
the loss.my insurer made me promise not to have a kiln in the a seperate
building and didn't cover my ''kiln building'' and since I HAD TRIED TO BE SO
CAREFUL IN GETTING THE BEST WIRING POSSIBLE DONE that I accepted it to get the
rest of the place covered, even if I had more of the pricy stuff in the
uninsured building I THOUHGT because I HAD DONE THINGS CORRECTLY I wouldn't have too
much to worry about.
I am only glad I no longer had the kilns in the garage of my home like I used
to in the past.The kilns were not being fired and had not been fired in 2
months and were in excellent condition on my inspection when last fired.
I am sorry I BELABORED THE LOSSES AND THE LIST IS NOT COMPLETE AS IT IS TOO
HOT OUTSIDE TO GO INTO THE DARK STINKY BURNT OUT BUILDING IN THE HEAT OF THIS
HOT SOUTH CAROLINA DAY.
We not only lost the building and stuff but my husband felt we need to stay
home and deal with the problems and so the trip with the grandchildren before
school begins next week is off as well.I am not sure which is worse.i think
writing this is helping me get it out as I HAVE NO ONE BUT FAMILY TO VENT THIS TO
AND THEY DO NOT APPRECIATE MY WORK ,AND WHAT IT MEANS TO ME, even when I am
not in the studio.
I am trying to figure how to get back to work to earn money to rebuild and
refurbish but without electricity in my shop until it is rebuilt makes things a
challenge.One step at a time, I guess.
My reason for writing this is to tell everyone to exercise EXTREME CAUTION
and do not let your guard down as far as electricity goes.Unplug kilns WHENEVER
they are not in use even if turned off and next to a breaker box that is off
AND TURN THE BREAKERS IN THE BOX OFF AT THE SAME TIME AND IN THE MAIN BOX AS
WELL WHEN A FIRING HAS ENDED.I had not direct wired the kilns as I HAD SEVERAL
I ROTATED ON WHEELED STANDS TO THE SAME OUTLETS and the outlet was very heavy
duty and like all the number wires used from outlet to the breaker box not a
foot away and it was the proper number/size in relation to the main box
breaker.I will have to rethink the kiln situation IF I can eventually rebuild the
kiln building and may build it from concrete block next time and use it only for
the kilns.
Anyone with a kiln in your home now worries me more than ever.I am also glad
if it had to happen I was not away as I would soon have been.
No one was hurt and the loss was not total so I can only count my blessings
and this will make me get back to work as since I had some problems with theft
that ruined it for me somewhat for me this is a kick in the but to make me
appreciate what I HAVE NOT LOST YET.
Margaret in Columbia,SC
Lily Krakowski on mon 28 jul 03
Margaret, I am so sorry.
Not about your fire--bad things happen ,they happen all the time, it could
have been a tornado, flood, hurricane, enemy bombing-earthquake,
vandalism--though I feel bad about that too.
But that your family does not appreciate how much your work means to you,
and is not gathering round to cleanup and help you rebuild (how long can it
take a couple of sons/sons in law and their buddies to put up a small
building already yet --two weekends 30 lbs of steak, 5 lbs macaroni salad
and a small keg of beer--?) THAT BREAKS MY HEART.
Been there, done that. It really hurts. And I wish you the strength to see
it through....Best of luck
Lili Krakowski
P.O. Box #1
Constableville, N.Y.
(315) 942-5916/ 397-2389
Be of good courage....
Earl Brunner on mon 28 jul 03
You went to a great deal of trouble to write this message. But do the
reader a favor and break it up a bit. I looked at the SOLID screen of
words and sorry, I just couldn't read it. Throw in an occaisonal new
paragraph, skip lines between the paragraphs. I know MY brain handles
text better that way.......
