Fredrick Paget on tue 27 jan 04
>Howdy
>
>So I've been looking at my options, and the infrared propane heaters
>look interesting, but I think I'll need more of a space heater. And
>I'm concerned about their CO emissions, effectiveness, and cost of
>operation. I've got a good CO monitor, but I don't want to add any
>to my air.
>,,,,,,,,,,,ate learning what others do to heat their similar space.
>Oh... I've got natural gas available in the garage, and in case you
>haven't heard, electricity is pretty damned expensive here.,
>Maurice
Hi Maurice,
Come over and I will show you my vented gas wall mounted heater. I
think it may be able to do the trick for you. I got it from Grainger.
Fred
--
From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
fredrick@well.com
Maurice Weitman on tue 27 jan 04
Howdy,
Moving my studio into my garage is coming along (thanks, in part, to
your encouragement for my getting rid of all those magazines), and
I'm now thinking of how I'll keep warm during the winter months.
Like now.
No, I'll not complain about our weather; my right-coast family and
friends would pour ice cubes down my back if I complained about what
we here near San Francisco laughingly call winter. Still, it would
be more than uncomfortable to work in my garage without heat.
For context, my garage is attached to, and below the house. Three
walls, including the 18'-wide overhead door are exposed, and the
other abuts an unheated basement. All walls and the ceiling are
insulated and sheetrocked. Both the garage and basement have 4" x
14" grills for ventilation. The ceiling is below living space. The
floor is concrete.
So I've been looking at my options, and the infrared propane heaters
look interesting, but I think I'll need more of a space heater. And
I'm concerned about their CO emissions, effectiveness, and cost of
operation. I've got a good CO monitor, but I don't want to add any
to my air.
I'll add insulation to the overhead door and I'm not sure what to do
about the floor. Concrete is easiest to clean, but, well, it sure
sucks the heat out of the space.
I'd appreciate learning what others do to heat their similar space.
Oh... I've got natural gas available in the garage, and in case you
haven't heard, electricity is pretty damned expensive here.
Thanks.
Regards,
Maurice
http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
L. P. Skeen on tue 27 jan 04
Mo, I use a kerosun to heat our 22x22' garage. It's a small one, and it can
raise the temperature between 20 and 30 degrees depending on how cold it was
to start with in the room.
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maurice Weitman"
> Moving my studio into my garage is coming along > I'm now thinking of how
I'll keep warm during the winter months.
> Like now.
Jeanette Harris on tue 27 jan 04
>I'd appreciate learning what others do to heat their similar space.
>Oh... I've got natural gas available in the garage, and in case you
>haven't heard, electricity is pretty damned expensive here.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>Maurice
Hi, Maurice,
I have a double garage, insulated sheet rock walls and good windows,
insulated garage doors. I've found that I'm very comfortable there
with just one of those little oil-filled electric radiators. I keep
it on about a 2 setting (it goes to 10, I think.) It doesn't cost
much to run and there's no fumes, dust stirring or any other bad
things going on with it. I bought mine on sale for about $39.00 on
sale at Home Depot.
My area is very similar to yours weather-wise.
Cheers
Jeanette Harris
in Poulsbo WA
Jeff Brown on wed 28 jan 04
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:32:44 -0800, Maurice Weitman wrote:
>>
>I'd appreciate learning what others do to heat their similar space.
>Oh... I've got natural gas available in the garage, and in case you
>haven't heard, electricity is pretty damned expensive here.
>
I am heating an old barn with a ''Direct Vent'' propane heater that I found
used. Empire is the manufacturer, and they make these heaters with and
without blowers. The best feature of this type of heater is not having to
install a chimney system...The heater vents strait through the wall. That
would eliminate the CO emission from an un-vented heater, without the cost
and trouble of the standard chimney.
Jeff Brown
950 1st NH Turnpike
Northwood, NH 03261
(603) 942-8829
http://www.jeffbrownpottery.com
Kathy Forer on wed 28 jan 04
Maurice,
I've been meaning to write the list that I finally got my heater
installed. But I've been so busy down there, so comfortable, that I
have a backlog of email, ignored in favor of warm studio heat. It's a
wondrous thing, to have heat, air, hot water, light and space!
What I ended up doing was getting a direct vent gas heater. I bought a
Rinnai 1004. Rinnai is either Japanese or Australian and the machine is
beautifully made and very efficient=cost effective. There were other
brands, but I splurged on this quiet, well-recommended one as it had
the highest btus + efficiency. There is no odor whatsoever and it's
very quiet and doesn't stir up any air or dust. I ruled out unvented
heaters early on.
It took an overnight and a half to get the space from 48 degrees F to
70 degrees then I reduced back down to 66, and four days later, the
basement is still drying out. There's a lot of condensation from some
unpainted areas on the outside of this cinder-block bunker, but that's
equalizing as the frozen parts thaw. I'll have to wait for spring to
paint the outside, but can add more Drylock inside paint now.
Apparently concrete floors on grade won't freeze and will probably be
ten degrees above freezing, without heat. My floors finally warmed up,
or got rid of their chill, after three days, but they were never that
bad. At first their chill and immediate heat-loss was noticeable and it
worried me, but they're just fine now. At one point I had painted the
floors grey and that seemed to have some effect keeping the ground
moisture out.
My challenge was finding someone to install the heater. One plumber
estimated a day and a half! It ended up taking about five hours, and
should have been three, but it was something out of the three stooges,
with me having to read the instructions for the venting.
