Eric B on wed 17 sep 03
just curious -- for those of you who are juried-show participants:
are most such shows still requiring physical slides to be mailed to them?
are there any who are allowing applications to be submitted with digital photos
instead (either snail-mailed on a diskette or emailed as an attachment)?
thanks.
eric
Bob Nicholson on wed 17 sep 03
An interesting news item was posted in the Crafts Report
forum. Kodak will discontinue the sale of slide projectors
in 2004. A message from Kodak was sent to museums,
conservators, and academic institutions, in order to "allow
time for adoption of a replacement technology or
purchase of backup slide projector products."
Ready or not... I guess we're all going digital.
Tim McCracken on thu 18 sep 03
I guess I am coming on the "scene" at the right time. I have been
wondering about entering my first shows, and how I would get my digital
images transferred to slides, and what quality digital image is required
to make a good slide. Maybe I am lucky not to have the slide setup.
From my perspective, the electronic format is a blessing. Depending on
the necessary quality (TBD, for me) of digital photography, the
electronic medium is the right place to be. The ability to cheaply
take, review, and delete images seems a blessing as compared to
conventional emulsion film slides.
I have not yet gone through the digital to slide conversion necessary to
enter today's shows. Any advice on the process, and good vendors to
take and convert digital images to slides would be appreciated.
To speak to the concern of it being difficult/costly to store digital
images. To me, hard drives are a very viable medium. I recently
purchased a 160 GB hard drive for $90. Even if we are talking about a
10Mb file for each image, that means (click, click, rumble, click.)
16,000 images on that drive, or less than a penny each. Oh, and if I
had 16,000 pots to photograph. that would be a problem!
Take care, happy potting, and happy photo imaging.
Tim McCracken
timsmccracken@yahoo.com
John Baymore on thu 18 sep 03
An interesting news item was posted in the Crafts Report
forum. Kodak will discontinue the sale of slide projectors
in 2004. A message from Kodak was sent to museums,
conservators, and academic institutions, in order to "allow
time for adoption of a replacement technology or
purchase of backup slide projector products."
=
Bob,
Holy ^%$#. I subscribe to CR and missed that . THANKS. I think .
Wow....... now there is an interesting change looming. Slide projectors
going the way of the open reel tape deck. (I still have one a good Akai
crystal ferrite head one .)
This means that the price of digital video projectors will start coming
down as the "modern world" shifts to that newer technology. But at first=
it is going to be hard to "bite the bullet" on getting a good quality
digital projector. Those puppy's aren't cheap right now...... and to riv=
al
the quality of a slide image that a visual artist is used to looking at
blown up to 8 feet by 12 feet....... the cheaper ones just won't do the
job. To replace something like a $500 slide projector will probably take=
something like a $2000 digital projector until the price drops an awful
lot. Great for Kodak . Bet they will make digital ones if they don't=
already.
And this means that slide FILM is likely to start becoming a bit more
scarse and pricer.......... as well as the processing for it. And soon i=
t
too will be gone. Then we will have no choice but to replace our good
higher end film cameras with good higher end digital ones. And digital
cameras with interchangable optics (lenses) that will produce output to
project a clean "film quality" image in larg sizes are themselves not
cheap.
This "change over" will likely cost all of us quite a few hard earned buc=
ks
in the next 5 years or so as we upgrade all our photo equipment ...=
and maybe even computers too so that they can handle all this well. An=
d
now we'll likely have a "run" on the good Ektagraphics that are still
around...... driving the current prices up ..... as the visual artists ru=
sh
to stock up before "the big change".
It is also interesting to think that all those piles of slides most of us=
likely have sitting around will soon become about as useful as the 7" ree=
ls
of recording tape from the 50's and early 60's are now. We'll have to
either keep old rusty, dusty Ektagraphis sitting around..... (and keep th=
em
running) ......... or convert =
the huge number of slides we have into digital images. To do that
conversion will require lots of "pain in the butt" time... and MASSIVE
amounts of digital storage medium . Hard drives are pretty much out ....=
..
files are too big...... have to burn to CD. Which is itself also startin=
g
to go the way of the dodo as the DVD format tends to take over even for
mass storage.
