julie milazzo on mon 1 dec 03
Hey all! I'm applying a layer of mason stain onto bisqueware, and plan to spray a clear layer of cone 10 over it. I do not want the stain to move at all, as it is a very specific design. I am, however, afraid that if I just mix the stain with water, any glaze applied over it would crawl, as it would over any dusty surface. Is there a great medium that the stain could be mixed with, that would keep it from running, and help adhere the glaze to it? I feel like I should know this by now, but I usually just use glaze as a base for my stains, and I think that the stain would run this way. Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Jules
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logan johnson on mon 1 dec 03
Hey Julie,
try this on for size: Equal parts by weight: 3110 - Neph. Sy. - Mason Stain
I have been using this mix for about the last 3-ish yrs. at both ^6 & ^10 it rocks as long as you follow a few rules. # 1- Do NOT apply too heavy. You will get a nasty balding reaction. Test, test, test! Testing is the only way I know of to find out what "too heavy" is. # 2 Do NOT touch this underglaze once it has been applied it is VERY powdery & will smudge with the lightest touch of hands or clothing. I use this mix with air brushes & paint sprayers, on occasion I will use a FINE LINER BRUSH for a few SMALL details but, I don't reccomend using brushes to apply the main design , It hasn't worked well for me. This mix was given to me by Sylvie Granetteli when I attended her workshop at the Archie Brey Foundation. Also , you can use something to scratch through the underglaze to get a fine line of the clay body color . Good Luck with this ! You can also e-mail me directly for more details or any questions you might have. Have a great one!
julie milazzo wrote:
Hey all! I'm applying a layer of mason stain onto bisqueware, and plan to spray a clear layer of cone 10 over it. I do not want the stain to move at all, as it is a very specific design. I am, however, afraid that if I just mix the stain with water, any glaze applied over it would crawl, as it would over any dusty surface. Is there a great medium that the stain could be mixed with, that would keep it from running, and help adhere the glaze to it? I feel like I should know this by now, but I usually just use glaze as a base for my stains, and I think that the stain would run this way. Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Jules
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Mayssan Shora Farra on tue 2 dec 03
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:57:30 -0800, logan johnson
wrote:
>Hey Julie
>try this on for size: Equal parts by weight: 3110 - Neph. Sy. - Mason
Stain
>julie milazzo wrote:
>Hey all! I'm applying a layer of mason stain onto bisqueware, and plan to
spray a clear layer of cone 10 over it. I do not want the stain to move at
all, as it is a very specific design. I am, however, afraid that if I just
mix the stain with water, any glaze applied over it would crawl, as it
would over any dusty surface.
Jules,
Also make sure that the clear glaze is a non moving glaze ( by testing like
Alisa does, a diagonal thin line on vertical surface) I found this to be a
very important part for the colors to stay where they are.
I personally use only what mason stains recommends stain plus frit 3124 but
I add a tad of Spectrum overglaze base to keep it from being too powdery,
and help with the fluidity in application.
And I dip in glaze. and the colors stay for me.
Good luck
Mayssan
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elca branman on tue 2 dec 03
Try hair spray on top of the stain before you spray the glaze. Get it in
the Dollar stores..cheap and effective
>
Elca Branman
http://www.elcabranman.com
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Ron Roy on wed 3 dec 03
Hi Jules,
The trick is to find a clear glaze that is stiff enough so the stain will
not bleed - adding clay to your clear glaze till it does not bleed the
stain is one possibility.
The other way is to reduce the fluxes that promote running - like KNaO and
sub in fluxes that are higher on the viscosity list - but pay attention to
the recommendations from Mason about which fluxes are not acceptable for
the colours you are using.
I can do the line blends for you - or you can shop around for the right glaze.
When you get the glaze right mix the stain with that glaze before you put
the stain on the bisque -try 10% glaze and 90% stain for starters - that
should stop the crawling.
RR
>Hey all! I'm applying a layer of mason stain onto bisqueware, and plan to
>spray a clear layer of cone 10 over it. I do not want the stain to move at
>all, as it is a very specific design. I am, however, afraid that if I just
>mix the stain with water, any glaze applied over it would crawl, as it
>would over any dusty surface. Is there a great medium that the stain could
>be mixed with, that would keep it from running, and help adhere the glaze
>to it? I feel like I should know this by now, but I usually just use glaze
>as a base for my stains, and I think that the stain would run this way.
>Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Jules
Ron Roy
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Brighton, Ontario
Canada
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