SCOTT YEIP on tue 27 jan 04
Don't roll your eyes.
I admit it, I'm a newbie (only 3yrs in clay).
I want it all, I wanna know what all of you know.
I recently found a seller for Albany slip, so of course I want some.
Now, I found someone selling what they are saying is Michigan slip.
They say that it comes in a liquid form.
So, here is what I want to know.
Did MI slip always comes in a liquid form, was it available dry?
Could this be the real thing or are they pulling my leg?
Amy
John Rodgers on thu 29 jan 04
I can't help but question what Michigan Slip is. It may be legit. It may
not. Albany Slip is widely recognized and accepted with in clay circles
as having certain qualities with repeatable results. as well as being
geographically unique. But you are right to be suspicious of other
"name" slips. Heck, I can make you Alabama slip, or Alaska Slip, or
Mississippi Slip or Frog Holler Slip or........ Get my drift? I would
want to be sure it met some standard and was recognized and accepted by
the trade. There's all kinds of slips, with all kinds of applications,
but only one unique Albany Slip.
Regards,
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
SCOTT YEIP wrote:
>Don't roll your eyes.
>I admit it, I'm a newbie (only 3yrs in clay).
>I want it all, I wanna know what all of you know.
>I recently found a seller for Albany slip, so of course I want some.
>Now, I found someone selling what they are saying is Michigan slip.
>They say that it comes in a liquid form.
>So, here is what I want to know.
>Did MI slip always comes in a liquid form, was it available dry?
>Could this be the real thing or are they pulling my leg?
>Amy
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Lee Love on fri 30 jan 04
John Rodgers wrote:
> I can't help but question what Michigan Slip is. It may be legit. It may
> not.
Michigan slip is "for real." I've substituted Alberta slip for it in
Sander's Tamba recipe.
Lee In http://Mashiko.us
kterpstra on fri 30 jan 04
When I took this job in La Crosse over 7 years ago, I "inherited" a 100
lb. bag of Michigan slip (dry). I asked my former professor Bunny
McBride about it and he said, "Use it like any other slip. Albany,
Alberta, etc. It is no longer mined." Well, I've been so busy with
other tests I've forgotten about it. Now I'm curious.I'm pulling it out
of the back of the store room.
I have a couple real energetic assistants this semester who will help
with tests. We'll start trying it in the salt and wood kiln this
semester.
Anyone else out there with Michigan slip knowledge? I'll report results
back to whomever is interested. (You may have to remind me.) Both salt
and wood kilns are outdoors. We won't be firing out there for awhile!
.woke up to -14 below and 35 degree wind chill. Schools are closed (of
course not the university).
Karen Terpstra
La Crosse, WI
From: John Rodgers
Subject: Re: Michigan slip
>I can't help but question what Michigan Slip is. It may be legit. It
may not..
SCOTT YEIP wrote:
.I found someone selling what they are saying is Michigan slip.
>They say that it comes in a liquid form. So, here is what I want to
>know. Did MI slip always comes in a liquid form, was it available dry?
>Could this be the real thing or are they pulling my leg?
>Amy
WHC228@AOL.COM on fri 30 jan 04
When I first started to make pots in 1969 there was all of the Michigan slip
that you could use. We used it a lot like Albany, but it didn't have a lot of
Iron. It made a decent celedon. A steel company bought out the entire
supply/mine, and it became unavailible.
Some folks got some stuff that was similar in Lansing Mich. when the
instructor at MSU at that time had some clay that was dug out of the Cedar River set
aside for his students to learn glaze calc with.
I suspect the clay that Plainsman sells called Ravenscrag might be a
substitute.
Cat Jarosz on fri 30 jan 04
Hi Karen,
well I can't tell you to much about Michigan Slip but here is what I
remember. It has everything in it to be a Glaze all on its own at cone 10 ....
Silica , Clay and Flux in the right amounts.... I recall it made a beautiful
glaze and if you'd like I can go look for that old old old notebook from back
in early 80's that has that recipe... hopefully I can find it ... with a few
other ingredients I think it made a beautiful green glaze ...
The only reason I remember this is because of glaze calculation classes
and how I thought it was amazing that there was a mineral mined that had
everything in the right amounts.. warm regards, Cat Jarosz
in freezing cold icey nc mnts.
Bob Masta on fri 30 jan 04
Parmelee, on page 322, mentions a slip from Rowley, Michigan.
I belive he said it was similar to Albany Slip. (I don't have my
own copy of Parmelee, this is from my notes based upon a
copy from the library.) I've often wondered about this clay.
The town of Rowley must be pretty small, since it doesn't
show up on a standard highway map index. It might not
even exist anymore, since Parmelee is such an old reference.
