Hendrix, Taylor J. on mon 27 oct 03
I've read that multiple foot rings aren't so much an
aesthetic decision as they are for preventing sagging
of the plate during high firing, specifically the
central one. Some potters make little buttons to do
the same job thus aleviating the need to trim a second
interior foot. I like 'em--just inside that curve to
the bottom--one foot the best, two if necessary, three=20
never, but.............
man, the sculptor in me just loves to trim feet!
(not many plates, yet Gayle)
Taylor, in Waco
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:44 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Foot rings on plates
I'm working on a series of plates.
I've been experimenting with foot rings.
I've noticed some plates have none,
while some have one & others have multiple rings.
Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
...
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on mon 27 oct 03
Hi Gayle,
I have never made a Plate!
But if I did, (and I will,) I am certain I should want it to
have a foot or foot-ring as is maybe 3/16ths of an inch deep
or so.
I have looked at the few old Plates as I have handy,
and...they all have smallish feet-rings of about an 1/8th.
of an inch deep or a mite less...a mite more would have been
fine with me...
Keep us posted on your Plate progress...
Phil
Las Vegas
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Subject: Foot rings on plates
> I'm working on a series of plates.
> I've been experimenting with foot rings.
> I've noticed some plates have none,
> while some have one & others have multiple rings.
> Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
> So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
>
> Gayle Bair
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> http://claybair.com
>
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claybair on mon 27 oct 03
I'm working on a series of plates.
I've been experimenting with foot rings.
I've noticed some plates have none,
while some have one & others have multiple rings.
Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
claybair on tue 28 oct 03
Hi David,
Thanks for the great info.
One question...are you saying
you do not glaze the
undersides of your plates?
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of David
Hendley
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:45 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Foot rings on plates
For years I made plates with no footrings, to save time. Most customers
didn't seem to care about it.
One day, I decided that a foot ring really improves the look and feel of a
plate,
and started adding them, increasing the price $5 per plate. I think most
people still either don't care, or are not aware that they care if a plate
has
a foot ring or not. I do.
I make my foot rings about 1/8 to 1/4 inch high. I have found that higher
ones start to look a little funny, as well as interfere with the prongs that
hold the plates in the dishwasher.
Platters might have multiple footrings, but I prefer a single footring near
the outside. I put a thin pancake of clay under the middle of platters
when firing, to keep the centers from slumping down to the kiln shelves.
BTW, as much as I like trimming with Phil's tools, I do not trim my
footrings.
I think it is more efficient to extrude a small bead, attach it to the plate
after trimming the edge a little, and shape it into the footring I want.
Trimming a footring leaves you with lots of clay you have to recycle.
David Hendley
david@farmpots.com
http://www.farmpots.com
> I'm working on a series of plates.
> I've been experimenting with foot rings.
> I've noticed some plates have none,
> while some have one & others have multiple rings.
> Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
> So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
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David Hendley on tue 28 oct 03
For years I made plates with no footrings, to save time. Most customers
didn't seem to care about it.
One day, I decided that a foot ring really improves the look and feel of a
plate,
and started adding them, increasing the price $5 per plate. I think most
people still either don't care, or are not aware that they care if a plate
has
a foot ring or not. I do.
I make my foot rings about 1/8 to 1/4 inch high. I have found that higher
ones start to look a little funny, as well as interfere with the prongs that
hold the plates in the dishwasher.
Platters might have multiple footrings, but I prefer a single footring near
the outside. I put a thin pancake of clay under the middle of platters
when firing, to keep the centers from slumping down to the kiln shelves.
BTW, as much as I like trimming with Phil's tools, I do not trim my
footrings.
I think it is more efficient to extrude a small bead, attach it to the plate
after trimming the edge a little, and shape it into the footring I want.
Trimming a footring leaves you with lots of clay you have to recycle.
David Hendley
david@farmpots.com
http://www.farmpots.com
> I'm working on a series of plates.
> I've been experimenting with foot rings.
> I've noticed some plates have none,
> while some have one & others have multiple rings.
> Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
> So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
Connie Christensen on tue 28 oct 03
Hi Gayle
I trim a foot ring on all my plates for two reasons. First, I like the look
of a foot on a plate and second, I like to trim. I think it just comes down
to personal choice.
Connie Christensen
Denver
www.conniechristensen.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "claybair"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:43 PM
Subject: Foot rings on plates
> I'm working on a series of plates.
> I've been experimenting with foot rings.
> I've noticed some plates have none,
> while some have one & others have multiple rings.
> Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
> So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
>
> Gayle Bair
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> http://claybair.com
>
>
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David Beumee on tue 28 oct 03
Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
> So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
I've thrown many hundreds of plates and platters in the last 30 years, and
I have long since stopped trimming an inner foot ring or touch pad. I use 12
1/2" bats to throw plates, and I simply throw the clay to the edge of the bat.
