Sam or Mary Yancy on sun 7 dec 03
Lili - remodeled both my bathrooms and kitchen this year extensively. Really tried to buy made in america - did all the shoping for materials and fuxtures myself. Result, almost all the materials, the stove, microwave, toilets, bathtub, shower doors and even the kitchen sink and faucets and granite tops were made somewhere else - mostly in china - EVEN IF the label on the box had a american company printed on it. I read in the paper that dell computers are made off shore.Thank you - I will buy americal whenever I can. I read today that 80+% of the toys made are made in china - by almost slave wages and conditions. For example etch-a sketch was made in america from about 1000 workers making $9 a hour, now made in china for 24 CENTS a hour and No medical. etc. (Ref. San Francisco Examiner paper dated December 7). P.S. does anybody remember December 7?? My dad was in that war and after the war it killed him due to injuries and stress. BAH HUMBUG!! No gifts to my children and grand
children this Christmas. Only UNITED STATES Savings bonds. Protest? - YOU BET! Sam in Daly City
A friend who thought I needed diversion ( I do. Bored silly by painful paw in splint) took me shopping. Wherever we went--from fancy gift shop to outlet store of big old manufacturer to Wal-Mart--slippers, kitchen tools, frames, Italian majolica style dishes, cotton bathrobes and more and more--Made in China. (The mfg outlet had THEIR traditional mark--but Made in China as well.)
And I wondered what we as small USA producers are doing about it? Has anyone taken a pledge; any individual or family? This year ONLY made in US gifts?
Has any one with gallery connections asked to place a sign in the shop window, or with their pots saying: THIS WAS MADE IN THE USA?
Is this not the season to "protest"? ( Suddenly realized that if the Magi Kings brought their gifts this year....)
lili krakowski
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lili krakowski on sun 7 dec 03
A friend who thought I needed diversion ( I do. Bored silly by painful =
paw in splint) took me shopping. Wherever we went--from fancy gift =
shop to outlet store of big old manufacturer to Wal-Mart--slippers, =
kitchen tools, frames, Italian majolica style dishes, cotton bathrobes =
and more and more--Made in China. (The mfg outlet had THEIR traditional =
mark--but Made in China as well.) =20
Except for the plates, where possible lead in glaze would deter me, no =
reason not to buy this pretty, pretty well made, pretty nicely priced =
stuff.
There were plenty of shoppers, And plenty of seasonal temps at work. =
Hurray, Economy! But I fear that at this rate Made in USA labels will =
become rarer than Made in Tonga labels!
And I wondered what we as small USA producers are doing about it? Has =
anyone taken a pledge; any individual or family? This year ONLY made in =
US gifts? I know, Janet, Tony, Roy, Steve, Ivor, Geoffrey, Alissa, =
Russell--but nothing wrong with local UK or Canada, Australia, Denmark, =
Benelux pledge either) That made in China gifts will be returned?
Has any one with gallery connections asked to place a sign in the shop =
window, or with their pots saying: THIS WAS MADE IN THE USA?
Don't look at me. Hanukah gifts go to kids, always books. May be =
printed abroad, but still US publishers, authors, illustrators.
Really--not trying to annoy--but how about it? Is this not the season =
to "protest"? ( Suddenly realized that if the Magi Kings brought their =
gifts this year....)
=20
lili krakowski
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on mon 8 dec 03
...funny...(as in curious, as in maybe not what one may have
expected...or, wanted to expect...)
It was not terribly long ago, that people even to whom a
tepid intelligence would have been ascribed, willingly
distinguished
between 'China' ( being Taiwan, Formosa, Free-China,) and...
'Red China'...
Formosa, Taiwan, or Free China was held in some admiration
for it's brave recluse from the horrors and brutality and
thought-police and prisons and general death and waste of
life as
the 'long march' occasioned and was hell bent on
perpetuating.
Formosa was regarded as having some admirable aspirations
and
principles for itself, and, to have offended no one by bad
manners and tyrrany.
'red china' was understood to be an unpleasantness, whose
government eventually was understood to have murdered
perhaps fourty millions of it's own people in political
killings. Known also for many slave labour camps, and
various sundry horrors of
cruelty and abuse of prisoners, of people forced to be
prisoners for 'political' crimes, who, in many cases, had
sinned no worse than to have been intellectuals, professors,
poets, musicians, teachers, philosophers, historians,
practical artisans, or people as could smell a rat, or who
were thought capable of doing so, and so on.
