John Baymore on sun 10 aug 03
Hi Barbara and all.
Have had a couple people ask me about a lawsuit involving cobalt, don't k=
now =
if a potter is being sued or a potter is suing. Anyone know?
I saw the post questioning about the cobalt lawsuit. Knew it existed. I =
forwarded =
a copy of the post to Monona Rossol at ACTS in NYC. She sent back the fo=
llowing email =
and asked me to post it to the list:
best,
................john
-----------------------Forward from Monona Rossol-----------------------
The potter is alleging disability from years of exposure to cobalt (and s=
ome =
manganese). He is suing the ceramic supplier for failure to warn becaus=
e the =
labels were essentially nonexistent in the 1970s and 1980s and are still =
inadequate. The case goes to trial starting Monday, August 11. I am one=
of the =
expert witnesses and if there is no settlement and/or gag order, I'll be =
writing it up in ACTS FACTS and will provide information to CLAYART if I =
remember.
Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A.,
industrial hygienist
Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
181 Thompson St., #23
New York NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
John Baymore
River Bend Pottery
22 Riverbend Way
Wilton, NH 03086-5812 USA
JBaymore@compuserve.com
http://www.JohnBaymore.com
603-654-2752 (studio)
800-900-1110 (studio)
"Earth, Water, and Fire Noborigama Woodfiring Workshop: August 15-24, 20=
03"=
Barbara Reeley on sun 10 aug 03
Have had a couple people ask me about a lawsuit involving cobalt, don't know
if a potter is being sued or a potter is suing. Anyone know?
Barbara
In Upstate NY - where summer is in full swing
Rare - Earth - Design on mon 11 aug 03
Now,
This is the kind of SHIT which really gets me mad.
Some years ago I called Monona Rossol an "ambulance chaser". I am still of
that opinion. I will stop now. Janet Kaiser can you just hear my keyboard
getting
a hammering from your side of the pond?????
The sad bit is this Idiot will probably get $000,000 for being a F***ing
NoBrain,
and miss Rossol will perhaps get enough to get her memory fixed.
Bob Hollis
Maybe we could all sue God for creating us in such a way as allows us to get
disabled?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Baymore"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 4:40 AM
-----------------------Forward from Monona Rossol-----------------------
The potter is alleging disability from years of exposure to cobalt (and some
manganese). He is suing the ceramic supplier for failure to warn because
the
labels were essentially nonexistent in the 1970s and 1980s and are still
inadequate. The case goes to trial starting Monday, August 11. I am one of
the
expert witnesses and if there is no settlement and/or gag order, I'll be
writing it up in ACTS FACTS and will provide information to CLAYART if I
remember.
Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A.,
industrial hygienist
Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
181 Thompson St., #23
New York NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Baymore
River Bend Pottery
22 Riverbend Way
Wilton, NH 03086-5812 USA
JBaymore@compuserve.com
http://www.JohnBaymore.com
603-654-2752 (studio)
800-900-1110 (studio)
"Earth, Water, and Fire Noborigama Woodfiring Workshop: August 15-24, 2003"
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Craig Martell on mon 11 aug 03
Bob sez:
>Maybe we could all sue God for creating us in such a way as allows us to get
>disabled?
Hi:
When I was doing physical therapy some years back the therapist said: "We
haven't evolved very well into the life we have made for ourselves." I
then said: "OK, but I've done all the excercises so can I get in the pool
now?"
later, Craig Martell Hopewell, Oregon
Mert & Holly Kilpatrick on mon 11 aug 03
Prepare for the price of cobalt to get even higher. If the supplier doesn't
go out of business altogether. Maybe not from that one lawsuit. Maybe it
will be this lawsuit, and the one about dioxins, or whatever. It all adds
up.
Holly
East Bangor, PA
>The potter is alleging disability from years of exposure to cobalt (and
some
>manganese). He is suing the ceramic supplier for failure to warn because
the
>labels were essentially nonexistent in the 1970s and 1980s and are still
>inadequate.
Steve Mills on wed 13 aug 03
Whether we like it or not an ever increasing amount of information is
becoming available on the toxicity or not of the materials we use. There
is also an increasing amount of information on how to increase our
quality of life and cure the ills that not too long ago spelled death to
so many.
We can't have one without the other.
There is also a considerable increase in the practice of suing all and
sundry for compensation for our ills, fostered by a section of the
*Legal* profession who know a fast buck when they see one (This is on
the increase on this side of the pond as the growing amount of adverts
on TV for this *service* shows). Historically there are many who have
suffered terribly from the corner cutting practices of many
corporations, making money before researching their poisonous products.
Some redress is happening, but far too late for many.
Again we can't have one without the other.
We need the Monona Rossol's of this world to enable us to make our own
choices. It is her area of expertise, she is not a killjoy, she is an
educator and provider of information. To describe her as an *Ambulance
Chaser* is wildly inaccurate and insulting.
Would you prefer to have your information not at all, before, or after
you become ill?
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
In message , Rare - Earth - Design writes
>Now,
>This is the kind of SHIT which really gets me mad.
>Some years ago I called Monona Rossol an "ambulance chaser". I am still o=
>f
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
Rare - Earth - Design on thu 14 aug 03
Dear Steve Mills,
You have been on Clayart long enough to have read many previous scripts
from Monona to realise she is in court a hell of a lot, and she is usually
aiding
someone who is suing.
In today's world, what will or will not kill is all there for anyone to see
and
if there are things/materials one works with and you do not research them,
so making this part of your expertise then you are a fool at least and at
worst
a total idiot. THEN you make your own choice and in making your choice
you can decide again to be stupid or not.
You, like I, do not know Ms. Rossol but are entitled to our opinions so I
remain wildly, you at least got that bit correct, inaccurate and insulting
as you
have not given one iota of evidence to the contrary.