Archival record keeping in the arts is becoming an interesting problem. =
Is
anyone still able to read tha data you might have stored on an old 5 1/4"=
360K floppy not all that long ago?
And in a few years.... we'll all be figuring out how to transfer the
images we have on those ancient old CD's (some that used to be on that
archaeic medium.......slides) over the the new optical CL (Crystal Latice=
)
cube format. =
best,
..................john
PS: Methinks we should all be writing to Kodak and saying ..... hey...
wait a minute...remember us.
John Baymore
River Bend Pottery
22 Riverbend Way
Wilton, NH 03086-5812 USA
JBaymore@compuserve.com
http://www.JohnBaymore.com
603-654-2752 (studio)
800-900-1110 (studio)
Hal Mc Whinnie on thu 18 sep 03
I have found a new and better way to make slides for showing to galleries etc.
Use your regular slide film but have the images put on cd which many photo
processers such as photo works in seattle will do.
you then have a separate slide protofiop and you can print your own photos by
computer.
you can also prepare sslide lectures which can be projected on a screen from
most computers
Lois Ruben Aronow on thu 18 sep 03
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:53:51 EDT, you wrote:
>just curious -- for those of you who are juried-show participants:
>
>are most such shows still requiring physical slides to be mailed to =
them?
>are there any who are allowing applications to be submitted with digital=
photos
>instead (either snail-mailed on a diskette or emailed as an attachment)?
>
Most shows are, but the Smithsonian asks for entries to be submitted
digitally. This is the second year they have done this. Also, there
is a surcharge for slide entries, to cover the cost of being converted
to digital.
I think there was quite a lively discussion about this last year.
************
www.loisaronow.com
=46ine Craft Porcelain and Pottery
New Work for Summer 2003
New Show and Retail information
Nick Molatore on sat 20 sep 03
www.slides.com will convert digital images to slides. They look great, but
are expensive. If I remember right, they are about $5.00 each!
-Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim McCracken"
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kodak discontinues slide projectors
> I guess I am coming on the "scene" at the right time. I have been
> wondering about entering my first shows, and how I would get my digital
> images transferred to slides, and what quality digital image is required
> to make a good slide. Maybe I am lucky not to have the slide setup.
>
> From my perspective, the electronic format is a blessing. Depending on
> the necessary quality (TBD, for me) of digital photography, the
> electronic medium is the right place to be. The ability to cheaply
> take, review, and delete images seems a blessing as compared to
> conventional emulsion film slides.
>
> I have not yet gone through the digital to slide conversion necessary to
> enter today's shows. Any advice on the process, and good vendors to
> take and convert digital images to slides would be appreciated.
>
> To speak to the concern of it being difficult/costly to store digital
> images. To me, hard drives are a very viable medium. I recently
> purchased a 160 GB hard drive for $90. Even if we are talking about a
> 10Mb file for each image, that means (click, click, rumble, click.)
> 16,000 images on that drive, or less than a penny each. Oh, and if I
> had 16,000 pots to photograph. that would be a problem!
>
> Take care, happy potting, and happy photo imaging.
>
> Tim McCracken
> timsmccracken@yahoo.com
>
Nick Molatore on sun 21 sep 03
A slide scanner does the opposite of what is wanted. It scans a slide and
turns it into a digital image.
What I needed was to take a digital picture that was taken with a digital
camera and turn it into a slide for juried shows.
I will be thrilled when shows no longer require slides!
-Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Pitelka"
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kodak discontinues slide projectors
> > www.slides.com will convert digital images to slides. They look great,
> but
> > are expensive. If I remember right, they are about $5.00 each!
>
> Nick -
> You can get some great deals on slide scanners on eBay, and it wouldn't
take
> very many slides at $5.00 apiece to pay for it. On eBay I bought a great
> Minolta slide scanner brand new for $234, normal price $600. The only
> disadvantage was that it was a SCSII interface, but the necessary adapters
> were easy to come by.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
>
Vince Pitelka on sun 21 sep 03
> www.slides.com will convert digital images to slides. They look great,
but
> are expensive. If I remember right, they are about $5.00 each!
