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reduction in cold weather?

updated mon 26 jan 04

 

Susan Giddings on sun 18 jan 04


Hello everyone,


I have a question for anyone who cares to answer:


What is the effect of cold weather on reduction atmosphere in ^10 gas firing or a ^06 raku firing and post fire reduction?


I know that air is denser the colder it gets. Airplanes have better lift the colder it is. I realize that in a glaze firing the change in air density may have negligible impact, but I really just don't know. Question came up today in conversation and while we guessed, no one knew for sure or even how significant it could be. (We are at sea level) A couple of hours of research later, I thought I'd put the question to the group.


I'd be really interested in what you have to say...


Thanks,


Susan

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Marcia Selsor on mon 19 jan 04


Hi Susan,
I get my best colors in Raku when doing a post firing reduction at minus
20 F. in Montana.
What can I say, it doesn't often happen that I am doing raku then. But
that is when the colors are best!
Marcia Selsor
not in Montana at the moment.

Susan Giddings wrote:

>
> What is the effect of cold weather on reduction atmosphere in ^10 gas
> firing or a ^06 raku firing and post fire reduction?
>
>
> Susan
>

william schran on mon 19 jan 04


Susan wrote:>What is the effect of cold weather on reduction
atmosphere in ^10 gas firing or a ^06 raku firing and post fire
reduction?<

I believe there will be affect on the ^10 gas firing due to
atmospheric pressure and moisture level more than temperature.

The ^06 raku firing may take a tad bit longer to reach glaze
maturity, but more of an issue is slightly more rapid cooling as the
work is removed from the kiln and remaining pots in the kiln,
especially those kilns made with fiber lined drum tops.
Another issue we discovered, if the cold enough our sand pit was
frozen, so we couldn't get a good seal around the upside down can
during post-firing reduction.
Bill

Marvpots@AOL.COM on mon 19 jan 04


Susan:
In my experience, a well-built cone 10 gas kiln, is so well enclosed that
outside temperature has little effect on the kiln's performance.
I fired my kiln this past week-end; started with kiln inside temp at 9 F;
bitter cold outside, snow, rain, hail; no ill effects on the work in the kiln
nor did it take any unusual length of time to reach cone 10- temp, and
reduction worked well.
Others may have different comments and experience.

Marvin Flowerman
marvpots@aol.com

Susan Giddings on mon 19 jan 04


I probably should add that my very empirical understanding is that reduction should be much better. The question is; Is it? and then, why is or is not?


Denser air helps I think oince you can get reduction going. I truly think that cold weather and barometeric low pressure helps the results along. Even though these may seem counterproductive I think different things work to your advantage.


A few of us were talking about this over this weekend and everyone who could look back in logs or remember thought the most pleasing results came out of finings on bitterly cold days or stormy, rainy days, regardless of high fire or raku.


In cold weather with denser air, I think it may be a little more difficult to get into a good reduction period especially at high fire, but because there is more oxygen in the atmosphere, you get more of a chemical reaction once you get it going and so brighter colors which lead to everyone thinking that they get better results.


In raku, I think the faster temperature drop the work is subjected to in being removed from the kiln and put into the pit (or whatever it is you use) in cold weather helps "freeze" the colors so you are getting them at their peak and the glazes are too cool, too fast to re-oxidize.


Now this is just based on my own observation and NOT at all based on any science experiment!  The conversation raised my curiosity and I just wanted to see what others had experienced and if amyone knew what was going on - chemically.


It does seem that we all experience something different, (mostly, we think, for the better) my question really is, OK, why? what's happening?

S
(Thanks Marcie, loved the article on your last trip!)


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Susan Giddings
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Cell phone: 860-930-8813

 

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Kathy McDonald on sun 25 jan 04


I won't repost my previous post unless asked
but it depends how cold the ambient temp of the outside air is.
I don't think it affects the reduction in the kiln chamber
but cold cold weather affects the fuel source espcially if
you use propane. Iced up tanks are common here in Manitoba
and this causes pressure to drop significantly.

Kathy in frozen Manitoba...













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Susan:
In my experience, a well-built cone 10 gas kiln, is so well enclosed that
outside temperature has little effect on the kiln's performance.
I fired my kiln this past week-end; started with kiln inside temp at 9 F;
bitter cold outside, snow, rain, hail; no ill effects on the work in the
kiln
nor did it take any unusual length of time to reach cone 10- temp, and
reduction worked well.
Others may have different comments and experience.

Marvin Flowerman
marvpots@aol.com

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