John Britt on sun 11 jan 04
The Chinese were making an oil spot cadegan at least as early as the 11th
century too.
John Britt
Jeanette Harris on sun 11 jan 04
>This ceramic jar, mentioned as "cadegan", was extensively used by
>the Incas and previous cultures, Mochicas and Chimus. It was very
>convenient to carry water and not spill it.
snippage>
I've been making Cadegan pots since I saw one on Antiques Roadshow.
They might work for sake. Tea would be okay (brewed, of course)
since the tea would 'seal' the inside just as it does with unglazed
clay pots. I guess you would also use one for oil or for vinegar.
But you'd have to rinse out the oil one once in a while.
elca branman on sun 11 jan 04
For those of you who love both pots and words, here's today's word from:
A.Word.A.Day-
( a lovely site, informative and amusing)
> cadogan (kuh-DUG-uhn) noun
>
> A lidless teapot, inspired by Chinese wine pots, that is
> filled from the bottom.
>
> [After William Cadogan, 1st Earl of Cadogan (1675-1726),
> who was said to be the first Englishman to own such a pot.]
>
> Pictures of cadogans:
> http://www.users.waitrose.com/~beryls/Pages/lw1_8.htm
> http://nemmelgebmurr.com/vintage/squirrel.html
>
> "Among the Twining teapots is a Matlocks Cadogan from Yorkshire. It
was
> filled through a hole in the bottom and emptied right side up."
> Jim Weaver; The Twining Teapot Collection; Antiques & Collecting
Magazine
> (Chicago, Illinois); Apr 2003.
>
> "This type of tea server was called a cadogan in England; vaso senza
> bocca in Italy. They were inspired by Chinese wine pots."
> James G. McCollam; Chinese-inspired English Teapot is as Valuable as
it
> is Unusual; The Sun (Baltimore, Maryland); Jun 13, 1993.
>
> This week's theme: Earls who became words (or places that became
words).
>
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wayneinkeywest on sun 11 jan 04
Elca:
Can you offer an explanation why anyone would
want to fill the pot from the bottom, when the spout is
so accessible? (I tend toward the function, rather
than form, so perhaps my view is skewed. ) Other
than it being a puzzle along the lines of those
infamous puzzle mugs I see used as references...
Nice pots, though.
I'm envisioning a long "funnel" shape rising into the
pot from the bottom almost to the inside top,
which when inverted (right side up would
form a "dam" keeping the liquid in...interesting concept.
Thanks for sharing.
Wayne Seidl
> For those of you who love both pots and words, here's today's word from:
> A.Word.A.Day-
> ( a lovely site, informative and amusing)
>
> > cadogan (kuh-DUG-uhn) noun
> >
> > A lidless teapot, inspired by Chinese wine pots, that is
> > filled from the bottom.
> >
> > [After William Cadogan, 1st Earl of Cadogan (1675-1726),
> > who was said to be the first Englishman to own such a pot.]
> >
> > Pictures of cadogans:
> > http://www.users.waitrose.com/~beryls/Pages/lw1_8.htm
> > http://nemmelgebmurr.com/vintage/squirrel.html
> >
> > "Among the Twining teapots is a Matlocks Cadogan from Yorkshire. It
> was
> > filled through a hole in the bottom and emptied right side up."
> > Jim Weaver; The Twining Teapot Collection; Antiques & Collecting
> Magazine
> > (Chicago, Illinois); Apr 2003.
> >
> > "This type of tea server was called a cadogan in England; vaso senza
> > bocca in Italy. They were inspired by Chinese wine pots."
> > James G. McCollam; Chinese-inspired English Teapot is as Valuable as
> it
> > is Unusual; The Sun (Baltimore, Maryland); Jun 13, 1993.
> >
> > This week's theme: Earls who became words (or places that became
> words).
> >
> From Elca Branman, who is doing okay
>
>
> http://www.elcabranman.com
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piedpotterhamelin@COMCAST.NET on sun 11 jan 04
Hi Elca
Here is a little more for you on the Cardogan teapot.
"It is a late 18th century novelty teapot having no apparent means of filling. A spiral tube with an aperature at the base of the pot is so designed that once filled through the tube, the pot may be turned the right way up without fear of spilling. Usually decorated with crude floral relief motifs and glazed in the characteristic Rockingham glaze. First made by Thomas Bingley at Swinton to the model of a peach-shaped wine pot of Indian origin, given to the Bramelds by the Hon. Mrs Cadogan. Subsequently made in considerable numbers at the Rockingham pottery; also made by John Turner of Lane End and by Spode. "
Charles, Pottery and Porcelain
Reminds me of the Samovar pot that we discussed here several months ago.
