Gordon Ward on thu 22 jan 04
William,
Depending upon the greenware shapes, etc, you may be able to use a machine I
designed called a Power Sponge. I have sold lots of these things to tile
makers, some even buying additional machines. They are not cheap, but can
really speed production. You can see a photo at http://www.tools4clay.com/
My friend who now makes them may be raising the price soon (he keeps
threatening).
Gordon Ward
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of William
> Sheppard
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:11 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Greenware Cleaning Tips
>
> As most of us do, I am looking for advice. None of us should ever be
> to experienced to learn new things.
> Cleaning greenware seems to take up most of my production time
> because many of my pieces have so many edges to clean up.
> Part of my problem is that I am pretty fussy about the overall
> condition of a piece before it goes into the bisque firing and I do not
> want to give that up.
> I would like to start a discusion about "hints and tips" on
> cleaning
> greenware that will help increase productivity.
> What are your sugestions?
>
> William A. Sheppard
> Owner/Artist of Pat Young Ceramic Arts
>
> www.patyoungceramicarts.com
> www.greatpottery.com
William Sheppard on thu 22 jan 04
As most of us do, I am looking for advice. None of us should ever be
to experienced to learn new things.
Cleaning greenware seems to take up most of my production time
because many of my pieces have so many edges to clean up.
Part of my problem is that I am pretty fussy about the overall
condition of a piece before it goes into the bisque firing and I do not
want to give that up.
I would like to start a discusion about "hints and tips" on cleaning
greenware that will help increase productivity.
What are your sugestions?
William A. Sheppard
Owner/Artist of Pat Young Ceramic Arts
www.patyoungceramicarts.com
www.greatpottery.com
Antoinette Badenhorst on thu 22 jan 04
William, what I found is that patience is one of the most important
things when finishing of pieces. If the clay is not at the right
dryness, don't mess with it, because that create more finishing off
areas. Don't trim a piece if it is too wet. Don't put two pieces of
clay together when it is too wet. At the right dryness, a smear of the
finger will do the trick.
Happy potting.
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of William
Sheppard
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:11 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Greenware Cleaning Tips
As most of us do, I am looking for advice. None of us should ever be
to experienced to learn new things.
Cleaning greenware seems to take up most of my production time
because many of my pieces have so many edges to clean up.
Part of my problem is that I am pretty fussy about the overall
condition of a piece before it goes into the bisque firing and I do not
want to give that up.
I would like to start a discusion about "hints and tips" on
cleaning
greenware that will help increase productivity.
What are your sugestions?
William A. Sheppard
Owner/Artist of Pat Young Ceramic Arts
www.patyoungceramicarts.com
www.greatpottery.com
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Jan L. Peterson on fri 23 jan 04
I know what you mean. Not only that, but I seem to be allergic to my
greenware when I clean it for firing. But, I do not like how others clean them. They
rub out so many details that are so important to the piece. I have a little
tool I picked up when I started seriously twenty years ago. And, they had a
little rough sponge that smoothed out what the tool left behind. Lately, when I
lost my little sponge, I bought one of their newer one, but it was too hard on my
greenware, so I went to a small town that had a little store of ceramics and
tools and paint, and found another sponge there.
The sponge looks kinda like it just came from the sea floor, big pores, and
irregularly shaped, and malleable enough to get into the small places on my
ceramics. (I do mostly miniatures.) I also found a paint brush that is on an
angle to paint those impossible spots. Jan, the Alleycat
Jennifer Boyer on fri 23 jan 04
Hi All,
The power sponge looks interesting but might not be much help cleaning
areas that are most liable to be rough: around applied handles, spouts
etc. I like 3M green scrubby sheets for smoothing greenware. I cut them
into 2 inch squares to fit into small nooks and crannies. Also I have
several abrasive coated sponges make for smoothing greenware. They are
rigid and very flat so are good for smoothiing feet and for getting rid
of glob type stuff on flat areas.They seem to never wear out! Axner has
a similar one called a Rubber Scrubber. Kemper has a nice looking
little greenware file. I NEVER wet-sponge greeware as it only brings
up rough grog...
Jennifer
On Thursday, January 22, 2004, at 05:50 PM, Gordon Ward wrote:
> William,
>
> Depending upon the greenware shapes, etc, you may be able to use a
> machine I
> designed called a Power Sponge. I have sold lots of these things to
> tile
> makers, some even buying additional machines. They are not cheap, but
> can
> really speed production. You can see a photo at
> http://www.tools4clay.com/
> My friend who now makes them may be raising the price soon (he keeps
> threatening).