Anyone know about this?
Robert Masta
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Sue Leabu on fri 30 jan 04
Cat Jarosz wrote:
>well I can't tell you to much about Michigan Slip but here is what I
remember. It has everything in it to be a Glaze all on its own at cone
10 ....Silica , Clay and Flux in the right amounts.... I recall it
made a beautiful glaze
A local potter friend here in SW Michigan makes a very lovely glaze from
native clay deposits found along Lake Michigan. Not positive of the exact
recipe, but I know it's mostly native clay with a small percentage (like 15
to 20%)of nepheline syenite added for additional flux. She fires ^8
reduction. It's a very nice semi-matte subtly-iron-spotted rich olive
color. Beautiful!
Sue, in Kalamazoo
Sue Leabu on fri 30 jan 04
Karen Terpstra wrote:
>Now I'm curious.I'm pulling it outof the back of the store room.
>I have a couple real energetic assistants this semester who will help
>with tests. We'll start trying it in the salt and wood kiln this
>semester.
>Anyone else out there with Michigan slip knowledge? I'll report results
>back to whomever is interested.
Hi Karen,
I'd be very interested in hearing about MI slip results in salt, and even
moreso, wood firings. I'm going to be attending a local clay dig this
summer, and will be participating in an Anagama firing in the fall. Keep us
posted! Thanks!
Sue, Kalamazoo
John Rodgers on fri 30 jan 04
ooohhhK!
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
>>Michigan slip is "for real." I've substituted Alberta slip for it in
Sander's Tamba recipe. <<<
Lee In http://Mashiko.us
kterpstra on sat 31 jan 04
OK. I'm committed to testing it now. We will use alone on greenware for
wood and salt.
Nils Lou told me to: 1. try it under a) clear glaze and b) white glaze
in the gas kiln.should get "leopard spotting".
2. Add 3% cobalt for a great black.
3. Sprinkle rutile and colmanite (50/50) over it for sunburst gold
spots.
I told him, "all the guys older that dirt know how to use this slip." He
laughed.
He brought up another slip I hadn't used for awhile. Barnard slip. I
used it several years ago in the wood kiln where it turned shades of
black with "purpley" flashing. Nils said for the gas kiln to put copper
red over it for a mottled purple.
We will try a few of these "old timer" tricks this semester. Don't
worry. We go through the list of glaze safety tests that are listed in
John and Ron's cone 6 book. We've had good success using those tests
for our cone 10's.
Cat, if you dig out that old book of yours you will probably find
something you want to revive. That's the great thing about saving old
notebooks and sketchbooks!
While I'm at it I may as well play with an old bag of Jordan that's been
sitting around as well.
Happy testing,
Karen Terpstra
La Crosse, WI
PS. Oh Joyce, I am skipping out on NCECA this year. I will miss seeing
you all! It falls on our spring break and I need to make work for a show
Nils and I are having in Portland in August. Keep the "dress up",
'dress down", "at least dress" Clayart Cocktail Party going. I need an
excuse to buy something snazzy for Baltimore.
Russel Fouts on sun 1 feb 04
>> The only reason I remember this is because of glaze calculation classes and how I thought it was amazing that there was a mineral mined that had everything in the right amounts<<
That's right, "Michigan, Water, Winter, Wonderland and land of cone ten
glazes right out of the ground". They would have put it all on the
license plates but it wouldn't fit and still be readable without
tailgating.
The fact is that most naturally occuring earthernware clays will make
glazes at cone ten. Some of them real nice, mix in a little ash and they
become REALLY nice.
Russel
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Bonnie Staffel on sun 1 feb 04
Hi Karen,
I used Michigan Slip while at Cranbrook. My results were sort of an ochre
colored glaze fired to probably Cone 10 in the electric kiln. At that time
it didn't seem to call for further experimentation by me. It was part of
the chemicals available for the students. Now whether that slip was made
from another source, it may be a dark slip glaze. I used to purchase red
clay from a flower pot mfg. company near Flat Rock, MI. I recall during a
visit to the factory they had a huge vat under the floor filled with liquid
slip clay. They then pressed the water out using those canvas things and a
big squeeze. Sure was nice clay compared to the field tile clay I used and
had to clean myself. That factory was in Perrysburg, OH at the time. I
also used a Michigan clay mined near Lansing, I recall. It was filled with
impurities and had a lot of sulphur fumes. However, for the project I was
working on, it was great. So depending upon where in Michigan it was mined,
might make a difference in final color.
