Louis Katz on tue 28 oct 03
Came from the shape pug nosed dog snout. Seems a potter thought they
looked alike.
Nother word: Blunger
Comes fromt he Yiddish Fahrblungit, to be mixed up.
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http://www.tamucc.edu/wiki/Katz2/Century21Ceramics?action=edit
Louis
On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 08:39 PM, Stephen wrote:
> Does anyone know where the word pug, as in pug mill, come from? An
> english
> taecher i met said she thought it was from the word pugalistic, as in
> to
> agitate. Is there anything to this? I know this information has little
> to
> do with making pottery, but at my work, I have to answer a lot of
> Questions, having a good quick answer helps.
> Thanks,
> Stephen
>
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Steve Slatin on tue 28 oct 03
>Does anyone know where the word pug, as in pug mill, come from? An
english
>taecher i met said she thought it was from the word pugalistic, as in
to
>agitate. Is there anything to this?
I don't know, but I checked the known-derivation dates and got a bit
of insight on it. A pug nose dates to 1778 -- a pug dog dates as far
back
as 1789. A pug mill appears in literature from 1824, and pug as a verb
(relating to clay) dates to 1843.
'Mug' meaning a fool dates to the 1600's. I'd speculate fools get into
fights and their noses get bashed often enough to generate a "mug nose"
(a fool's broken nose) which could have devolved into a "pug nose."
Early
pug mills, developed after the appearance of the pug nose, probably used
a single-auger design. If the auger didn't fit seamlessly into the
nozzle, it would have produced a somewhat irregular lump of clay (and
not the perfectly mixed and de-aired chunks you can get now) possibly
resembling a pug nose sufficiently to allow the word to jump meanings.
Pug meaning a boxer, deriving from pugilist has been traced only to 1858
-- long enough after pug mills appeared that it's unlikely that it
developed in that order, though it's a slicker transition than the one I
suggest (don't folks encourage boxers to "mix it up" while sparring?)
and I like the idea.
A think, heavy lump of nose, a think, heavy lump of dog, a thick, heavy
lump of clay -- when you think of it, it's almost poetry.
All dates from www.miriamwebster.com
Stephen on tue 28 oct 03
Does anyone know where the word pug, as in pug mill, come from? An english
taecher i met said she thought it was from the word pugalistic, as in to
agitate. Is there anything to this? I know this information has little to
do with making pottery, but at my work, I have to answer a lot of
Questions, having a good quick answer helps.
Thanks,
Stephen
Snail Scott on wed 29 oct 03
At 09:39 PM 10/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anyone know where the word pug, as in pug mill, come from? An english
>taecher i met said she thought it was from the word pugalistic...
My Webster's Unabridged seems to think that
it's unrelated to the Latin roots of 'pugil...'
(from 'pugnus = fist) and instead is echoic
English in origin, cognate to the verb 'pound'.
The OED hedges its opinion somewhat more, saying
the origin is uncertain, but it also proposes a
onomatopoetic origin relating to 'pound', and
unrelated to the Latin. ('Onomatopoetic', like
'echoic' just means a word that sounds like a
noise, like 'squish' or 'whack'.)
The Latin is not too dissimilar, though, is it?
If it's unrelated, I still wouldn't be surprised
if the compatibility of the meanings helped to
reinforce each other.
The first recorded usages of 'pugmill' and 'pug'
(as related to clay) date only to the early
1800's, so it's a comparatively modern word.
-Snail
p.s. If you're curious, the meaning of 'pug' as
in 'animal footprint' comes into English from
Hindi.
-S.
Louis Katz on wed 29 oct 03
Sorry Bonnie,
Wrong URL
http://www.tamucc.edu/wiki/Katz2/Century21Ceramics
Louis
FYI
A wiki is a web editable website. That is all you need is a browser to
edit it. I gave you the edit URL which you need a password to use. Once
it is set up you don't need any technical knowhow to make new pages.
Its great for frequently updated sites that don't need sophisticated
layouts. Its good for syllabi and handouts for classes.
For more information on the "free" wiki software I use go to
http://PMwiki .com or http:// PatMichaud.com .
Louis
On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 07:18 PM, Jeremy/Bonnie Hellman
wrote:
> Louis,
>
> Your "find out what art is" site apparently needs a user name and
> password.
>
piedpotterhamelin@COMCAST.NET on fri 31 oct 03
A Pug was a spiked tool formerly used in the Dorset ball clay mines for lifting the balls of clay. A similar tool is known as a poge.
Pug could also mean a loam clay or brick earth prepared ready for use.
The Pug mill would be the machine used to prepare the clay.
Pug mills do differ historically as to construction. I do know of 18th century sources for the term pugmill.Don't confuse the early pugmills with todays.
Germany has the Order of the Pugs dating from 1736 formed by German Catholics. Meissen produced ceramics pug dog figurines for the Pug membership, but these figurines were called Mops.
A pug of clay prepared to insert into an extruder barrel is called a chum and a chum is also the form used on the wheel head to hold a pot while it is being trimmed.
My new studio is now being built and the walls are up. The whole insulated building will take 7 days to put up. 24 by 40 feet.
It is a great day.
Rick
--
"Many a wiser men than I hath
gone to pot." 1649
John K Dellow on sat 1 nov 03
piedpotterhamelin@COMCAST.NET wrote:
>A pug of clay prepared to insert into an extruder barrel is called a chum and a chum is also the form used on the wheel head to hold a pot while it is being trimmed.
>
>
In an outer suburb of Brisbane Queensland Australia , there is a town called " New Chum " . This town is the sight of one of the earliest pottery industries in Australia . It got its name from the Chum used for turning pots . The apprentice potters were called the " New Chums "and
were only allowed to throw chums . IN colloquial Australian a new chum is a new person ,in a work place etc.
John Dellow "the flower pot man"
Home Page http://www.welcome.to/jkdellow
http://digitalfire.com/education/people/dellow/
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