Nick -
You can get some great deals on slide scanners on eBay, and it wouldn't take
very many slides at $5.00 apiece to pay for it. On eBay I bought a great
Minolta slide scanner brand new for $234, normal price $600. The only
disadvantage was that it was a SCSII interface, but the necessary adapters
were easy to come by.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
Tony Ferguson on sun 21 sep 03
Vince,
Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe you are mistaken. There are
slide to digital scanners and digital to slide exposers. The latter is very
expensive and that is why they charge $5 to convert a digital image to a
slide. The former, as you said, you can pick up a pretty good slide scanner
for less than $400 now. The digital to film exposers expose the digital
image onto the slide film much like the camera exposes the image via the
lens onto the film.
A note to digital users: With a 3.3 mega pixel camera you can obtain very
very good results with converting digital to slide. I read the trade
magazines and they say you will never need anything more than a 5 mega pixel
camera to make slides.
I did my booth shot digital and it worked great with my canon g1 3.3 mp.
Next is to further test the gamut of color range with my work and put them
up next to each other for more comparisons--hard to tell folks with my
preliminary comparisons which is slide and which is digital. I have also
used a program called Genuine Fractals (for printing images larger for my
booth) which mathematically interpolates the digital images in effect
allowing you to enlarge it with very little or noticeable degradation--I
would qualify that with saying it all depends on the color make up of the
image--but in general, works well enough to be considered professional and I
have been able to use most images.
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Custom & Manufactured Kiln Design
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku and more
by Coleman, Ferguson, Winchester...
http://www.aquariusartgallery.com
218-727-6339
315 N. Lake Ave
Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Pitelka"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kodak discontinues slide projectors
> > www.slides.com will convert digital images to slides. They look great,
> but
> > are expensive. If I remember right, they are about $5.00 each!
>
> Nick -
> You can get some great deals on slide scanners on eBay, and it wouldn't
take
> very many slides at $5.00 apiece to pay for it. On eBay I bought a great
> Minolta slide scanner brand new for $234, normal price $600. The only
> disadvantage was that it was a SCSII interface, but the necessary adapters
> were easy to come by.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
>
>
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Vince Pitelka on sun 21 sep 03
> Nick -
> You can get some great deals on slide scanners on eBay, and it wouldn't
take
> very many slides at $5.00 apiece to pay for it. On eBay I bought a great
> Minolta slide scanner brand new for $234, normal price $600. The only
> disadvantage was that it was a SCSII interface, but the necessary adapters
> were easy to come by.
My appologies for getting this exactly backwards. Comes from being a little
bit lysdexic. I thought he wanted to make digital images from slides.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
Frank Gaydos on mon 22 sep 03
Buying projectors may be the least of your worries.
We are witnessing a shift from analog to digital.
Camera stores are going out of business at a breathtaking rate.
Read article:
"A paradigm shift" to digital photography is sweeping through the camera
industry, said David Cutler, president of Cutler Camera, a chain of seven
stores in the region.
This year, more digital cameras will be sold than traditional cameras for
the first time, according to Photo Marketing Association International, a
trade group that serves more than 18,000 firms in 100-plus countries.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/6815816.htm
Frank Gaydos
frank.gaydos@verizon.net
Tony Ferguson on mon 22 sep 03
Nick,
You want a digital exposer--exposes digital onto slide film. They are not
cheap, but you may luck out finding one. They people in town have one and
they charge $3 to make a slide. Not a bad price considering I can shoot
pics and ask questions later, correct settings to shoot accurate color (or
Photoshop to tweak for exact color), and get a good slide.
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Custom & Manufactured Kiln Design
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku and more
by Coleman, Ferguson, Winchester...
http://www.aquariusartgallery.com
218-727-6339
315 N. Lake Ave
Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Molatore"
To:
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: Kodak discontinues slide projectors
> A slide scanner does the opposite of what is wanted. It scans a slide and
> turns it into a digital image.
> What I needed was to take a digital picture that was taken with a digital
> camera and turn it into a slide for juried shows.
