SCOTT YEIP on tue 6 jan 04
I purchased one of the new L&Ls in May and I love it. No problems, =
great service. I live in Michigan, wonderful ceramic suppliers like =
Runyan, Crossroad and Rovin. Got mine from Runyan, Todd and Paul were =
of immense help! Buy local, it's the folks that count! They will be =
there when you need them!
Claybird (Amy)
Kevin Komadina on tue 30 nov 04
I've been getting an Error Code 1 message (ERR1) on my L&L easy fire 7 =
cu ft kiln. This just started happening when I fire to cone 6. I checked =
the elements and the resistance seems okay (14 to 16 ohms). I switched =
the thermocouples as well. I did a test fire to cone 6, with a very =
light load, and there was no problem. I then fired a full load of tiles =
to cone 6 and got the ERR1 message. The kiln fires to within 50 to 100 =
degrees of cone 6 before producing the error code. I'm going to have my =
current checked. Any experience with this problem out there. Thanks.
K H Komadina
John Jensen on wed 1 dec 04
This sounds familiar. A few years back our school got some new L&L =
kilns
and I was having problems from the first. I spent hours on the phone =
with
the factory tech guy. Power was good, elements were new, connections ok =
and
so forth. There was one solution we tried which had to do with reseting =
the
"Lag"...which has to do with the differences which are allowed between =
the
three zones. But that didn't work either.
In the end the ended up sending me a different set of elements...type =
"S"
as I recall. After I installed the new elements I was able to get to
temperature with no problem; But I think the life of these elements is
shorter than one would want.
Now re-reading your message I see your elements are not new, so how =
many
firings do you have on them?
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
John Jensen@mudbugpottery.com
http://www.toadhouse.com www://www.mudbugpottery.com
Gene Arnold on wed 1 dec 04
Kevin
I had the same problem and it was the elements needing to be replaced.
If the heat in the kiln rises too slow over a certain period of time the
kiln will shut down and give the error code.
I also checked my elements with an ohm meter and got a good reading but
changing the elements solved the problem.
Gene & Latonna
mudduck@mudduckpottery.com
www.mudduckpottery.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Komadina"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:54 PM
Subject: L & L Kiln
I've been getting an Error Code 1 message (ERR1) on my L&L easy fire 7 cu ft
kiln. This just started happening when I fire to cone 6. I checked the
elements and the resistance seems okay (14 to 16 ohms).
Cynthia Bracker on wed 1 dec 04
ERR1 generally means low voltage, bad elements, or one blown element.
It appears anytime the temperature increases at a rate of less than 12
degrees per hour for more than 22.5 minutes during a ramp segment.
Also, for an element to be considered "dead" it only needs to be about 1
ohm (1.25% increase is the actual "formula") from new. An E23T element
for 240V electricity should be 28.6. You are probably checking the ohms
at the pigtail, which should be 14.4. You really should check each
element. When you have your current checked, have it checked under load
at temperature too.
By the way, how many firings are on this set of elements and to what temps?
Also of a concern might be the total weight of clay products (ie mass)
in the kiln (don't forget furniture). Tiles are generally dense ware.
It's possible you have overloaded the kiln, especially since you did not
get the error code with a lighter load.
Cindy Bracker
Bracker's Good Earth Clays, Inc.
Kevin Komadina wrote:
>I've been getting an Error Code 1 message (ERR1) on my L&L easy fire 7 cu ft kiln. This just started happening when I fire to cone 6. I checked the elements and the resistance seems okay (14 to 16 ohms). I switched the thermocouples as well. I did a test fire to cone 6, with a very light load, and there was no problem. I then fired a full load of tiles to cone 6 and got the ERR1 message. The kiln fires to within 50 to 100 degrees of cone 6 before producing the error code. I'm going to have my current checked. Any experience with this problem out there. Thanks.
>
>K H Komadina
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Arnold Howard on wed 1 dec 04
ERR1 means the kiln fired too slowly. It sounds like your elements are worn
out. It is difficult to know the condition of the elements from an ohmmeter
reading, because your meter can be off a little. If you have a multiple-zone
kiln, you might also check the lag adjustment.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
arnoldhoward@att.net / www.paragonweb.com
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From: "Kevin Komadina"
I've been getting an Error Code 1 message (ERR1) on my L&L easy fire 7 cu ft
kiln. This just started happening when I fire to cone 6. I checked the
elements and the resistance seems okay (14 to 16 ohms). I switched the
thermocouples as well. I did a test fire to cone 6, with a very light load,
and there was no problem. I then fired a full load of tiles to cone 6 and
got the ERR1 message. The kiln fires to within 50 to 100 degrees of cone 6
before producing the error code. I'm going to have my current checked. Any
experience with this problem out there. Thanks.
