The Potter's Edge on sun 3 aug 03
Ellie,
Sounds like your professor is an @$$. Some of this passage will sound like
I'm some WWII vet but I swear I'm only 33. I've served in two wars, been
through one divorce, 3 colleges, 2 degrees and pressure is only self
inflicted (believe me, I'm a pressure cooker). What has continually killed
me with the halls of academe/oppression is that those in the driver's seat
seek to mandate their viewpoints on others. Those who oppress know nothing
or want nothing short of that goal. Vision and want should not be
nourished; they should be snuffed...if that vision defies the norm...Heck,
you're 50 and should be counting the days to Social Security...why bother
the up-and-comers with a statement 3 decades too late...what can you
possibly say? On the other end, when I got into trouble at the age of 15, my
father (a current legal ethics professor...what an oxymoron)... brought me
to Angola Prison, La. and told me that I would end up there. I told him
that aside from the stark decor, I kind of liked the place. Although I've
been in jail on 5 continents (never found guilty and something that I pride
myself on) I never graced the walls of Angola...go take a cr@p on the guys
desk and tell him to find a new job. There is an associated responsibility
with teaching aside from the tutelage...that responsibility is hope for
those who seek it. Unless you just really suck (and I doubt that you do
because you weren't pushed through college on a football scholarship at age
50) this guy/gal may have handed you an injustice.
Hope that I haven't offended any scholarly clerics out there...If you're
reading this forum then you probably care more about the craft than your own
cool points...(for the record I'm a plebian who just happens to excel in the
craft) and I honestly love Prof. Mark Gasorousky from LSU...he's not into
clay...he's into thought.
Regards
VXNERVE
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Ellie Blair
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:53 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: rate current MFA programs
Tony, I would like this information too. I completed my degree in ceramics
in 2002. I wanted to go on and get my masters but my professor told me I
should forget it and just make pots. I was too old to take on that
pressure. I am 53 and it really ticked me off. I can't believe that his
opinion is the norm out there. I still am checking into the possibility and
would like the info.
Thanks
Ellie Blair
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ferguson
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:17 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: rate current MFA programs
I will be applying for MFA this Fall in the attempts to complete a dream
that has been back burnered.
I would be curious as to the top 10 MFA programs in clay? I am looking for
a strong program in clay as well as sculpture and possibly glass. All 2
cents and opinions very welcomed. I understand there is much variability in
what makes a program "top" out there; none the less, I know many of you are
aware of who is dynamic and providing an exemplary experience for MFA
candidates. I am somewhat aware in my region. I also understand there has
been much turn over in terms of new professors, so there may be many
programs that are "new" in the sense of new leadership in teaching.
Also, has anyone heard anything about the two new professors at University
of Minnesota and the future of what appears to be a new program?
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku and more
by Coleman, Ferguson, Winchester...
www.aquariusartgallery.com
218-727-6339
315 N. Lake Ave
Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
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Tony Ferguson on sun 3 aug 03
I will be applying for MFA this Fall in the attempts to complete a dream =
that has been back burnered.
I would be curious as to the top 10 MFA programs in clay? I am looking =
for a strong program in clay as well as sculpture and possibly glass. =
All 2 cents and opinions very welcomed. I understand there is much =
variability in what makes a program "top" out there; none the less, I =
know many of you are aware of who is dynamic and providing an exemplary =
experience for MFA candidates. I am somewhat aware in my region. I =
also understand there has been much turn over in terms of new =
professors, so there may be many programs that are "new" in the sense of =
new leadership in teaching.
Also, has anyone heard anything about the two new professors at =
University of Minnesota and the future of what appears to be a new =
program?
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku and more
by Coleman, Ferguson, Winchester...
www.aquariusartgallery.com
218-727-6339
315 N. Lake Ave
Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
Ellie Blair on sun 3 aug 03
Tony, I would like this information too. I completed my degree in cerami=
cs in 2002. I wanted to go on and get my masters but my professor told m=
e I should forget it and just make pots. I was too old to take on that p=
ressure. I am 53 and it really ticked me off. I can't believe that his =
opinion is the norm out there. I still am checking into the possibility =
and would like the info. =20
Thanks
Ellie Blair
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ferguson
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:17 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: rate current MFA programs
I will be applying for MFA this Fall in the attempts to complete a dream =
that has been back burnered.
I would be curious as to the top 10 MFA programs in clay? I am looking f=
or a strong program in clay as well as sculpture and possibly glass. All=
2 cents and opinions very welcomed. I understand there is much variabil=
ity in what makes a program "top" out there; none the less, I know many o=
f you are aware of who is dynamic and providing an exemplary experience f=
or MFA candidates. I am somewhat aware in my region. I also understand =
there has been much turn over in terms of new professors, so there may be=
many programs that are "new" in the sense of new leadership in teaching.
Also, has anyone heard anything about the two new professors at Universit=
y of Minnesota and the future of what appears to be a new program?
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku and more
by Coleman, Ferguson, Winchester...
www.aquariusartgallery.com
218-727-6339
315 N. Lake Ave
Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
_________________________________________________________________________=
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Ellie Blair on mon 4 aug 03
Thanks for the words of encouragement.