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
MTU19354@AOL.COM
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:57 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: fire
I had a wonderful vacation to charleston ,SC beach areas and museum
stuff and more fishing/crabbing planned for a couple months and was
packing the car for a Sunday departure and had gone back into the house
for a break from the heat when someone knocked on the door.My phone had
gone out earlier and I thought it was my son in law coming by to tell me
they had reported it, but alas, it was a neighbor who had been going by
and had spotted flames coming out of the studio roof and had already
used their cell phone to the fire department.I had to get the keys to
open the building and had to fumble as I had not been in that
kiln/glazing building in the last month or so spending more time with
the grandchildren since their school has been out since May 23. The
firemen showed me the V shaped flame pattern from the plug and
recepticle.If you look at the plug it has 3 straight prongs and when
the single verticle one is in the top of the plug it was the angled
off one to the right that burned the plug and recepticle right back to
the breaker on the wall.The breaker in the main box was also
tripped.The fire burned thru the wall to the outside before it got
really going.Heat must have built up in the building for quite awhile
before the fire was evident as my studio is all plywood interior well
insulated and tight.
L. P. Skeen on mon 28 jul 03
Earl Brunner had the audacity to write:
> You went to a great deal of trouble to write this message. But do the
reader a favor and break it up a bit. I looked at the SOLID screen of
words and sorry, I just couldn't read it.
To be perfectly blunt, Earl, give the woman a break; HER STUDIO JUST BURNED
DOWN!!!!!!!! I think she can write however she damn well pleases. God
knows I"m one of the pickiest people on the planet when it comes to this
kind of thing, but geez.........you had to add insult to injury!?!
L
william schran on tue 29 jul 03
Margaret wrote about a studio fire that has destroyed much of her
equipment and supplies. My heart goes out to you for your loss. Just
remember - it's only "stuff" that can be replaced - it wasn't a
person - irreplaceable!
She wrote about rotating kilns on a single plug and this got me
thinking. Is it better to unplug the kiln or leave the plug in the
outlet to maintain a snug fit? Will repeated removal of the plug make
the outlet contacts loose and contribute to heating/melting/fire?
I've replaced all of the outlets and 2 plugs/cords on our kilns at
school. A thread on this subject some time back got me to check the
plugs and outlets and I found them in various states of beginning to
melt. The other kilns are hard wired, but I also opened all the panel
covers and checked the state of connections - ok so far.
Bill - Down here in south Stafford County, VA where the stone wall in
the lower creek is finally finished - 100' long X 4/5' high, 24 tons
of rock! Just got delivery of an additional 9 tons of rock for the
upper area of the creek.....
Kenneth J. Nowicki on tue 29 jul 03
Margaret,
I'm so sorry to hear about your loss through fire and the situation at home.
You might try contacting CERF (Craft Emergency Relief Fund) for help. This is
precisely the kind of emergency that this non-profit group was created for...
craftspeople in need in times of emergencies. I am sure that they can assist
you in helping you get your studio back on it's feet in one way or another...
certainly worth the phone call anyway. Give them a try.
C E R F
Craft Emergency Relief Fund
P.O. box 838
Montpelier, VT 05601
(802) 229-2306
(802) 223-6484 - Fax
info@craftemergency.org
www.craftemergency.org
For the rest of my fellow Clayarters... you might consider a small tax
deductible donation to this worthwhile organization. I try to give them a little
something each year and have been a donor for a number of years now. I hope that
I never have to give them a call and ask for help, but it's nice to know that
they are there if such an emergency arose and I needed help. Worse case
scenario, at least you can feel good knowing that your $20 here, or $50 there is
going to help a fellow craftsperson in need... like our own Margaret in Columbia,
SC. Just food for thought.
All the best,
Ken
Kenneth J. Nowicki
Port Washington, NY
RakuArtist@aol.com
..............................................................................
.......
