Louis Katz on sun 21 sep 03
I have been absent for a few years but it seems I have not partaken in
a good ol clayart spelling argument in quite some time. Respectfully,
those of you who spell poorly like me, try to use a spell check. Those
who don't like misspelled words try to hold your tongues. Think ill of
us poor spellers if you must. Poor spelling is a sign of poor spelling.
Sometimes its a sign of hitting the send button too fast.
I have other items I'd rather be involved in. Even the time downloading
a spelling argument again seems a waste. For more on spelling
try:http://www.potters.org/subject20392.htm
and
http://www.potters.org/subject34694.htm
So, to change the subject:
Is there a good, nonfussy way of getting a handle that tapers away from
both the top and bottom attachments? I can fuss and get one but fuss is
not really a fluent language for me.
Louis
Susan Setley on sun 21 sep 03
In a message dated 9/21/03 5:51:49 PM, lkatz@FALCON.TAMUCC.EDU writes:
<< So, to change the subject:
Is there a good, nonfussy way of getting a handle that tapers away from
both the top and bottom attachments? I can fuss and get one but fuss is
not really a fluent language for me.
Louis >>
I haven't tried it, but why couldn't you start with a "carrot" of clay that's
tapered on both ends and then shape both ends as you would a tapered one?
Susan Setley on sun 21 sep 03
In a message dated 9/21/03 5:51:49 PM, lkatz@FALCON.TAMUCC.EDU writes:
<< I have been absent for a few years but it seems I have not partaken in
a good ol clayart spelling argument in quite some time. Respectfully,
those of you who spell poorly like me, try to use a spell check. >>
And I will argue just the opposite. As a recently retired special education
teacher, I can tell you that some people are just poor spellers, just as some
cannot carry a tune. Those who spell easily rarely understand those who do not.
But do you know what correlates VERY HIGHLY with dyslexia?
Artistic ability.
If we were talking face to face and you accidentally made a grammatical error
I would rather fall face down in a puddle than correct you in front of our
mutual friends. It isn't necessary.
Tolerance for individual differences doesn't mean "as long as in my opinion
they could help it." Very often we don't know.
Even after I had finished grad school I didn't understand. My roommate (we
both had jobs teaching by then) said "Would you please look over my thesis and
help me fix the spelling before I turn it in?" I said "Why don't you use a
dictionary?"
Tears rolled down her face and she said "I would if I knew which ones were
wrong, but I don't. If you'll circle them I'll look them up."
Well that sounded like a really bad plan to me. If she didn't know which ones
were wrong, how would she figure out how to look them up? As you can guess,
this was before home computers.
So I just wrote the right spelling in. I had the spelling "golden voice;" she
was spelling "tone deaf."
You don't want to hear me start talking about neuropsychology -- just take my
word on it. But much that we think is "simple" for our brains is far more
complex than most of us realize, and even spell check won't fix everything.
Sometimes it will cause mistakes.
Can't we all just be friendly and supportive, and focus on the ART? It's not
laziness, and it's not stupidity.
If people who don't spell well are to be harped upon in this forum, some of
them will just leave, and we might be driving out some of the most creative
among us.
For heaven's sake, let's stop lecturing each other and setting arbitrary
minimum standards that have absolutely nothing to do with the art and science of
pottery.
Yeah, I saw the "handel" post. I hoped people would let it be. We really
should. There isn't a single flawless person here. If there is -- "c'mon and walk
across my swimmin' pool" for me -- I'd like to see it. :) (Remember GODSPELL?
smile)
Louis Katz on mon 22 sep 03
I am looking at handles that are thicker at both attachments. It may be
that I have not tried pulling 500 of these yet, but so far they are
much slower than normally tapered ones, I start with a "two headed
carrot".
Louis
On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 07:01 PM, Susan Setley wrote:
> In a message dated 9/21/03 5:51:49 PM, lkatz@FALCON.TAMUCC.EDU writes:
>
> << So, to change the subject:
>
> Is there a good, nonfussy way of getting a handle that tapers away from
> both the top and bottom attachments? I can fuss and get one but fuss is
> not really a fluent language for me.
> Louis >>
>
> I haven't tried it, but why couldn't you start with a "carrot" of clay
> that's
> tapered on both ends and then shape both ends as you would a tapered
> one?
>
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Louis Katz on mon 22 sep 03
Dear ThirdRockFan
Wow!