>
> Gordon Ward
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of William
>> Sheppard
>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:11 AM
>> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>> Subject: Greenware Cleaning Tips
>>
>> As most of us do, I am looking for advice. None of us should ever be
>> to experienced to learn new things.
>> Cleaning greenware seems to take up most of my production time
>> because many of my pieces have so many edges to clean up.
>> Part of my problem is that I am pretty fussy about the overall
>> condition of a piece before it goes into the bisque firing and I do
>> not
>> want to give that up.
>> I would like to start a discusion about "hints and tips" on
>> cleaning
>> greenware that will help increase productivity.
>> What are your sugestions?
>>
>> William A. Sheppard
>> Owner/Artist of Pat Young Ceramic Arts
>>
>> www.patyoungceramicarts.com
>> www.greatpottery.com
>
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Jerry Dean on fri 23 jan 04
I used to spend hours sanding down rough edges of hand built platters and
bowls mugs etc. Now Ive found that using a damp sponge will do the same thing in
seconds. You just have to make sure you give the pieces another few days to
dry from this.
Gordon Ward on fri 23 jan 04
Yes, wet sponging greenware that has grog is not usually a good idea if you
don't want a rough surface (for a sculptural piece it could be interesting).
But, if you are using a smooth body which needs clean-up in the dry state,
you can really cut down on dust by wet sponging. I clean all my extruded
tile this way as well as most shapes cut from slabs whether flat or dished.
From looking William's work, the Power Sponge would be useful on some, but
not the more intricate pieces. There is a pottery in Naples, Fl (not sure
how far that is from you) that wet sponges all their pieces:
http://www.naplesclayplace.com/ The photos on his site are not loading at
the moment, but it is probably a temporary problem.
When I must sand on a dry pot I either use the green plastic scrubbies or
the abrasive screen type sand paper. I got a bunch of large 20" discs of
the screen type (somewhat used) from a floor finisher. (You can also find
rectangular sheets at the hardware store.) They have kept me going for a
very long time, but I do hate the dust!
Gordon
> From: Jennifer Boyer
> Reply-To: Clayart
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:28:28 -0500
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Greenware Cleaning Tips
>
> Hi All,
> The power sponge looks interesting but might not be much help cleaning
> areas that are most liable to be rough: around applied handles, spouts
> etc. I like 3M green scrubby sheets for smoothing greenware. I cut them
> into 2 inch squares to fit into small nooks and crannies. Also I have
> several abrasive coated sponges make for smoothing greenware. They are
> rigid and very flat so are good for smoothiing feet and for getting rid
> of glob type stuff on flat areas.They seem to never wear out! Axner has
> a similar one called a Rubber Scrubber. Kemper has a nice looking
> little greenware file. I NEVER wet-sponge greeware as it only brings
> up rough grog...
> Jennifer
> On Thursday, January 22, 2004, at 05:50 PM, Gordon Ward wrote:
>
>> William,
>>
>> Depending upon the greenware shapes, etc, you may be able to use a
>> machine I
>> designed called a Power Sponge. I have sold lots of these things to
>> tile
>> makers, some even buying additional machines. They are not cheap, but
>> can
>> really speed production. You can see a photo at
>> http://www.tools4clay.com/
>> My friend who now makes them may be raising the price soon (he keeps
>> threatening).
>>
>> Gordon Ward
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of William
>>> Sheppard
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:11 AM
>>> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>>> Subject: Greenware Cleaning Tips
>>>
>>> As most of us do, I am looking for advice. None of us should ever be
>>> to experienced to learn new things.
>>> Cleaning greenware seems to take up most of my production time
>>> because many of my pieces have so many edges to clean up.
>>> Part of my problem is that I am pretty fussy about the overall
>>> condition of a piece before it goes into the bisque firing and I do
>>> not
>>> want to give that up.
>>> I would like to start a discusion about "hints and tips" on
>>> cleaning
>>> greenware that will help increase productivity.
>>> What are your sugestions?
>>>
>>> William A. Sheppard
>>> Owner/Artist of Pat Young Ceramic Arts
>>>
>>> www.patyoungceramicarts.com
>>> www.greatpottery.com
>>
Hank Murrow on fri 23 jan 04
Dear Group;
I have seen the power sponger work, and I am here to tell you it works
great! The rough stuff doesn't come up, and you could shape the
sponge/roller to do inside corners. It really isn't all that wet folks,
barely wet at all, as there is another roller that squeezes out most of
the water. A really slick tool. Heck, I would have one myself if I
didn't treasure all those little bumps, runs, and errors that give my
ware 'character'. Or is it just weird?