> I think I am possibly in some sort of shock and have not emotionally
> digested the loss.my insurer made me promise not to have a kiln in the a
seperate
> building and didn't cover my ''kiln building'' and since I HAD TRIED TO BE
> SO CAREFUL IN GETTING THE BEST WIRING POSSIBLE DONE that I accepted
> it to get the rest of the place covered, even if I had more of the pricy
stuff in the
> uninsured building I THOUHGT because I HAD DONE THINGS CORRECTLY I
> wouldn't have too much to worry about.
psci_kw on tue 29 jul 03
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth J. Nowicki"
> C E R F
> Craft Emergency Relief Fund
> P.O. box 838
> Montpelier, VT 05601
> (802) 229-2306
> (802) 223-6484 - Fax
> info@craftemergency.org
> www.craftemergency.org
>
> For the rest of my fellow Clayarters... you might consider a small tax
> deductible donation to this worthwhile organization. I try to give them a
little
> something each year and have been a donor for a number of years now. I
hope that
> I never have to give them a call and ask for help, but it's nice to know
that
> they are there if such an emergency arose and I needed help. Worse case
> scenario, at least you can feel good knowing that your $20 here, or $50
there is
> going to help a fellow craftsperson in need... like our own Margaret in
Columbia,
> SC. Just food for thought.
Ken: That's an excellent suggestion. An organization I didn't even know
existed, and one that actually helps. Thanks for the tip!
Wayne in Key West
Victoria E. Hamilton on thu 28 jul 05
Leland -
I don't know quite what to say.
What do you need? What can we provide? Please let us know.
Vicki Hamilton
Millennia Antica Pottery
Seattle, WA
Millennia-antica@email.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Leland G. Hall
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 18:41
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Fire
Some of you will remember me. Before The Wheel Enterprises. Leland Hall.
I have been unable to particapate with the list for a year of so for
various reasons.
I lost my studio today. It's still partially standing. Wheel is probably
ok. Most all else is lost. I don't know what to say.
I can't read the messages on clayart, it comes into my e-mail, but I cant
read it. Dont know why. Right now I really wish I could talk to you all.
That would be nice. Maybe Judy, my partner can fix outlook express so I
can read clayart again. I'll ask her.
Leland and Judy
Before The Wheel Enterprises
Raku Pottery and Sculture
La Pine Oregon
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Leland G. Hall on thu 28 jul 05
Some of you will remember me. Before The Wheel Enterprises. Leland Hall.
I have been unable to particapate with the list for a year of so for
various reasons.
I lost my studio today. It's still partially standing. Wheel is probably
ok. Most all else is lost. I don't know what to say.
I can't read the messages on clayart, it comes into my e-mail, but I cant
read it. Dont know why. Right now I really wish I could talk to you all.
That would be nice. Maybe Judy, my partner can fix outlook express so I
can read clayart again. I'll ask her.
Leland and Judy
Before The Wheel Enterprises
Raku Pottery and Sculture
La Pine Oregon
marianne kuiper milks on fri 29 jul 05
Dear Leland,
I am so sad to read what happened to you. Apparently
you had a fire, maybe weather/storm...and after enough
other troubles hinted at.
Is there something I can do to help? You are so far
away...in the "old days" we would would have done a
barn (studio) raising. I wish there were people out
there who would do that, from one potter to another.
You're a huge distance from me, but I would come and
pitch in!
Please let me (us) know how everything is going and,
truly, if you need help. Perhaps I can.
Thinking of you,
Marianne
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Maurice Weitman on fri 29 jul 05
Greetings, folks,
In case some of you may have missed the fact that Leland has been
unable to read clayart, it would be useful to him if you would send
your messages meant for him to his email address
Leland Hall
rather than to the clayart list.
Regards,
Maurice
m.mshelomi on fri 29 jul 05
Have to second that... Have tools, can follow directions
and am willing to travel... Let me know when and where...
pottermim
> Is there something I can do to help? You are so far
> away...in the "old days" we would have done a
> barn (studio) raising. I wish there were people out
> there who would do that, from one potter to another.
> You're a huge distance from me, but I would come and
> pitch in!
>
> Please let me (us) know how everything is going and,
> truly, if you need help. Perhaps I can.
>
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