Steve Slatin on sat 10 jan 04
Carl --
Gotcha. Hardware drivers are for hardware, and in the old days they
were enough, as software was smart enough to actually run.
In these wicked times, though, we also have "software drivers"
which are programs to make programs too flipping stupid to run by
themselves actually run, sorta. Sometimes. If you're lucky.
I regularly get the BSOD on startup of Win XP, with a warning that I
have a software driver problem. On the rare occasion I get a=20
recoverably error message with any info in it, it generally tells
me that the conflict is between XP and Outlook. MS programmers*
strike again!
(My apologies to all programmers on ClayArt. Some of my closest friends
are programmers. My son is in college learning to BE a programmer. =
{That
is, if he's studying, a somewhat dubious proposition.} I'm sure =
programmers
make the best potters, and their art/craft/skill is unexcelled. No
doubt programmers shall all be admitted to the Kingdom of Heaven.)
-- Steve Slatin=20
At 11:42 PM 1/9/04 -0800, Steve Slatin wrote:
>Gary --
>What if the problem is with a software driver, instead of a hardware
>driver?
Drivers ARE software, Steve! A driver is a program that creates an
interface between a peripheral device (hardware) and the operating =
system.
>I find with XP most of my driver problems are software, and
>I've never been able to figure out where to track them down.
That is what Gary's message was intending to do--going to Settings/ =
Control
Panel/ System/ Device Manager/ and then looking for exclamation points =
(!)
highlighted by yellow.
But then it gets less than clear about how to proceed--at least for
me! Sometimes clicking Remove for the highlighted device and then
rebooting will do it. Windows will "see" the "new" hardware (since the
'remove' tells it it's no longer there) and then want you to choose or
supply a driver for it. Sometimes Windows *has* one, but even if it =
does,
you may need to supply the one that came with the device (on a floppy or
CD-ROM), and supply it in a different manner altogether.
Frankly, all this kinda crap is what caused me recently to just buy a =
new
Dell computer--whereas in the past I've built (OK--assembled, really) my
own computers. The physical assembly is very easy (and fun for a guy =
who's
lost track of his childhood Erector set), but hardware-software
incompatibleness is getting... well, my "Using Windows XP" book I just
bought tops 1000 pages! 'Nuff said.
> (I do,
>however, send the error reports to MS. I get a real kick out of
>messages that tell MS that MS software is incompatible with MS
>operating systems and causes failures. Pretty childish of me, eh?)
I'll assume that's a rhetorical question! :-)
--Carl "whatever happened to Heathkits?" Finch
in Medford, Oregon
>-- Steve S
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Gary =
Harvey
>Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:30 AM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: computer problem?
>
>Yor have a driver problem. If you have a Windows computer go to start,
>move cursor up to settings, then click on control panel. When the
>control panel conmed up click on system. Then click on the tab at the
>top called device manager. One by one open the device tabs in the fold
>by clicking on the plus signs. When opened if any one of these has a
>explanation sign (!) in yellow then that is you problem driver . If
>you are not experienced in working with Windows problems get some help
>from a friend, or get a professional because I am and even I have a LOT
>of trouble fixing these kinds of problems. Good luck.
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Marianne Lombardo on sun 11 jan 04
This is a joke, right? That's all we need, WinDOZE running in our cars...
Time to get a horse and buggy.
Marianne Lombardo
Omemee, Ontario, Canada
> The good news is, though, that MS is now planning an all-out attack
> on the auto manufacturing business. They want to have a Windows-
> based software program running all the advanced dedicated processors
> in you car. Glory be, soon your Volkswagon/Chevrolet/Toyota will have
> the same reliability as your PC!
Gail Phillips on sun 11 jan 04
If you have questions about whether or not your older computer is compatible
with Windows XP, visit:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/compatibility/default.asp
- Gail Phillips
> I've seen some people talking about updating Windows on their machines
> to XP. I've been told by all of the tech support people at school that
> this is not a good idea. Apparently, most new machines are designed to
> be more or less compatible with the XP operating system, however, older
> machines will have hardware that isn't supported (the manufacturer might
> have quit making that model of component before XP came out) so there
> really isn't a driver made for XP for that component. This then causes
> problems.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Steve
> Slatin
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 6:40 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: computer problem? OT OT OT
>
> Carl --
>
> Gotcha. Hardware drivers are for hardware, and in the old days they
> were enough, as software was smart enough to actually run.
> In these wicked times, though, we also have "software drivers"
> which are programs to make programs too flipping stupid to run by
> themselves actually run, sorta. Sometimes. If you're lucky.
>
> I regularly get the BSOD on startup of Win XP, with a warning that I
> have a software driver problem. On the rare occasion I get a
> recoverably error message with any info in it, it generally tells
> me that the conflict is between XP and Outlook. MS programmers*
> strike again!
>
> (My apologies to all programmers on ClayArt. Some of my closest friends
> are programmers. My son is in college learning to BE a programmer.