Cheers, Hank
On Jan 23, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Jennifer Boyer wrote:
> Hi All,
> The power sponge looks interesting but might not be much help cleaning
> areas that are most liable to be rough: around applied handles, spouts
> etc. I like 3M green scrubby sheets for smoothing greenware. I cut them
> into 2 inch squares to fit into small nooks and crannies. Also I have
> several abrasive coated sponges make for smoothing greenware. They are
> rigid and very flat so are good for smoothiing feet and for getting rid
> of glob type stuff on flat areas.They seem to never wear out! Axner has
> a similar one called a Rubber Scrubber. Kemper has a nice looking
> little greenware file. I NEVER wet-sponge greeware as it only brings
> up rough grog...
> Jennifer
> On Thursday, January 22, 2004, at 05:50 PM, Gordon Ward wrote:
>
>> William,
>>
>> Depending upon the greenware shapes, etc, you may be able to use a
>> machine I
>> designed called a Power Sponge. I have sold lots of these things to
>> tile
>> makers, some even buying additional machines. They are not cheap, but
>> can
>> really speed production. You can see a photo at
>> http://www.tools4clay.com/
>> My friend who now makes them may be raising the price soon (he keeps
>> threatening).
>>
>> Gordon Ward
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of William
>>> Sheppard
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:11 AM
>>> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>>> Subject: Greenware Cleaning Tips
>>>
>>> As most of us do, I am looking for advice. None of us should ever be
>>> to experienced to learn new things.
>>> Cleaning greenware seems to take up most of my production time
>>> because many of my pieces have so many edges to clean up.
>>> Part of my problem is that I am pretty fussy about the overall
>>> condition of a piece before it goes into the bisque firing and I do
>>> not
>>> want to give that up.
>>> I would like to start a discusion about "hints and tips" on
>>> cleaning
>>> greenware that will help increase productivity.
>>> What are your sugestions?
>>>
>>> William A. Sheppard
>>> Owner/Artist of Pat Young Ceramic Arts
>>>
>>> www.patyoungceramicarts.com
>>> www.greatpottery.com
>>
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William Sheppard on sun 25 jan 04
Could you tell us more about the ALERGY you mentioned when you are
cleaning greenware.
Many times my wife has commented about how red the skin on my face is
after I have been cleaning greenware. It does NOT hurt or itch and goes
away after a few hours. I wonder if it is an alergic reaction to the
clay. It does not happen when I am modeling with "wet" clay.
I clean my greenware with a damp sponge and a lace tool and my finger
dipped into the bowl of water.
William A. Sheppard V.
Pat Young Ceramic Arts
50 years old this year
Saint Petersburg, Florida
Jan L. Peterson on mon 26 jan 04
My allergy is the clay dust. You are keeping the dust down by cleaning with a
damp sponge, but it would seem that the dry clay is something you might be
allergic to. Sometimes I wear a bandana across my mouth and nose to clean, and
do somewhat better. Being dry, and using scraping tools, my throat swells, and
I can't talk
or breathe very well.
It sounds like some dust is getting by, despite the damp sponge. Take an
allergy tablet about an hour before you intend to clean and see if it doesn't
help. Sincerely, jp
Gary Harvey on tue 27 jan 04
I am also an Allergy sufferer. A simple dusk mask (Or a respirator that you
use for spraying glaze) that you can buy from a discount house or hardware
store will help. I also place a fan aimed (in warm weather) at my face and
work to the back side of the direction of air flow so the air is blowing the
dusk away from my face. Other than that you might need meds to offset the
dusk. Vacumn you work space regularly might help. Good luck. GH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan L. Peterson"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Greenware Cleaning Tips
> My allergy is the clay dust. You are keeping the dust down by cleaning
with a
> damp sponge, but it would seem that the dry clay is something you might be
> allergic to. Sometimes I wear a bandana across my mouth and nose to clean,
and
> do somewhat better. Being dry, and using scraping tools, my throat swells,
and
> I can't talk
> or breathe very well.
> It sounds like some dust is getting by, despite the damp sponge. Take an
> allergy tablet about an hour before you intend to clean and see if it
doesn't
> help. Sincerely, jp
>
>
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