Keep happy
Rick
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Don Goodrich on sun 11 jan 04
Perhaps the motive for such a teapot can be found in carelessness. The
first time one pours from a conventional teapot, forgets to hold the lid in
place, and the lid shatters on the floor could lead one to seek a better
way. I know latching lids are a practical solution to this design problem,
but some aren't satisfied with the obvious.
Looks like the cadogan would be a nuisance to clean, though. As hard to dry
as those funnel-bottomed salt shakers which, fortunately, rarely need
cleaning.
Don Goodrich
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Wayne asked:
>Elca:
>Can you offer an explanation why anyone would
>want to fill the pot from the bottom, when the spout is
>so accessible? (I tend toward the function, rather
>than form, so perhaps my view is skewed. )
Snail Scott on sun 11 jan 04
At 12:47 PM 1/11/04 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm envisioning a long "funnel" shape rising into the
>pot from the bottom almost to the inside top...
Yes, you've got it. It's a design that's
also used for salt shakers and the like -
sort of a 'mind game'.
-Snail
=?iso-8859-1?q?Marilu=20Tejero?= on sun 11 jan 04
This ceramic jar, mentioned as "cadegan", was extensively used by the Incas and previous cultures, Mochicas and Chimus. It was very convenient to carry water and not spill it.
I actually own a modern Peruvian version that lives in Bolivia so I can't describe it acurately.
As the teapot, the base is hollowed and a long funnel opens in the interior. I've just found a Peruvian page that sells today's ceramics and there is a form very close to the original. It is called "Salamanca Jar with a puma".
http://www.inkaculture.com/Products/ProductsList.asp?LineId=44&SubLineId=115&Ip=1&opcion=2
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piedpotterhamelin@COMCAST.NET on sun 11 jan 04
Hi Folks
Just to change the idea a little; The traditional redware and stoneware inkwells were made in a similar way. The center funnel bottle, while having a full or closed base was raised some distance above a hollow hockey puck shaped donut that would have a number of holes cut into the top. The ink went into the center bottle and the outer well was used for draining and drying the quills. This was thrown in one piece.
Rick
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> At 12:47 PM 1/11/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >I'm envisioning a long "funnel" shape rising into the
> >pot from the bottom almost to the inside top...
>
>
> Yes, you've got it. It's a design that's
> also used for salt shakers and the like -
> sort of a 'mind game'.
>
> -Snail
>
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Lee Love on mon 12 jan 04
Photos of the original Kangxi teapot and the French copy:
http://www.antiquesandfineart.com/articles/media/images/00101-00200/00160=
/fig1.jpg
*Fig. 1 (left):* Cadogan Teapot, Samson (Esmie Samson et Cie), Paris,=20
mid-19th century. Porcelain. H. 6 3/4". Photography by Robert Boyd;=20
private collection.
*Fig. 2 (right):* Cadogan Teapot, Kangxi Period (1662=961722), ca. 1710. =
Porcelain. H. 5 1/2". Photography by Robert Boyd; private collection.
other sides:
http://www.antiquesandfineart.com/articles/media/images/00101-00200/00160=
/fig2.jpg
Artcle:
http://www.antiquesandfineart.com/articles/article.cfm?request=3D160
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John Britt on mon 12 jan 04
Here is a link to the Ackland Museums collection:
http://www.ackland.org/art/exhibitions/shatzman/pottery3.html
It shows the Oil spot Cadegan,
John Britt
Lee Love on tue 13 jan 04
Jeanette Harris wrote:
>
> I've been making Cadegan pots since I saw one on Antiques Roadshow.
> They might work for sake. Tea would be okay (brewed, of course)
> since the tea would 'seal' the inside just as it does with unglazed
> clay pots. I guess you would also use one for oil or for vinegar.
> But you'd have to rinse out the oil one once in a while.
I think tea would be better than sake. Tea is slightly antiseptic.
My prime candidate would be hot water which would be poured into a
bowl for making powdered matcha tea, tea ceremony tea.
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Lee Love on tue 13 jan 04
Don Goodrich wrote:
> As hard to dry as those funnel-bottomed salt shakers which,
>fortunately, rarely need cleaning.
Drying? Just put them in the toaster oven.
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claybair on tue 13 jan 04
I've made them for salt and pepper
ever since I saw Dannon's article.
I have made a few for sugar (or Sake).
My local gallery sold one and told me
it was being sent to Japan.
I thought that was an odd twist!
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
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-----Original Message-----
From:Jeanette
Harris
>This ceramic jar, mentioned as "cadegan", was extensively used by
>the Incas and previous cultures, Mochicas and Chimus. It was very
>convenient to carry water and not spill it.
snippage>
I've been making Cadegan pots since I saw one on Antiques Roadshow.
They might work for sake. Tea would be okay (brewed, of course)
since the tea would 'seal' the inside just as it does with unglazed
clay pots. I guess you would also use one for oil or for vinegar.
But you'd have to rinse out the oil one once in a while.
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