Or who simply had an Uncle as did not dust off the framed
picture of the 'chairman' when the district inspector
happenned bye to evaluate the rice hulling machinery or
something...so into the slammer as slaves go the whole
extended family...making a dandy 'example' I suppose for
others to learn from.
Things as were thought by polite people, to be something one
did not encourage, patronise, countenance gladly, reward,
or, look away from in a myopia for a little bauble at the
mall.
Funny...
Now, no one seems to remember that.
A nice precursor, and a requisite maybe, if I do say so
myself, for our own now all too evident national
destiny...
As if you have not already 'bought' it in the bigger
picture....so yes, buy the 'toaster'...buy the bathing
suit...buy the christmas tree lights...buy the gee-gaw at
'harborfreight', 'cause it is so 'cheap'...
That was your price.
...and with it, like the proverbial 'bowl of porriage'
...go, is sold, is you selling you, your (own, disowned,)
'birth-right'...
And...soon enough, millions will never miss what they never
knew.
'Soon enough'?
I mean...already...
Best wishes,
Phil
Las Vegas
Cat Jarosz on mon 8 dec 03
Dear Lili and Clay Folksies,
I look at the tags on products I want and hope what I will see is MADE IN
USA but sadly I am not seeing much of that anywhere. I do buy American when
ever possible.
Wendy Rosens "ART'S BUSINESS INSTITUTE" had plenty of sticker sheets with
american flag" made in america " slogans that we were encouraged to take and
use on our work and I also would mention this to folks buying or thinking of
buying as another good reason to buy pottery ! I am not sure if any of it
sunk in or how helpful it really was but I figure if just a few folks are made
aware that its gotta help some.
I hope the east coast folks survived this past stormy weekend. It
affected the attendance at "Appalachian Potters Market"which has become my "home"
show even though we didnt get the 3" predicted. Sometimes just the news being
spread all over the front page of the newspaper and every radio predicting ice
and sleet and snow will keep the southern folks off the roads. I did a tad
over 1/2 of what I did last yr $ wise but am grateful for it as I didnt think
we would even have a show to attend with all the weather predicted.
THinking about having a real HOME show seeing I have POTS GALORE, and
wonder if there is any advise about post cards " what to put on them " seeing
there is no time to do the modern post card with picture of pots on them. I
learned a lesson on putting all my eggs in one basket this yr. But not really
sure what if anything can be done about it. Gonna be a tough winter ahead...
Warmest regards, Cat Jarosz in SUNNY Western North Carolina USA smack dab
in the middle of the Great Smokies and Blue Ridge Mnts. where there shouldnt
be any bread or milk left in the stores
Pat Stern on mon 8 dec 03
Dear Clayarters, I was in a Pottery Barn recently with my brother and his wife--she wanted to buy a gift, brother and I browsed. We started checking where things were manufactured and could find NOTHING made in the USA. Finally we asked a clerk, she checked for awhile through her books, came up with ONE item made here, a decorative little sheaf, a inconsequential nothing... I buy a lot from LLBean, checked their catalog after the above experience. Found TWO items in the women's apparel section that were made in USA, two jackets made of Polartec (made by that righteous New England manufacturer, a just man--I resolved a while back to buy only Polartec fleece)), everything else "imported", from where not specified. I buy very little clothing as it is---this search for USA-made will continue.. But if you see an elderly, naked woman streaking down Broadway, you'll understalnd why... Pat Stern Remember the ILGWU label?? nowhere in sight anymore.... --- On Sun 12/07, Sam or Mary Yancy < satima@PACBELL.NET > wrote:From: Sam or Mary Yancy [mailto: satima@PACBELL.NET]To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORGDate: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:56:12 -0800Subject: Re: OT: Made in China; where else?A fri
end who thought I needed diversion ( I do. Bored silly by painful paw in splint) took me shopping. Wherever we went--from fancy gift shop to outlet store of big old manufacturer to Wal-Mart--slippers, kitchen tools, frames, Italian majolica style dishes, cotton bathrobes and more and more--Made in China. (The mfg outlet had THEIR traditional mark--but Made in China as well.)And I wondered what we as small USA producers are doing about it? Has anyone taken a pledge; any individual or family? This year ONLY made in US gifts?Has any one with gallery connections asked to place a sign in the shop window, or with their pots saying: THIS WAS MADE IN THE USA?Is this not the season to "protest"? ( Suddenly realized that if the Magi Kings brought their gifts this year....)lili krakowski______________________________________________________________________________Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.orgYou may look at the archives for the list or change your subscriptionsettings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at melpots@pclink.com.______________________________________________________________________________Send postings to clay
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Catherine White on mon 8 dec 03
I haven't taken a pledge vowing not to buy non-American-made products. =
However, for years now I've automatically checked the country of origin =
and tried to avoid non-American products when there's a reasonable =
choice. It's difficult. Check out the source of much of your grocery =
store products. I live in the heart of the green-produce belt, yet much =
of our grocery produce is from Mexico or even South American countries. =
Go figure!