I did not see a Handel post. It sounds like my spelling. I used the
word "try" in "try to use a spell checker" on purpose. My spell check
has learned many misspellings over the years. It accepts recieve and
receive. On a similar subject I accidentally make written grammatical
errors all the time. Without the give and take of face to face, I think
you misunderstood me. Vince wrote once that there is sometimes too long
a distance between my sentences and I think this is often why I am
misunderstood. I also think it is a mild case of familial sarcasmia. I
think the cyclic "discussion" of spelling is one of the things that
drove me from the forum a few years ago. I am just a poor speller. I
rely on spell checks. Fortunately the Mail program provided with Mac OS
X has a good one. On important documents I use a grammar check to find
the "the the" and the "just just 's" as I am not always able to see
them. I could give a hoot about spelling, but I don't like to offend
people so I try. I hope they lighten up though. With out the lightening
the forum excludes.
I think we are on the same side on this one.
Thanks,
Louis
BTW I think that dyslexia is more highly concentrated in the three d
arts.
Third Rock was a scream when I watched it.
Pulling handles with granite chunks in the clay is hard.
On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 07:00 PM, ThirdRockFan@aol.com wrote:
> Can't we all just be friendly and supportive, and focus on the ART?
> It's not
> laziness, and it's not stupidity.
>
I thought this is what I was trying to do.
Susan Setley on mon 22 sep 03
In a message dated 9/22/03 8:20:45 AM, louis.katz@MAIL.TAMUCC.EDU writes:
<< I did not see a Handel post. It sounds like my spelling. I used the
word "try" in "try to use a spell checker" on purpose. My spell check
has learned many misspellings over the years. >>
It is actually possible, however, to have Internet access but no way to spell
check your posts. There can even be good personal reasons to be in that spot.
I'm sorry, but I just am not in agreement with any kind of public discussion
of people's spelling -- unless you're ready for me, an old voice major, to
critique your singing next. :) I would hate to miss out on someone's posts
because they don't spell well.
Malcolm Schosha on mon 22 sep 03
Louis,
If I were doing such handles, I would extrude them the thickness
needed at the ends, and roll them out thiner (on a table) in the
middle. But, perhaps, that would not work for your purpose.
Malcolm
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Louis Katz wrote:
> I am looking at handles that are thicker at both attachments. It
may be
> that I have not tried pulling 500 of these yet, but so far they are
> much slower than normally tapered ones, I start with a "two headed
> carrot".
> Louis
> On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 07:01 PM, Susan Setley wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 9/21/03 5:51:49 PM, lkatz@F... writes:
> >
> > << So, to change the subject:
> >
> > Is there a good, nonfussy way of getting a handle that tapers
away from
> > both the top and bottom attachments? I can fuss and get one but
fuss is
> > not really a fluent language for me.
> > Louis >>
> >
> > I haven't tried it, but why couldn't you start with a "carrot" of
clay
> > that's
> > tapered on both ends and then shape both ends as you would a
tapered
> > one?
> >
> >
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Laurie Kneppel on mon 22 sep 03
Handel is good for throwing. I especially like the Royal Fireworks
Music when I'm throwing bowls.
Laurie
rockyraku.com
> In a message dated 9/22/03 8:20:45 AM, louis.katz@MAIL.TAMUCC.EDU
> writes:
>
> << I did not see a Handel post.
John K Dellow on tue 23 sep 03
Would putting an indent in each end before attaching help.
This is in the cross section and when pushed on to the pot is like a
suckshon cup
,the clay splaying out. This would give a thicker corss section at the
point of joining.
John Dellow "the flower pot man"
Home Page http://www.welcome.to/jkdellow
http://digitalfire.com/education/people/dellow/
iandol on tue 23 sep 03
Dear Louis Katz,=20
Welcome back into the fold. Great to hear a thought provoking post, =
technical wise.
I like the idea of a "Waisted Handle". If you are pulling from the body =
of the pot and I am sure you are well able to do this, it is a matter of =
control and coordination.
Make sure your preform has parallel sides, if possible with an oval =
section, before attaching it to your pot body. Once you have the clay =
mobilised with the first couple of pulls, instruct yourself to squeeze =
and then gradually relax the pressure rather than maintaining a constant =
squeeze or even increasing the pressure as you reach the tail end, (as =
you would for a continuous taper). It may take a few trials to judge the =
amount of clay needed, but once your new motor skill is established I =
feel you will never need to "fuss" over the challenge again.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia
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