Using porcelain, I end up with a 10 1/2" to 11" fired plate. I use 5 pds. of
clay for each plate, an increase of one pound per plate over what I had used
for many years, so that I can leave extra clay for the base. This means I can
leave a little more thickness to the bottom, while still leaving about a
quarter inch of space as you lay a straight edge across the footring. The span
between the footring will be about 8 or 9", meaning that in porcelain, if
there were nothing to support the middle bottom of the plate, the clay would
sag in the firing and the plate would be a spinner. I mix 4 parts alumina
hydrate to one part kaolin and mix it with just enough water to make a mixture
I can mold with my fingers. I make a small ball of the mixture and tap it into
a shape about the size of a quarter, about an eighth of an inch thick, and
place it at the center of the bottom of the bisqued and glazed plate as I am
putting the pieces into the kiln. The nerd holds the plate from hitting the
shelf during the firing, and flicks off as you lift the fired plate or platter
off the shelf. I'm not saying touch pads don't work. I just don't like looking
at them, and they add extra weight.
David Beumee
Earth Alchemy Pottery
Lafayette, CO
> I'm working on a series of plates.
> I've been experimenting with foot rings.
> I've noticed some plates have none,
> while some have one & others have multiple rings.
> Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
> So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
>
> Gayle Bair
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> http://claybair.com
>
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Norman van der Sluys on tue 28 oct 03
In my experience a foot ring is desirable on a plate for several
reasons. Large plates are less likely to crack as the bottom surface is
lifted off the kiln shelf, allowing it to cool at a rate closer to that
of the rim. making gaps in the ring might enhance this by allowing for
air circulation.
With a flat bottomed plate there is a chance of the cutoff wire riding
up slightly, making the plate more susceptible to cracking both in
drying and firing.
There is also less area to grind smooth if you are using a body with
grog.
Also I find it rewarding to turn foot rings.
Hope this helps.
> > I'm working on a series of plates.
> > I've been experimenting with foot rings.
> > I've noticed some plates have none,
> > while some have one & others have multiple rings.
> > Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
> > So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
> >
--
Norman van der Sluys
Benona Pottery
Near the shore of Lake Michigan, where our weather seems to be trying to
emulate that of the pacific northwest.
Craig Dunn Clark on tue 28 oct 03
Gayle, for me this is an esthetic question. I prefer the look of
practically any pot, regardless of it's purpose, that has a foot ring. I
believe that the foot, among other things, acts as a pedistal on which the
body of the pot rests. It gives the pot a visual lightness that it would not
otherwise have. This is a matter of personal taste.
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:43 PM
Subject: Foot rings on plates
> I'm working on a series of plates.
> I've been experimenting with foot rings.
> I've noticed some plates have none,
> while some have one & others have multiple rings.
> Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
> So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
>
> Gayle Bair
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> http://claybair.com
>
>
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Pamela Watkins on tue 28 oct 03
Hi Gayle
I appreciate a foot on any piece. It gives a clean, professional touch.
Larger plates and platters are usually the ones with multi-foot rings and I was told for the purpose of a lighter piece. My smaller plates have one.
Peace,
Pamela
~jaq
claybair wrote:
I'm working on a series of plates.
I've been experimenting with foot rings.
I've noticed some plates have none,
while some have one & others have multiple rings.
Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
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Jon Brinley on tue 28 oct 03
To foot ring or not is purely up to the maker. I have plates with both , =
and can't tell you honestly if one is better than the other. My rule of =
thumb is a plate over 10" will get a foot ring. Anything less is a waste =
of time ( IMO ).
Jon in Midland
Where the Sweetgums grow tall
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Hendrix, Taylor J.=20
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Foot rings on plates
I've read that multiple foot rings aren't so much an
aesthetic decision as they are for preventing sagging
of the plate during high firing, specifically the
central one. Some potters make little buttons to do
the same job thus aleviating the need to trim a second
interior foot. I like 'em--just inside that curve to
the bottom--one foot the best, two if necessary, three=20
never, but.............
man, the sculptor in me just loves to trim feet!
(not many plates, yet Gayle)
Taylor, in Waco
-----Original Message-----
From: claybair [mailto:gayle@CLAYBAIR.COM]=20
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:44 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Foot rings on plates
I'm working on a series of plates.
I've been experimenting with foot rings.
I've noticed some plates have none,
while some have one & others have multiple rings.
Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
...
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Lois Ruben Aronow on tue 28 oct 03
I put one foot ring on dinner plates; 2 on platters. My dinner plates
are 12" diam. Platters are bigger than that. I do 2 on platters in
case the center sinks (I use porcelain). The center ring is
dry-footed, and that will keep the platter from sticking to the kiln
shelf when it sinks.
I also use a level (or a long ruler) to check for level, and to make
sure my foot ring is higher than my well. when I first started making
plates, I was trimming too shallow, and made plenty of shelf stickers
and spinners.
I personally don't like plates without rings - they are too casual for
me, and I like to have the underneath glazed. Then again, I trim the
bottom of just about everything I make, including mugs, so it really
is just a personal preference.
************
Lois Ruben Aronow
www.loisaronow.com
Modern Porcelain and Tableware
The Tattoo is back!
Liz Willoughby on tue 28 oct 03
Gayle, I have always felt that the bottom of plates, bowls, mugs,
etc., are very important. You know how we all turn pots over to look
at the "bottoms". I always throw a plate so that there is enough
room to trim a foot ring. I write my signature on the bottom, wax
the footring, glaze the whole plate. It just looks so much better.