Catherine in Yuma, Arizona
Life is what happens while you're making other plans
----- Original Message -----=20
I wondered what we as small USA producers are doing about it? Has anyone =
taken a pledge; any individual or family
wayneinkeywest on mon 8 dec 03
A few thoughts, though I didn't originally intend to get into=20
this discussion (I just had the same one with my=20
"father in law" last week.)
The US is no longer a separate economy, we are=20
part of the world economy, have been for decades.
What happens in the rest of the world's markets=20
affects us. More so now that US corps have gone=20
multi-national. We all know this...can we admit to it?
Even products labelled "made in the US" "produced=20
in the US", "made proudly in the US" can all LEGALLY=20
contain parts made elsewhere...Taiwan, China, England,=20
Brazil, Canada etc. Trust that I know this because I once=20
worked for a German company importing parts and=20
assembling "American made" machinery in CT. It's legal.
(My father in law proudly showed me his "Be American,=20
buy American" new diesel GMC truck. Engine made in=20
Canada, interior from Brazil. Computers came from Japan. =20
His mouth is prob'ly still agape.)
If you want to truly "buy only American products"
you have to support your local cottage industries.
Yeah, that's _US_ folks! Potters, weavers, artisans,=20
craftspersons, furniture makers. Anything "corporate"=20
is probably imported to some degree...and why not? =20
They (whomever made it wherever) have to work to eat too!
The USA is not a big fish in a small pond anymore. =20
We're a big fish in the world's oceans. Get used to it.
IMHO, YMMV...all the usual disclaimers.
Wayne Seidl
still proud of my country
and scared of our government
iandol on tue 9 dec 03
Dear Lili Krakowski,=20
A snip from your post <<..But I fear that at this rate Made in USA =
labels will become rarer than Made in Tonga labels!..>>
As long as Premiers and Presidents of Countries or Presidents and =
Directors of Companies and Banks continue to support the notion of =
unrestricted "Free Trade" and promote the Capitalist "Dream" of =
unrestricted profit at minimum cost, be it financial, social and =
environmental, this trend will continue. Might I suggest an =
renenactement of "The Boston Tea Party" or would I be inciting an "Act =
of Terrorism" ?
Enjoy your Festive Season.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia
iandol on tue 9 dec 03
Dear Friends,
When pondering the ethics of purchasing goods made "Off Shore" why not =
think of it as making your charitable contribution, without the =
intervention of all the support beaurocracies from the United Nations =
downwards, to those countries labelled, for convenience, "Third World" .
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia
Arnold Howard on tue 9 dec 03
An interesting article on the topic of Made in China appeared in Fast
Company magazine:
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html
Arnold Howard
From: "lili krakowski"
And I wondered what we as small USA producers are doing about it? Has
anyone taken a pledge; any individual or family? This year ONLY made in US
gifts?
Earl Brunner on wed 10 dec 03
I agree, I don't have a problem with people in under developed countries
earning wages to buy food and survive. If they don't have that poor job
(by our standards) what job DO they have? If my buying something they
made will help, great. It's the big corporations, saving a few bucks, I
worry about, if they are being responsible for the people and bettering
their lives great, I'm just not sure they are all that altruistic, or
responsible.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of iandol
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:14 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: OT: Made in China; where else?
Dear Friends,
When pondering the ethics of purchasing goods made "Off Shore" why not
think of it as making your charitable contribution, without the
intervention of all the support beaurocracies from the United Nations
downwards, to those countries labelled, for convenience, "Third World" .