Regards,
Bonnie Staffel
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Bill Merrill on thu 10 sep 09
This highly unlikely, but does anyone know of any slip from the past
(Michigan Slip) that someone may have stashed and never uses that could
be for sale?
=3D20
Bill Merrill bmerrill@pencol.edu
KATHI LESUEUR on thu 10 sep 09
About twenty-five years ago John Glick put an ad in Ceramics Monthly,
"Michigan Slip wanted, any quantity". By that time no supplier in
Michigan had it available and I'd guess that if there was any hanging
around John got it.
KATHI LESUEUR
http://www.lesueurclaywork.com
On Sep 10, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Bill Merrill wrote:
> This highly unlikely, but does anyone know of any slip from the past
> (Michigan Slip) that someone may have stashed and never uses that
> could
> be for sale?
>
>
>
> Bill Merrill bmerrill@pencol.edu
>
Lee Love on thu 10 sep 09
I sub Alberta Slip for Michigan Slip in Sander's Tamba ash recipe with
good success.
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James Freeman on thu 10 sep 09
Bill...
Living in Michigan, I have been trying to track down information on
"Michigan Slip" for some time now. No one seems to know the name of
the company that mined it, nor the location of the mine. Do you have
any information on either of these? If I can locate the area, and if
it is anywhere near me, I plan to go dig some. If I can find it, I
would be happy to share the bounty.
I recently spoke at length to our State Geologist. He had no
knowledge of "Michigan Slip". I mentioned a theory I heard that it is
part of a long vein of such slip clay stretching from Albany, NY
through northern Ohio. He found this idea to be somewhat dubious.
The State Geologist sent me a fascinating 1924 book in searchable pdf
format entitled:
CLAYS AND SHALES OF MICHIGAN AND THEIR USES
BY GEORGE GRANGER BROWN, Ph. D.
PREPARED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF
R. A. SMITH, State Geologist
IN COOPERATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
CHEMICAL ENGINEERING UNIVERSITY OF
MICHIGAN
A thesis submitted in partial fulfillment of the requirements for
the degree of Chemical Engineer in New York University.
PUBLISHED AS A PART OF THE ANNUAL REPORT OF THE
GEOLOGICAL SURVEY DIVISION FOR 1924.
Besides a wealth of information on aluminosilicate and other ceramic
minerals, their location, and their processing and uses, it also
contains information, diagrams, and photographs of many of the
industrial and commercial kilns in operation at the time. I have only
recently begun to peruse it, but can say that it will prove
fascinating reading for any clay geek whether located in Michigan or
otherwise. If I can find a few moments today or tomorrow, I will
upload the document to my clayart page and make it available for
download for anyone who is interested. I will post a message to the
list when the document is available.
All the best.
...James
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Bill Merrill wrote:
> This highly unlikely, but does anyone know of any slip from the past
> (Michigan Slip) that someone may have stashed and never uses that could
> be for sale?
>
>
>
> Bill Merrill =3DA0 =3DA0bmerrill@pencol.edu
>
KATHI LESUEUR on thu 10 sep 09
On Sep 10, 2009, at 2:51 PM, James Freeman wrote:
> Bill...
>
> Living in Michigan, I have been trying to track down information on
> "Michigan Slip" for some time now. No one seems to know the name of
> the company that mined it, nor the location of the mine. Do you have
> any information on either of these? If I can locate the area, and if
> it is anywhere near me, I plan to go dig some. If I can find it, I
> would be happy to share the bounty.
>
James,
The last time I saw any Michigan slip was just before I graduated in
1971. Everyone in my ceramics program at Eastern Michigan University
loved the look. Like Albany, it was just add water and pour. When it
became unavailable we all dreamed about finding and digging our own.
But, it was not to be. Michigan IS clay. I could dig it right in my
back yard, or front. Michigan slip was a very small pocket with
unique properties. No one I know ever found any clay seam that even
came close. Remember, that was still the era of the brown jug, the
brown liners for Crockpots, and those brown mugs that every diner
used. They didn't stop mining it because it wasn't wanted, they
stopped because it ran out. I applaud your desire to find a new vein
and "dig some" but I fear you are setting out on a fool's mission. If
no one has found more of it to mine in the twenty-five years since I
graduated ( and many of us have looked), I doubt it exists.
KATHI LESUEUR
http://www.lesueurclaywork.com
James Freeman on thu 10 sep 09
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:12 PM, KATHI LESUEUR
wrote:
>I applaud your desire to find a new vein
> and "dig some"
Actually, I was hoping to find the uneconomic tail end or dregs from
the original pit.
>but I fear you are setting out on a fool's mission.
Wouldn't be the first time! :-)
Thanks for the info, Kathi.
Take care.
...James
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