> I will be thrilled when shows no longer require slides!
> -Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vince Pitelka"
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Kodak discontinues slide projectors
>
>
> > > www.slides.com will convert digital images to slides. They look
great,
> > but
> > > are expensive. If I remember right, they are about $5.00 each!
> >
> > Nick -
> > You can get some great deals on slide scanners on eBay, and it wouldn't
> take
> > very many slides at $5.00 apiece to pay for it. On eBay I bought a
great
> > Minolta slide scanner brand new for $234, normal price $600. The only
> > disadvantage was that it was a SCSII interface, but the necessary
adapters
> > were easy to come by.
> > Best wishes -
> > - Vince
> >
> > Vince Pitelka
> > Appalachian Center for Craft
> > Tennessee Technological University
> > 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> > Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> > 615/597-5376
> > Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> > 615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
> > http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
> >
>
>
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Alex Solla on mon 22 sep 03
Tony-
Having just got my first test slides back from Express Slides I am impressed. $3 a slide, 10 day turn around. Very nice quality. I need to see what this looks like projected across a room like at NCECA before I swear an oath that this process rocks... but for now, they'll get my money. Shooting with a 5mp camera, nice lens, good filters, good light. It can be done!
Alex Solla
Cold Springs Studio
4088 Cold Springs Road
Trumansburg, NY 14886-9175
Tony Ferguson wrote:
Vince,
Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe you are mistaken. There are
slide to digital scanners and digital to slide exposers. The latter is very
expensive and that is why they charge $5 to convert a digital image to a
slide. The former, as you said, you can pick up a pretty good slide scanner
for less than $400 now. The digital to film exposers expose the digital
image onto the slide film much like the camera exposes the image via the
lens onto the film.
A note to digital users: With a 3.3 mega pixel camera you can obtain very
very good results with converting digital to slide. I read the trade
magazines and they say you will never need anything more than a 5 mega pixel
camera to make slides.
I did my booth shot digital and it worked great with my canon g1 3.3 mp.
Next is to further test the gamut of color range with my work and put them
up next to each other for more comparisons--hard to tell folks with my
preliminary comparisons which is slide and which is digital. I have also
used a program called Genuine Fractals (for printing images larger for my
booth) which mathematically interpolates the digital images in effect
allowing you to enlarge it with very little or noticeable degradation--I
would qualify that with saying it all depends on the color make up of the
image--but in general, works well enough to be considered professional and I
have been able to use most images.
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Custom & Manufactured Kiln Design
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku and more
by Coleman, Ferguson, Winchester...
http://www.aquariusartgallery.com
218-727-6339
315 N. Lake Ave
Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Pitelka"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kodak discontinues slide projectors
> > www.slides.com will convert digital images to slides. They look great,
> but
> > are expensive. If I remember right, they are about $5.00 each!
>
> Nick -
> You can get some great deals on slide scanners on eBay, and it wouldn't
take
> very many slides at $5.00 apiece to pay for it. On eBay I bought a great
> Minolta slide scanner brand new for $234, normal price $600. The only
> disadvantage was that it was a SCSII interface, but the necessary adapters
> were easy to come by.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
>
>
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>
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>
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Hank Murrow on mon 22 sep 03
On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Tony Ferguson wrote:
> Nick,
>
> You want a digital exposer--exposes digital onto slide film. They are
> not
> cheap, but you may luck out finding one. They people in town have one
> and
> they charge $3 to make a slide. Not a bad price considering I can
> shoot
> pics and ask questions later, correct settings to shoot accurate color
> (or
> Photoshop to tweak for exact color), and get a good slide.
>
I do not want to continue any controversy on film VS digital, but it is
worth pointing out that the average slow emulsion film (like Fuji
RTP-11) has around 35 MB of equivalent information on each frame. So,
if you are shooting with a 5MB camera like the Sony that I borrow, you
are getting one seventh the resolution that is available. Whether or
not you need it may be the question. BTW, I had a successful slide show
in Roseburg, OR using a KeyNote presentation on a digital projector run
from my Apple Powerbook. The images looked real good even in a large
hall.
Cheers, Hank
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