Ellie
----- Original Message -----
From: The Potter's Edge
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 6:20 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: rate current MFA programs
Ellie,
Sounds like your professor is an @$$. Some of this passage will sound li=
ke
I'm some WWII vet but I swear I'm only 33. I've served in two wars, been
through one divorce, 3 colleges, 2 degrees and pressure is only self
inflicted (believe me, I'm a pressure cooker). What has continually kill=
ed
me with the halls of academe/oppression is that those in the driver's sea=
t
seek to mandate their viewpoints on others. Those who oppress know nothi=
ng
or want nothing short of that goal. Vision and want should not be
nourished; they should be snuffed...if that vision defies the norm...Heck=
,
you're 50 and should be counting the days to Social Security...why bother
the up-and-comers with a statement 3 decades too late...what can you
possibly say? On the other end, when I got into trouble at the age of 15,=
my
father (a current legal ethics professor...what an oxymoron)... brought m=
e
to Angola Prison, La. and told me that I would end up there. I told him
that aside from the stark decor, I kind of liked the place. Although I'v=
e
been in jail on 5 continents (never found guilty and something that I pri=
de
myself on) I never graced the walls of Angola...go take a cr@p on the guy=
s
desk and tell him to find a new job. There is an associated responsibili=
ty
with teaching aside from the tutelage...that responsibility is hope for
those who seek it. Unless you just really suck (and I doubt that you do
because you weren't pushed through college on a football scholarship at a=
ge
50) this guy/gal may have handed you an injustice.
Hope that I haven't offended any scholarly clerics out there...If you're
reading this forum then you probably care more about the craft than your =
own
cool points...(for the record I'm a plebian who just happens to excel in =
the
craft) and I honestly love Prof. Mark Gasorousky from LSU...he's not into
clay...he's into thought.
Regards
VXNERVE
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Ellie Blair
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:53 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: rate current MFA programs
Tony, I would like this information too. I completed my degree in cerami=
cs
in 2002. I wanted to go on and get my masters but my professor told me I
should forget it and just make pots. I was too old to take on that
pressure. I am 53 and it really ticked me off. I can't believe that his
opinion is the norm out there. I still am checking into the possibility =
and
would like the info.
Thanks
Ellie Blair
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ferguson
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:17 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: rate current MFA programs
I will be applying for MFA this Fall in the attempts to complete a dream
that has been back burnered.
I would be curious as to the top 10 MFA programs in clay? I am looking f=
or
a strong program in clay as well as sculpture and possibly glass. All 2
cents and opinions very welcomed. I understand there is much variability=
in
what makes a program "top" out there; none the less, I know many of you a=
re
aware of who is dynamic and providing an exemplary experience for MFA
candidates. I am somewhat aware in my region. I also understand there h=
as
been much turn over in terms of new professors, so there may be many
programs that are "new" in the sense of new leadership in teaching.
Also, has anyone heard anything about the two new professors at Universit=
y
of Minnesota and the future of what appears to be a new program?
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku and more
by Coleman, Ferguson, Winchester...
www.aquariusartgallery.com
218-727-6339
315 N. Lake Ave
Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
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Larry Kruzan on mon 4 aug 03
I ask for my tuition back!!!!! My professors at Bradley University all push
us to go on for a MFA if we are serious about art. I'm 48 and plan to go
for it as soon as I finish the BFA. One more year.
Larry Kruzan
(snip)
forget it and just make pots. I was too old to take on that pressure. I am
53 and it really ticked me off.
(snip)
Ellie Blair
iandol on wed 6 aug 03
Dear Friends,
A lot of noise about the academic side of tertiary studies. But how =
about the financials. Just how far are you willing to go into debt. What =
is the price, in cash terms, of an MFA today.
Down here for a BA the asking price is about $4500 per year, paid up =
front plus other charges.
What price applies in other countries.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia.
Tony Ferguson on thu 7 aug 03
Ivor,
Tution is so out of control--the business and banks have got a hold of it
and milking it for whatever they can get, "here, I'll give you a loan for a
life time!" Soon only the upper middle class and rich will be able to
afford higher education. Funny how paying on 47,000 worth of loans makes me
appreciative that I could borrow the money and yet resentful as I feel the
system takes advantage, yet again, of folks who need those loans to go to
school.
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku and more
by Coleman, Ferguson, Winchester...
www.aquariusartgallery.com
218-727-6339
315 N. Lake Ave
Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
----- Original Message -----
From: "iandol"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: rate current MFA programs
Dear Friends,
A lot of noise about the academic side of tertiary studies. But how about
the financials. Just how far are you willing to go into debt. What is the
price, in cash terms, of an MFA today.
Down here for a BA the asking price is about $4500 per year, paid up front
plus other charges.
What price applies in other countries.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia.
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Ellie Blair on thu 7 aug 03
In the middle of the United States it costs $3500 a year. That is also p=
aid up front and only counts tuition and books.
Ellie Blair
Lawrence, Kansas
----- Original Message -----
From: iandol
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 6:56 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: rate current MFA programs
Dear Friends,
A lot of noise about the academic side of tertiary studies. But how about=
the financials. Just how far are you willing to go into debt. What is th=
e price, in cash terms, of an MFA today.
Down here for a BA the asking price is about $4500 per year, paid up fron=
t plus other charges.
What price applies in other countries.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia.
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