The plumber I had contracted to do the job sent over someone else. I
had waited three weeks for him and watched two other of his
sub-plumbers leave and say they'd be right back then the head guy would
apologize, saying something about burst pipes and store-moving. Finally
when a father and son came on Saturday, I was happy to see them despite
their immediate inability to inspire my confidence. Especially when
they just knocked out the cinder block with my star drill and didn't
have the proper tools, didn't allow for an extra tee for an eventual
replacement hot water heater (and I didn't catch on until it was too
late though I might have insisted otherwise), cut the CSST
_Are_You_Serious_.shtml> too short, didn't angle the vent right,
attached the pipe all crooked or numerous other things -- and possibly
had a liquid, beer, breakfast break. They were both very nice though...
and with me reading the instructions (which were really quite simple,
but required reading), we finally got done. I know more about gas and
plumbing than I'd wanted to, also about vetting plumbers. I kept
expecting the original plumber (who i knew and was a very good plumber,
but is now apparently a terrible contractor) to show and finally
realized that wasn't part of the deal.
Immediately after the space started heating up, I noticed some odd
drafts. I used heat shrink plastic sheeting on an adjacent side glass
panel door which made a big difference in the overall heat loss, though
there are 4 other glass doors and one more static glass panel in the
room (triple glass doors replacing overhead garage doors), this one
seemed to interfere the most.
If you have oil, there are some good direct vent heaters that seem very
efficient, but the Rinnai was my choice. Good luck and enjoy your heat!
Time for me to go see how warm it is.... there's a nasty storm
a-stirring here between DC and NYC. First sleet and ice, now snow, the
roads will be terrible for days. I just hope there's no black ice.
Highways were 35 mph earlier. Even slower.
Kathy
Kathy Forer
http://kforer.com
http://foreverink.com
Kasia Bock-Leja on thu 29 jan 04
Here in WISCONSIN where the winters are for REAL we converted our garage
to a studio as well. We put insulation in the walls and had a small
forced air gas furnace installed. We keep it set at 55 degrees unless
we're in the studio, and then we turn it all the way up to 60 degrees!
Comfy Coz.
Kasia
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Maurice
Weitman
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:33 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Heating a studio F.K.A. a garage
Howdy,
Moving my studio into my garage is coming along (thanks, in part, to
your encouragement for my getting rid of all those magazines), and I'm
now thinking of how I'll keep warm during the winter months. Like now.
No, I'll not complain about our weather; my right-coast family and
friends would pour ice cubes down my back if I complained about what we
here near San Francisco laughingly call winter. Still, it would be more
than uncomfortable to work in my garage without heat.
For context, my garage is attached to, and below the house. Three
walls, including the 18'-wide overhead door are exposed, and the other
abuts an unheated basement. All walls and the ceiling are insulated and
sheetrocked. Both the garage and basement have 4" x 14" grills for
ventilation. The ceiling is below living space. The floor is concrete.
So I've been looking at my options, and the infrared propane heaters
look interesting, but I think I'll need more of a space heater. And I'm
concerned about their CO emissions, effectiveness, and cost of
operation. I've got a good CO monitor, but I don't want to add any to
my air.
I'll add insulation to the overhead door and I'm not sure what to do
about the floor. Concrete is easiest to clean, but, well, it sure sucks
the heat out of the space.
I'd appreciate learning what others do to heat their similar space.
Oh... I've got natural gas available in the garage, and in case you
haven't heard, electricity is pretty damned expensive here.
Thanks.
Regards,
Maurice
http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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Paul B on thu 29 jan 04
Where i live in Ky, it is the opposite in that propane is expensive and
electricity is reasonable. I also work out of a garage, it's about a three
car garage size, and this winter i finally put in 220 v baseboard heaters.
They are six feet long and i put in two of them, cost less than a hundred
dollars for everything. Temperature has been getting down to around 10
degrees outside and it is nice and warm in there. These type of heaters are
more effecient that the 110 v space heaters - those really pull a lot of
amps. If you are paying a lot for electricity, i would not use those
things. Either go with 220 v heaters or a gas system.
Paul B
Falmouth, Ky
Kathi LeSueur on tue 3 feb 04
claycooker@PEOPLEPC.COM wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:32:44 -0800, Maurice Weitman wrote:
>
>I'd appreciate learning what others do to heat their similar space.
>Oh... I've got natural gas available in the garage, and in case you
>haven't heard, electricity is pretty damned expensive here.>>
>
>
I bought a Sears Vent through the wall gas heater in 1987. It has no
blower so I don't get drafts. It heats the space of a 2 1/2 car garage
that is well insulated.(The other side of the studio is heated by the
heat emitted from my kilns) I've never had to have it cranked up all of
the way. Even in sub-zero weather. I swear by the efficiency and
reliability of this heater.
Kathi
>
>
>
>
>
>
Kathy Forer on fri 6 feb 04
Kathi, Sears no longer sells direct vent heaters!
...unless they do in other climates than mine. Not on their web site
either.
The other major house-goods stores still sell them, I wonder why Sears
stopped.
Try Cozy, Williams, Empire, Mr. Heater, Empire, Forsaire, Schwank,
Toyo, Monitor or Rinnai.
http://www.victormfg.com in CT is good.
Now that the frost is off the walls studio temp is comfortable at 60-62.
Drawers open and there's a chance to eliminate mold once and for all.
Kathy
On Feb 3, 2004, at 5:16 PM, Kathi LeSueur wrote:
> I bought a Sears Vent through the wall gas heater in 1987. It has no
> blower so I don't get drafts. It heats the space of a 2 1/2 car garage
> that is well insulated.(The other side of the studio is heated by the
> heat emitted from my kilns) I've never had to have it cranked up all
> of
> the way. Even in sub-zero weather. I swear by the efficiency and
> reliability of this heater.
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