Earl Krueger on tue 16 dec 03
On Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003, at 13:10 US/Pacific, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
> At 25 lbs, when you depress the Trigger of the Spray Gun,
> you should have a very healthy strong 'fan' of Air comeing
> out the end...nothing feeble or tentative about it...
No more adequately nor descriptively could this have been said.
Good job Phil !!!
Earl...
Bothell, WA, USA
Antoinette Badenhorst on tue 16 dec 03
Dear Clayarters, What am I doing wrong? After working with a Bailey( and
other ) spray guns for some time, I got myself a Devilbiss for more
precision spraying. I changed my small compressor to a bigger one:
Specifications on the motor:
5 Peak HP
15 Gallon
125 max PSI
Specifications on the tank:
5.0 HP
15 gallon
6.5 SCFM
40 PSI
5.1SCFM
90 PSI
I use a 3/8" hose that is 25 ft long and I have an 8 oz bottle in which
I only put water this far. I do not succeed to get anything else than
air flowing through the gun. We've sent the gun back to Devillbiss. They
found nothing wrong with the spray gun itself and according to them, the
compressor is big enough. I still get no fluid coming out. The airflow
is strong and I've adjusted all the little adjustable knobs in all
directions. There are no leakages anywhere, except the Trigger bearing
stud (I guess that is what it is) does a hissing sound(I guess air got
released here) I can not close that any better, but I can not remember
that I've heard this hissing from a previous workshop of Steven Hill
that I attended. According to the Devillbiss instructions, I have to
keep the PSI on 25. HELP PLEASE!!!!.
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
WHC228@AOL.COM on tue 16 dec 03
Could it be that you have a viscosity problem?
Can you get the gun to spray just water?
You may have to thin your glaze a little if you can spray water, and not
glaze.
If you can't spray water, there is probably something that you arent doing
right with the gun. It could be that you do not have enough air pressure at the
gun.
Do you have a regulator for the air?
You have a good gun, it should work.
Antoinette Badenhorst on tue 16 dec 03
Thanks for your reply. I've only tried water this far without success.
Are you talking about the regulator on the air compressor or should
there be another one that I might not know about? I do think it is my
ignorance, but can not figure out what I am doing wrong.
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
WHC228@AOL.COM
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:40 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Devilbiss EGA 503 spray gun.
Could it be that you have a viscosity problem?
Can you get the gun to spray just water?
You may have to thin your glaze a little if you can spray water, and not
glaze.
If you can't spray water, there is probably something that you arent
doing
right with the gun. It could be that you do not have enough air pressure
at the
gun.
Do you have a regulator for the air?
You have a good gun, it should work.
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Sam or Mary Yancy on tue 16 dec 03
In just about all spray guns, there should be at least two adjusters on the spray gun, one at the side (90 degree- right angle) of the outlet spray nozzle (which is for the fan adjustment - either a small spray circle or wider in a fan configuration). Opening this adjuster (counter-clockwise) makes the "fan" bigger. - closing it off (clockwise) will make wide spray "fan" smaller. The second adjustment is at the top back of the spray gun as you face it (spray nozzle away way from you). This adjusts the material (glaze-paint) flow quantity. Opening this adjuster counter clockwise will increase the flow - while closing this off somewhat (clockwise) will decrease the material flow. Try this, Open the FAN adjustment about two full turns counter clockwise from the closed/seated position. Then for the FLOW adjustment lightly pull the triger on the gun and adjust this aduster counter clockwise untill there is no resistance, then relax your pressure on the trigger and turn it in 1/2 turn
clockwise-this controls the flow volume - do this with no air pressure to the gun. P.S. It is important to firmly squeeze the trigger to the "stop" to get equal flow. If you do not, it is very difficult to get a even spray coating. If you need less quantity, turn this adjuster clockwise a bit. The last adjustment is the air pressure - which can be adjusted at the gun near the air-inlet (either an adjuster in the spray gun - or a adjuster on the air hose. Keep the pressure low enough to avoid excessive "dusting" as you will never need more than about 40 pounds of air pressure in any spray gun, Assuming that the flow nozzle is big enough, you should be able to spray a "creamy' thickness glaze. If the spray gun is leaking air, either one of the seals is missing or the gland nut near the seal needs to be tightened (clockwise) a bit. Try these - then a last resourt would be to bring the spray gun to a local automotive paint /car repair shop and ask them to check it our and set it up
for you(cookies?). If you wer local I could check you gun out easily in a couple of minutes. If you need more help. please advise, Sam in Daly City.
Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:
Dear Clayarters, What am I doing wrong? After working with a Bailey( and
other ) spray guns for some time, I got myself a Devilbiss for more
precision spraying. I changed my small compressor to a bigger one:
Specifications on the motor:
5 Peak HP
15 Gallon
125 max PSI
Specifications on the tank:
5.0 HP
15 gallon
6.5 SCFM
40 PSI
5.1SCFM
90 PSI
I use a 3/8" hose that is 25 ft long and I have an 8 oz bottle in which
I only put water this far. I do not succeed to get anything else than
air flowing through the gun. We've sent the gun back to Devillbiss. They
found nothing wrong with the spray gun itself and according to them, the
compressor is big enough. I still get no fluid coming out. The airflow
is strong and I've adjusted all the little adjustable knobs in all
directions. There are no leakages anywhere, except the Trigger bearing
stud (I guess that is what it is) does a hissing sound(I guess air got
released here) I can not close that any better, but I can not remember
that I've heard this hissing from a previous workshop of Steven Hill
that I attended. According to the Devillbiss instructions, I have to
keep the PSI on 25. HELP PLEASE!!!!.
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 16 dec 03
Hi Antoinette,
What Spraying I have done, tended to be with Industrial Oil
Based Paints, while for my Pots I used to use an old 'Bug'
Sprayer one pumped by hand...
The 25lbs working pressure sounds about right for the
DeVilbiss gun you have...
Is the little 'breather' hole on the lid of the Cup...clear?
If it is clogged, one may have problems...
The manipulation of the Adjusting features should effect the
desired result, but maybe they are so far 'out' now that the
approximate area they need to be in has become unclear.
Have you an instruction booklet or other for the Gun?
Otherwise...one idea as comes to mind, is grab a 12 pack of
Dr. Pepper or Sprite or something, and stop by some Auto
Body Shop or Auto Paint Shop or some place as sells Paints
for Autos, and bring your Gun...ask them to show you the
quick drill on how to use it...I am sure they would be happy
to help you out...
We have all been there at some point in our Noviate's
ascend...
Good Luck,
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antoinette Badenhorst"
> Dear Clayarters, What am I doing wrong? After working with
a Bailey( and
> other ) spray guns for some time, I got myself a Devilbiss
for more
> precision spraying. I changed my small compressor to a
bigger one:
> Specifications on the motor:
> 5 Peak HP
> 15 Gallon
> 125 max PSI
> Specifications on the tank:
> 5.0 HP
> 15 gallon
> 6.5 SCFM
> 40 PSI
> 5.1SCFM
> 90 PSI
> I use a 3/8" hose that is 25 ft long and I have an 8 oz
bottle in which
> I only put water this far. I do not succeed to get
anything else than
> air flowing through the gun. We've sent the gun back to
Devillbiss. They
> found nothing wrong with the spray gun itself and
according to them, the
> compressor is big enough. I still get no fluid coming out.
The airflow
> is strong and I've adjusted all the little adjustable
knobs in all
> directions. There are no leakages anywhere, except the
Trigger bearing
> stud (I guess that is what it is) does a hissing sound(I
guess air got
> released here) I can not close that any better, but I can
not remember
> that I've heard this hissing from a previous workshop of
Steven Hill
> that I attended. According to the Devillbiss instructions,
I have to
> keep the PSI on 25. HELP PLEASE!!!!.
>
>
> Antoinette Badenhorst
> 105 Westwood Circle
> Saltillo MS
> 38866
> 662 869 1651
> www.clayandcanvas.com
>
>
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 16 dec 03
Hi Antoinette,
You woule need a Regulator as logicly tends to be mounted
(on portable COmpressors such as yours,) on the Compressor
itself.
Are you certain you have adjusted the Regulator correctly?
At 25 lbs, when you depress the Trigger of the Spray Gun,
you should have a very healthy strong 'fan' of Air comeing
out the end...nothing feeble or tentative about it...
Is your Regulator one of those little plastic things with a
half dollar sized Gauge on it?
And as has a red top?
And the base of the top screws in or out having tiny
serrations on it, so that it must be raised to be turned?
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antoinette Badenhorst"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Devilbiss EGA 503 spray gun.
> Thanks for your reply. I've only tried water this far
without success.
> Are you talking about the regulator on the air compressor
or should
> there be another one that I might not know about? I do
think it is my
> ignorance, but can not figure out what I am doing wrong.