Bob Hollis, who has the courage to address you in a proper manner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Mills"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: Cobalt News?
> We need the Monona Rossol's of this world to enable us to make our own
> choices. It is her area of expertise, she is not a killjoy, she is an
> educator and provider of information. To describe her as an *Ambulance
> Chaser* is wildly inaccurate and insulting.
> Would you prefer to have your information not at all, before, or after
> you become ill?
>
> Steve Mills
> Bath
> UK
>
>
> In message , Rare - Earth - Design writes
> >Now,
> >This is the kind of SHIT which really gets me mad.
> >Some years ago I called Monona Rossol an "ambulance chaser". I am still
o=
> >f
> --
> Steve Mills
> Bath
> UK
>
>
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Ron Roy on thu 14 aug 03
I could not agree more with Steve on this.
Monona has provided a book we can all afford - it gives us the information
we need to make intelligent choices. How we use that information is up to
us of course - but we would do well to at least know where the dangers are.
The Artists Complete Health and Safety Guide - by Monona Rossol - Allworth
Press - ISBN 1-880559-18-8
Mine is the 2nd edition - there may be a third by now.
Say what you want about high court awards - they get things changed - fast.
RR
>Whether we like it or not an ever increasing amount of information is
>becoming available on the toxicity or not of the materials we use. There
>is also an increasing amount of information on how to increase our
>quality of life and cure the ills that not too long ago spelled death to
>so many.
>We can't have one without the other.
>There is also a considerable increase in the practice of suing all and
>sundry for compensation for our ills, fostered by a section of the
>*Legal* profession who know a fast buck when they see one (This is on
>the increase on this side of the pond as the growing amount of adverts
>on TV for this *service* shows). Historically there are many who have
>suffered terribly from the corner cutting practices of many
>corporations, making money before researching their poisonous products.
>Some redress is happening, but far too late for many.
>Again we can't have one without the other.
>We need the Monona Rossol's of this world to enable us to make our own
>choices. It is her area of expertise, she is not a killjoy, she is an
>educator and provider of information. To describe her as an *Ambulance
>Chaser* is wildly inaccurate and insulting.
>Would you prefer to have your information not at all, before, or after
>you become ill?
>
>Steve Mills
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
Fax: 613-475-3513
Hendrix, Taylor J. on thu 14 aug 03
There sure is a 3rd edition, Ron.
The artist's complete health and safety guide /=20
Monona Rossol
2001 3rd ed.=20
English Book x, 405 p. ; 23 cm.=20
New York : Allworth Press : Graphic Artists Guild, ISBN: 1581152043
(pbk.)=20
Never mess with a vegitarian librarian or as Arti calls me
vegitalibrarian!
Taylor, in Waco
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Roy [mailto:ronroy@TOTAL.NET]=20
...
Mine is the 2nd edition - there may be a third by now.
...
Steve Mills on sat 16 aug 03
Dear Bob Hollis,
Yes, a lot of information is available, though a some is at best
inaccurate and at worst a downright fabrication. I know from my own
involvement with Material Safety Data on this side of the pond, that far
too many companies pay lip service to the requirement that they publish
them, but the *information* they put in them is to all intents and
purposes useless, This problem is not confined to the UK. If you want to
know how dangerous or not a material is these documents won't tell you.
They are obeying a regulation, no more.
We need specialists to chart this minefield, and when we have them they
are often called upon to give expert evidence; it comes with the
territory.
How much of Monona's output have you read?
Because of my job I've read enough to feel that she is thorough and
accurate and an important resource.
You are of course allowed your opinions.
I still think you were unnecessarily rude,
and wrong as well.
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
In message , Rare - Earth - Design writes
>Dear Steve Mills,
>
>You have been on Clayart long enough to have read many previous scripts
>=66rom Monona to realise she is in court a hell of a lot, and she is usua=
>lly
>aiding
>someone who is suing.
>In today's world, what will or will not kill is all there for anyone to s=
>ee
>and
>if there are things/materials one works with and you do not research them=
>,
>so making this part of your expertise then you are a fool at least and at
>worst
>a total idiot. THEN you make your own choice and in making your choice
>you can decide again to be stupid or not.
>You, like I, do not know Ms. Rossol but are entitled to our opinions so =
>I
>remain wildly, you at least got that bit correct, inaccurate and insultin=
>g
>as you
>have not given one iota of evidence to the contrary.
>
>Bob Hollis, who has the courage to address you in a proper manner
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
Ron Roy on mon 18 aug 03
Again - I find myself in complete agreement with Steve. I do know Monona
and I have the utmost respect for her dedication and integrity.
I subscribe to her news letter not only to support her work but because
there is often information that is directly applicable to clay and glazes.
She believes in what she is doing and keeps abreast of the latest research.
If any one wishes to subscribe to her news letter -
Email: ACTSNY@cs.com
Web: http://www.caseweb.com/ACTS
Subscriptions are $20 US per year - add $3 for Canada and Mexico
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY,
10012-2586
Tel: 212/777-0062
RR
>Yes, a lot of information is available, though a some is at best
>inaccurate and at worst a downright fabrication. I know from my own
>involvement with Material Safety Data on this side of the pond, that far
>too many companies pay lip service to the requirement that they publish
>them, but the *information* they put in them is to all intents and
>purposes useless, This problem is not confined to the UK. If you want to
>know how dangerous or not a material is these documents won't tell you.
>They are obeying a regulation, no more.
>We need specialists to chart this minefield, and when we have them they
>are often called upon to give expert evidence; it comes with the
>territory.
>How much of Monona's output have you read?
>Because of my job I've read enough to feel that she is thorough and
>accurate and an important resource.
>Steve Mills
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
Fax: 613-475-3513
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