Best regards, Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia
________________________________________________________________________
______
LindaBlossom on wed 10 dec 03
I think that Lili wasn't saying we should not have imports but that there is
no choice. Our workers who have lost their jobs are just as important as
the workers in China so I agree with Sam who said: It is nice to be nice
but not as the expense of our own workers. It is hardly the fault of our
own workers that China has way too many citizens needing work. Let them do
what so many of our own towns do - sell pizza to each other, It is sad but
true that citizens in so many towns are looking for some way to make a
living and all that is left to do is sell some kind of prepared food or rent
rooms out of their homes. Chinese companies also get around the Naft quotas
by sending products to Mexico and relabelling them so they don't play fair.
If you have not read the article that Arnold Howard sent the link for you
really should. This probably explains better than any other what has
happened. The owner of a company that makes thread and fabric put it best:
we are shopping ourselves out of jobs. I am glad that there is not a
Walmart in our town and if there was I wouldn't shop at it any more than I
do the new Home Depot. I just can't abandon the local business that are
such an important part of my community. I will pay the extra $3 for the
lock thank you. It is at the bottom of the article if you read to the end.
Thanks Howard for sending this, I think when I go to Cortland where there
is a Walmart (and a lot of plant closings) I will post this on their front
door. Meanwhile I will send it to friends.
> An interesting article on the topic of Made in China appeared in Fast
> Company magazine:
>
> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html
>
Linda
Ithaca, NY
Sam or Mary Yancy on wed 10 dec 03
THANK YOU!!! Linda and Howard.I have sent the link to all my friends. Sam In Daly City
LindaBlossom wrote:I think that Lili wasn't saying we should not have imports but that there is
no choice. Our workers who have lost their jobs are just as important as
the workers in China so I agree with Sam who said: It is nice to be nice
but not as the expense of our own workers.
If you have not read the article that Arnold Howard sent the link Thanks Howard for sending this, I think when I go to Cortland where there
is a Walmart (and a lot of plant closings) I will post this on their front
door. Meanwhile I will send it to friends.
> An interesting article on the topic of Made in China appeared in Fast
> Company magazine:
>
> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html
>
Linda
Ithaca, NY
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Bonnie Staffel on wed 10 dec 03
Hi Clayarters,
Our little town of Charlevoix is trying to fight the prospect of a new
Wal-Mart Store on the edge of town. There is one already in Petoskey, 17
miles away. It will decimate the little businesses that survive our mainly
summer tourist business. Our town is a nice resort town on the edge of
beautiful Lake Michigan and Lake Charlevoix. I passed your URL on to the
head of the group fighting this intrusion.
I am recovering nicely from Monday's CTS operation. I want to thank those
who passed on such great information for me. Typing is a little difficult
as well as just working with one hand. But hope to have the bandage off
tomorrow. Then watch me fly.
Warm regards,
Bonnie Staffel, Charlevoix
http://pws.chartermi.net/~bstaffel/contactlinks.htm
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 10 dec 03
Hi Ivor,
Maybe because buying the products IS contibuting to the
"support beaurocracies from the United Nations downwards, to
those countries labelled, for convenience, "Third World"
..."
That and worse.
In the long run ( quite a way s 'run' now,) it is our
cultural suicide...our self contempt.
We got pleny to go around too.
Best wishes,
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "iandol"
Dear Friends,
When pondering the ethics of purchasing goods made "Off
Shore" why not think of it as making your charitable
contribution, without the intervention of all the support
beaurocracies from the United Nations downwards, to those
countries labelled, for convenience, "Third World" .
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia
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John K Dellow on thu 11 dec 03
I would much rather a traff on the imported goods . This should be used
to fulfill our countries( i.e Australia ,America etc)
humantian ade .
John dellow
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
>Hi Ivor,
>
>
>Maybe because buying the products IS contibuting to the
>"support beaurocracies from the United Nations downwards, to
>those countries labelled, for convenience, "Third World"
>..."
>
>That and worse.
>
>In the long run ( quite a way s 'run' now,) it is our
>cultural suicide...our self contempt.
>
>We got pleny to go around too.
>
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Phil
>Las Vegas
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "iandol"
>
>
>Dear Friends,
>When pondering the ethics of purchasing goods made "Off
>Shore" why not think of it as making your charitable
>contribution, without the intervention of all the support
>beaurocracies from the United Nations downwards, to those
>countries labelled, for convenience, "Third World" .
>Best regards,
>Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia
>
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