Arnold Howard on thu 2 dec 04
When you order a kiln, be sure to give the correct voltage. If you order a
240 volt kiln but your voltage is only 208, you may have difficulty reaching
cone 6.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
arnoldhoward@att.net / www.paragonweb.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jensen"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CLAYART] L & L Kiln
This sounds familiar. A few years back our school got some new L&L kilns
and I was having problems from the first. I spent hours on the phone with
the factory tech guy. Power was good, elements were new, connections ok and
so forth.
K H Komadina on thu 2 dec 04
I've had the kiln about a year. I may have fired to ^6 about 15 times or
so, remainder of the firings are bisque. I have yet to check the lag. It
does fire to ^6, with lighter loads. I started having trouble with heavier
architectural tiles.Thanks.
Kevin
Chris Schafale on thu 2 dec 04
I wonder if you could be trying to fire too fast for the kiln. I believe
that error occurs when the kiln can't keep up with your programmed
speed. Try programming a slower rise for that last segment and you may do
just fine. The kiln may be able to get up to cone 04 or 06 at a really
fast ramp, but when you try to get to 6 you may be exceeding what the
elements can do, especially if they are older elements.
Chris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Komadina"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:54 PM
>Subject: L & L Kiln
>
>
>I've been getting an Error Code 1 message (ERR1) on my L&L easy fire 7 cu ft
>kiln. This just started happening when I fire to cone 6. I checked the
>elements and the resistance seems okay (14 to 16 ohms).
>
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Vince Pitelka on fri 18 mar 05
>I am looking at a L&L, Econo Kiln, J Series that was purchased in the
>1970's
> it was used privately for years and then used for about 7 years at a
> ceramics studio, going almost every day. It is 24" deep and has a kiln
> setter. It's Model J18R if that's helpful., 240 volts.
> I'm wondering if someone out there can give me an idea of what an
> appropriate price would be. I haven't seen the kiln, but I know the
> people
> selling it. They are asking $450. - this seems pretty high to me, but I
> really don't know. Can you advise me on what I should be looking for, and
> if
> this price seems reasonable? Thanks, Wendy
Wendy -
That price is way too high for a thirty-year-old J18, regardless of
condition. They should know that. If it really is in good shape, it is
worth half that much, $250 at the most. Feel free to pass this message on
to them, and they are welcome to contact me if they have any questions.
Good luck -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
Home - 615/597-5376
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
rweinst on fri 18 mar 05
I am looking at a L&L, Econo Kiln, J Series that was purchased in the 1970's
it was used privately for years and then used for about 7 years at a
ceramics studio, going almost every day. It is 24" deep and has a kiln
setter. It's Model J18R if that's helpful., 240 volts.
I'm wondering if someone out there can give me an idea of what an
appropriate price would be. I haven't seen the kiln, but I know the people
selling it. They are asking $450. - this seems pretty high to me, but I
really don't know. Can you advise me on what I should be looking for, and if
this price seems reasonable? Thanks, Wendy
Richard Aerni on sat 19 mar 05
Wendy,
I know times have changed, but I bought a similar kiln from an art center in
1982 for $25. It had been used to death, or so they claimed. Another set
of elements, some sairset, and it's probably still running. $450 seems way
high for a 30 year old kiln, no matter how well it's been maintained. Of
course, people around me pay way more than book value for used tools at
auction, too.
...something about the crowd mentality...
Good luck,
Richard Aerni
Rochester, NY
>>I am looking at a L&L, Econo Kiln, J Series that was purchased in the
>>1970's
>> it was used privately for years and then used for about 7 years at a
>> ceramics studio, going almost every day. It is 24" deep and has a kiln
>> setter. It's Model J18R if that's helpful., 240 volts.
>> I'm wondering if someone out there can give me an idea of what an
>> appropriate price would be. I haven't seen the kiln, but I know the
>> people
>> selling it. They are asking $450. - this seems pretty high to me, but I
>> really don't know. Can you advise me on what I should be looking for, and
>> if
>> this price seems reasonable? Thanks, Wendy
>
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