> {That
> is, if he's studying, a somewhat dubious proposition.} I'm sure
> programmers
> make the best potters, and their art/craft/skill is unexcelled. No
> doubt programmers shall all be admitted to the Kingdom of Heaven.)
>
> -- Steve Slatin
>
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Steve Slatin on sun 11 jan 04
Gail --
MS stopped trying to maintain the list of compatible hardware and went =
to
the 'catalog' approach some time back. My observation is that most of =
the
stuff in the catalog is pretty new. Many things on the old list that =
*do*
work with XP are not in the catalog. ActiveWin
(http://www.activewin.com/winxp/winxphclx86.txt) has a good list that's
an old-fashioned readable list. It is not up to date (nearly a year =
old,
I believe) but if the question is using old equipment, it may be a =
better
Bet for finding usable items than the catalog.
JM2C -- Steve S.
If you have questions about whether or not your older computer is =
compatible
with Windows XP, visit:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/compatibility/default.asp
- Gail Phillips
Earl Brunner on sun 11 jan 04
I've seen some people talking about updating Windows on their machines
to XP. I've been told by all of the tech support people at school that
this is not a good idea. Apparently, most new machines are designed to
be more or less compatible with the XP operating system, however, older
machines will have hardware that isn't supported (the manufacturer might
have quit making that model of component before XP came out) so there
really isn't a driver made for XP for that component. This then causes
problems.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Steve
Slatin
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 6:40 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: computer problem? OT OT OT
Carl --
Gotcha. Hardware drivers are for hardware, and in the old days they
were enough, as software was smart enough to actually run.
In these wicked times, though, we also have "software drivers"
which are programs to make programs too flipping stupid to run by
themselves actually run, sorta. Sometimes. If you're lucky.
I regularly get the BSOD on startup of Win XP, with a warning that I
have a software driver problem. On the rare occasion I get a
recoverably error message with any info in it, it generally tells
me that the conflict is between XP and Outlook. MS programmers*
strike again!
(My apologies to all programmers on ClayArt. Some of my closest friends
are programmers. My son is in college learning to BE a programmer.
{That
is, if he's studying, a somewhat dubious proposition.} I'm sure
programmers
make the best potters, and their art/craft/skill is unexcelled. No
doubt programmers shall all be admitted to the Kingdom of Heaven.)
-- Steve Slatin
Steve Slatin on sun 11 jan 04
Earl -- I understand. My box is a Dell Dimension 2400, post-XP
design, all XP approved compatibility listed parts. Maybe it's my
lack of sympathy for MS that makes the software misbehave, but
like I said, it's usually Outlook fighting with Windows.
The good news is, though, that MS is now planning an all-out attack
on the auto manufacturing business. They want to have a Windows-
based software program running all the advanced dedicated processors
in you car. Glory be, soon your Volkswagon/Chevrolet/Toyota will have
the same reliability as your PC!
-- Steve S, who's getting happier EVERY DAY that he retired to a house
within biking distance of a drug store and a grocery.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Earl Brunner
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:43 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: computer problem? OT OT OT
I've seen some people talking about updating Windows on their machines
to XP. I've been told by all of the tech support people at school that
this is not a good idea. Apparently, most new machines are designed to
be more or less compatible with the XP operating system, however, older
machines will have hardware that isn't supported (the manufacturer might
have quit making that model of component before XP came out) so there
really isn't a driver made for XP for that component. This then causes
problems.
Carl Finch on mon 12 jan 04
At 06:40 PM 1/10/04 -0800, Steve Slatin wrote:
>Carl --
>
>Gotcha. Hardware drivers are for hardware, and in the old days they
>were enough, as software was smart enough to actually run.
>In these wicked times, though, we also have "software drivers"
>which are programs to make programs too flipping stupid to run by
>themselves actually run, sorta.
Well, well--live and learn! Can you give examples? (I thought such
thingies were called "patches" or "updates").
--Carl "locked inexorably in the Old Days" Finch
Steve Slatin on mon 12 jan 04
If you use Outlook and when you configured it, selected "use Word as
E-Mail editor" than you have a software driver taking the OUTPUT from =
Word=20
and piping it into Outlook. The receiving program acts as a virtual
"device."
The better way to do this is with an interprocess communication =
language.
IBM had one called 'REXX' some decades back. Steve S
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Carl Finch
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:20 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: computer problem? OT OT OT
At 06:40 PM 1/10/04 -0800, Steve Slatin wrote:
>Carl --
>
>Gotcha. Hardware drivers are for hardware, and in the old days they
>were enough, as software was smart enough to actually run.
>In these wicked times, though, we also have "software drivers"
>which are programs to make programs too flipping stupid to run by
>themselves actually run, sorta.
Well, well--live and learn! Can you give examples? (I thought such
thingies were called "patches" or "updates").
--Carl "locked inexorably in the Old Days" Finch
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