Bottoms are important, I wouldn't say as important as the top, but
very important. Sometimes there is a nice surprise there, a swirl
from the trimming tool, or a line or anything to say to the person
looking, "Oh, isn't that nice!". For me it is all part of
"craftsmanship", and just caring enough to make your plate "right".
Meticky Liz from Grafton
>Hi Gayle
>I trim a foot ring on all my plates for two reasons. First, I like the look
>of a foot on a plate and second, I like to trim. I think it just comes down
>to personal choice.
>Connie Christensen
>
>> I'm working on a series of plates.
>> I've been experimenting with foot rings.
>> I've noticed some plates have none,
>> while some have one & others have multiple rings.
>> Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
> > So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
> > Gayle Bair
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Pat Stern on wed 29 oct 03
I handbuild plates. I always put something on the bottom to serve as a "foot ring"--strips, circles, blobs, what ever looks good, to raise the plate off the table--I want to be able to glaze the bottom, having an intense dislike of rough, unfinished bottoms...! Pat---
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David Beumee on wed 29 oct 03
> Hi David,
> Thanks for the great info.
> One question...are you saying
> you do not glaze the
> undersides of your plates?
Actually the arrangement I discussed does allow for glazing the
underside of plates or platters, as the alumina/clay mixture holds the plate
bottom off the shelf. As you are waxing your foot, and for porcelain it's
helpful to add a bit of alumina to the wax, you can wax a little area at the
center bottom of the plate. Then when you attach the alumina/clay mixture
after glazing the plate, just make sure the alumina/clay mixture is inside the
waxed area, not touching any glaze. Works great.
David Beumee
Earth Alchemy Pottery
Lafayette, CO
> Hi David,
> Thanks for the great info.
> One question...are you saying
> you do not glaze the
> undersides of your plates?
>
> Gayle Bair
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> http://claybair.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of David
> Hendley
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:45 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Foot rings on plates
>
>
> For years I made plates with no footrings, to save time. Most customers
> didn't seem to care about it.
> One day, I decided that a foot ring really improves the look and feel of a
> plate,
> and started adding them, increasing the price $5 per plate. I think most
> people still either don't care, or are not aware that they care if a plate
> has
> a foot ring or not. I do.
>
> I make my foot rings about 1/8 to 1/4 inch high. I have found that higher
> ones start to look a little funny, as well as interfere with the prongs that
> hold the plates in the dishwasher.
> Platters might have multiple footrings, but I prefer a single footring near
> the outside. I put a thin pancake of clay under the middle of platters
> when firing, to keep the centers from slumping down to the kiln shelves.
>
> BTW, as much as I like trimming with Phil's tools, I do not trim my
> footrings.
> I think it is more efficient to extrude a small bead, attach it to the plate
> after trimming the edge a little, and shape it into the footring I want.
> Trimming a footring leaves you with lots of clay you have to recycle.
>
> David Hendley
> david@farmpots.com
> http://www.farmpots.com
>
>
> > I'm working on a series of plates.
> > I've been experimenting with foot rings.
> > I've noticed some plates have none,
> > while some have one & others have multiple rings.
> > Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
> > So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
>
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Gary Elfring on wed 29 oct 03
Hello Connie,
CC> I trim a foot ring on all my plates for two reasons. First, I like the look
CC> of a foot on a plate and second, I like to trim. I think it just comes down
CC> to personal choice.
I agree with the "looks better" theory, but I was taught (and a little
practical test seems to verify this) that a pot or a plate with a flat
bottom is *less* stable on a flat surface than one with a ring. Just
put a tiny bit of salt on a table top and then put a piece of pottery
with a foot ring on it and a piece of pottery with a flat bottom. The
foot ring piece is clearly more stable.
Note that for plates, at least if you fire to cone 10, you usually
trim 2 separate foot rings. (The large flat bottom of the plate tends
to sag otherwise.)
--
Best regards,
Gary
Eleanora Eden on wed 29 oct 03
Hi Gayle and all,
For many years I was an over-sized foot person. Maybe it was a Pete thing,
not sure. Then for awhile I eliminated the feet, and I hated that. More
recently I have been doing petite feet, regular fellas. Blow that. Now
I'm back to great big feet and I am happy again.
Recently I was having a conversation with a prospective customer about a
bowl and the one she was talking about had these three little nubbies for
feets and I talked about doing a regular foot. She wondered what that was
and if it would cause problems.
Shades of isn't it Arneson with the bowl on a person's foot.........
Anyway on my webpage most of the bowls and plates have a bottom up view to
show the gorgeous underneath........
Eleanora
At 04:43 PM 10/27/03 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm working on a series of plates.
>I've been experimenting with foot rings.
>I've noticed some plates have none,
>while some have one & others have multiple rings.
>Books rarely show photos of the bottom of plates.
>So I'm curious about which are your favorites and why.
>
>Gayle Bair
>Bainbridge Island, WA
>http://claybair.com
>
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