>
> Antoinette Badenhorst
> 105 Westwood Circle
> Saltillo MS
> 38866
> 662 869 1651
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf
Of
> WHC228@AOL.COM
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:40 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Devilbiss EGA 503 spray gun.
>
> Could it be that you have a viscosity problem?
> Can you get the gun to spray just water?
> You may have to thin your glaze a little if you can spray
water, and not
> glaze.
> If you can't spray water, there is probably something that
you arent
> doing
> right with the gun. It could be that you do not have
enough air pressure
> at the
> gun.
> Do you have a regulator for the air?
> You have a good gun, it should work.
>
>
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Antoinette Badenhorst on tue 16 dec 03
Sam and everybody else that took the time to help me, thank you so much.
I knew the problem was simpler than simple, but could not figure it out.
Read this.....someone switched the 2 connectors (the one to the bottle
and the other one to the hose! The guy at our Air power shop noticed
that the minute I walked in the door! I could not believe that it was
that simple. I guess that it reversed the whole process.
Sam your explanation helps a lot, since the best I know about this spray
gun is where to put the glaze in and where it should come out.
Thanks again
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Sam or Mary
Yancy
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:54 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Devilbiss EGA 503 spray gun.
In just about all spray guns, there should be at least two adjusters on
the spray gun, one at the side (90 degree- right angle) of the outlet
spray nozzle (which is for the fan adjustment - either a small spray
circle or wider in a fan configuration). Opening this adjuster
(counter-clockwise) makes the "fan" bigger. - closing it off (clockwise)
will make wide spray "fan" smaller. The second adjustment is at the top
back of the spray gun as you face it (spray nozzle away way from you).
This adjusts the material (glaze-paint) flow quantity. Opening this
adjuster counter clockwise will increase the flow - while closing this
off somewhat (clockwise) will decrease the material flow. Try this,
Open the FAN adjustment about two full turns counter clockwise from the
closed/seated position. Then for the FLOW adjustment lightly pull the
triger on the gun and adjust this aduster counter clockwise untill there
is no resistance, then relax your pressure on the trigger and turn it in
1/2 turn
clockwise-this controls the flow volume - do this with no air pressure
to the gun. P.S. It is important to firmly squeeze the trigger to the
"stop" to get equal flow. If you do not, it is very difficult to get a
even spray coating. If you need less quantity, turn this adjuster
clockwise a bit. The last adjustment is the air pressure - which can be
adjusted at the gun near the air-inlet (either an adjuster in the spray
gun - or a adjuster on the air hose. Keep the pressure low enough to
avoid excessive "dusting" as you will never need more than about 40
pounds of air pressure in any spray gun, Assuming that the flow nozzle
is big enough, you should be able to spray a "creamy' thickness glaze.
If the spray gun is leaking air, either one of the seals is missing or
the gland nut near the seal needs to be tightened (clockwise) a bit. Try
these - then a last resourt would be to bring the spray gun to a local
automotive paint /car repair shop and ask them to check it our and set
it up
for you(cookies?). If you wer local I could check you gun out easily in
a couple of minutes. If you need more help. please advise, Sam in Daly
City.
Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:
Dear Clayarters, What am I doing wrong? After working with a Bailey( and
other ) spray guns for some time, I got myself a Devilbiss for more
precision spraying. I changed my small compressor to a bigger one:
Specifications on the motor:
5 Peak HP
15 Gallon
125 max PSI
Specifications on the tank:
5.0 HP
15 gallon
6.5 SCFM
40 PSI
5.1SCFM
90 PSI
I use a 3/8" hose that is 25 ft long and I have an 8 oz bottle in which
I only put water this far. I do not succeed to get anything else than
air flowing through the gun. We've sent the gun back to Devillbiss. They
found nothing wrong with the spray gun itself and according to them, the
compressor is big enough. I still get no fluid coming out. The airflow
is strong and I've adjusted all the little adjustable knobs in all
directions. There are no leakages anywhere, except the Trigger bearing
stud (I guess that is what it is) does a hissing sound(I guess air got
released here) I can not close that any better, but I can not remember
that I've heard this hissing from a previous workshop of Steven Hill
that I attended. According to the Devillbiss instructions, I have to
keep the PSI on 25. HELP PLEASE!!!!.
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
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Sam or Mary Yancy on tue 16 dec 03
You should have a adjustible regulator and pressure gauge at the compress0r - set to about 50 pounds. Then at the spray gun, you should have another adjustible regulator valve (generally without the gauge) to reduce the flow/pressure further - if needed. Since you are getting air out of the spray gun, the other adjustment(s) mentioned in my previous e-mail need to be looked at as I described. Sam in Daly City
Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:Thanks for your reply. I've only tried water this far without success.
Are you talking about the regulator on the air compressor or should
there be another one that I might not know about? I do think it is my
ignorance, but can not figure out what I am doing wrong.
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of
WHC228@AOL.COM
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:40 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Devilbiss EGA 503 spray gun.
Could it be that you have a viscosity problem?
Can you get the gun to spray just water?
You may have to thin your glaze a little if you can spray water, and not
glaze.
If you can't spray water, there is probably something that you arent
doing
right with the gun. It could be that you do not have enough air pressure
at the
gun.
Do you have a regulator for the air?
You have a good gun, it should work.
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Sam or Mary Yancy on tue 16 dec 03
Antoinette - if you have any more questions when you get into spraying glace, be sure to ask, Sam -in- Daly City
Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:Sam and everybody else that took the time to help me, thank you so much.
I knew the problem was simpler than simple, but could not figure it out.
Read this.....someone switched the 2 connectors (the one to the bottle
and the other one to the hose! The guy at our Air power shop noticed
that the minute I walked in the door! I could not believe that it was
that simple. I guess that it reversed the whole process.
Sam your explanation helps a lot, since the best I know about this spray
gun is where to put the glaze in and where it should come out.
Thanks again
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Sam or Mary
Yancy
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:54 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Devilbiss EGA 503 spray gun.
In just about all spray guns, there should be at least two adjusters on
the spray gun, one at the side (90 degree- right angle) of the outlet
spray nozzle (which is for the fan adjustment - either a small spray
circle or wider in a fan configuration). Opening this adjuster
(counter-clockwise) makes the "fan" bigger. - closing it off (clockwise)
will make wide spray "fan" smaller. The second adjustment is at the top
back of the spray gun as you face it (spray nozzle away way from you).
This adjusts the material (glaze-paint) flow quantity. Opening this
adjuster counter clockwise will increase the flow - while closing this
off somewhat (clockwise) will decrease the material flow. Try this,
Open the FAN adjustment about two full turns counter clockwise from the
closed/seated position. Then for the FLOW adjustment lightly pull the
triger on the gun and adjust this aduster counter clockwise untill there
is no resistance, then relax your pressure on the trigger and turn it in
1/2 turn
clockwise-this controls the flow volume - do this with no air pressure
to the gun. P.S. It is important to firmly squeeze the trigger to the
"stop" to get equal flow. If you do not, it is very difficult to get a
even spray coating. If you need less quantity, turn this adjuster
clockwise a bit. The last adjustment is the air pressure - which can be
adjusted at the gun near the air-inlet (either an adjuster in the spray
gun - or a adjuster on the air hose. Keep the pressure low enough to
avoid excessive "dusting" as you will never need more than about 40
pounds of air pressure in any spray gun, Assuming that the flow nozzle
is big enough, you should be able to spray a "creamy' thickness glaze.
If the spray gun is leaking air, either one of the seals is missing or
the gland nut near the seal needs to be tightened (clockwise) a bit. Try
these - then a last resourt would be to bring the spray gun to a local
automotive paint /car repair shop and ask them to check it our and set
it up
for you(cookies?). If you wer local I could check you gun out easily in
a couple of minutes. If you need more help. please advise, Sam in Daly
City.
Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:
Dear Clayarters, What am I doing wrong? After working with a Bailey( and
other ) spray guns for some time, I got myself a Devilbiss for more
precision spraying. I changed my small compressor to a bigger one:
Specifications on the motor:
5 Peak HP
15 Gallon
125 max PSI
Specifications on the tank:
5.0 HP
15 gallon
6.5 SCFM
40 PSI
5.1SCFM
90 PSI
I use a 3/8" hose that is 25 ft long and I have an 8 oz bottle in which
I only put water this far. I do not succeed to get anything else than
air flowing through the gun. We've sent the gun back to Devillbiss. They
found nothing wrong with the spray gun itself and according to them, the
compressor is big enough. I still get no fluid coming out. The airflow
is strong and I've adjusted all the little adjustable knobs in all
directions. There are no leakages anywhere, except the Trigger bearing
stud (I guess that is what it is) does a hissing sound(I guess air got
released here) I can not close that any better, but I can not remember
that I've heard this hissing from a previous workshop of Steven Hill
that I attended. According to the Devillbiss instructions, I have to
keep the PSI on 25. HELP PLEASE!!!!.
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
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