pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 3 feb 04
Hi Elenor,
My compliments on the quality of your thought...
That is a very interesting and tender speculation of a
possibly quite understandable and I think probable ancient
Ice Age convention...as could address the privations of the
Ice Time's certain starkness, protracted blizzards as may
occur in inopportune times of want already...
Too, evidences exist, of peoples in Europe at that time, as
are indicative or suggestive of Cannibalism I believe...with
certainly no recognisable indications of the emotional or
logistical or other deferential conditions under which it
may have been practiced.
I find your mention very interesting, and tender, as
respects could be paid as you say, in memorative figurines
as I think would not be kept...but as might be made with
some care, and then be set somewhere or considerately layed
somehow...specially...whether a group thence moved far
'on'...or not...that such a thing could have been done,
seems probable to me...and, quite moving.
This may not exclude the posibility of other kinds of
figurines being made as well, for deferential considerations
of other kinds...but so far, your mention rang a bell for
me, and no other speculation as I have read or thought
of...has...
Yours,
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eleanor"
> I think if I were to make a "fertility" figure, it would
represent a
> pregnant woman-- swollen belly, protruding milk-filled
breasts-- a
> youthful body.
>
> The various "venus" figurines I have seen have features in
common--
> pendulous abdomens and breasts, fat deposits on the hips--
features
> belonging to fat old women (and I'm a fat old woman, so I
should
> know) who have long since ceased having the ability to
bear children.
>
> During Ice Age winters famine could prevail. A primitive
fat old
> woman, having outlived her usefulness as a mother and a
gatherer, may
> have had only one other function left to help insure the
survival of
> the group and that is as food for the next generation.
>
> This is a grisly thought I know and it isn't found
anywhere in
> archeological literature that I know of but at that time
in
> pre-history survival was what it was all about.
>
> Perhaps these venuses were carved as testaments to the
sacrificed grandmas.
>
> Eleanor Kohler
> Centerport, NY
>
> mini Ice Age here....uh oh!
Mildred Herot on tue 3 feb 04
Now my story is as follows: God created woman and all the animals and,
several weeks later, went to visit her to see how she was doing. Sshe
replied that she was fine but the three boobs God had given her were just
too much. God said he thought it would be okay since it was half of what he
had given the animals but he took the middle one aand threw it in the
bushes. Again several weeks go by and God visits Eve again and her
complaint now is that she is lonely. She said all the animals have mates
except her. God thought about this for a nimute and decided she was right.
He decided to create Adam and began to think, "Now where did I throw that
useless boob. This is my story and I'm sticking to it.....Mildred Herot
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: fertility goddesses? - Elenor's mention...
> Hi Elenor,
>
>
>
>
> My compliments on the quality of your thought...
>
>
> That is a very interesting and tender speculation of a
> possibly quite understandable and I think probable ancient
> Ice Age convention...as could address the privations of the
> Ice Time's certain starkness, protracted blizzards as may
> occur in inopportune times of want already...
>
> Too, evidences exist, of peoples in Europe at that time, as
> are indicative or suggestive of Cannibalism I believe...with
> certainly no recognisable indications of the emotional or
> logistical or other deferential conditions under which it
> may have been practiced.
>
>
> I find your mention very interesting, and tender, as
> respects could be paid as you say, in memorative figurines
> as I think would not be kept...but as might be made with
> some care, and then be set somewhere or considerately layed
> somehow...specially...whether a group thence moved far
> 'on'...or not...that such a thing could have been done,
> seems probable to me...and, quite moving.
>
>
> This may not exclude the posibility of other kinds of
> figurines being made as well, for deferential considerations
> of other kinds...but so far, your mention rang a bell for
> me, and no other speculation as I have read or thought
> of...has...
>
>
>
>
> Yours,
>
>
> Phil
> Las Vegas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eleanor"
>
> > I think if I were to make a "fertility" figure, it would
> represent a
> > pregnant woman-- swollen belly, protruding milk-filled
> breasts-- a
> > youthful body.
> >
> > The various "venus" figurines I have seen have features in
> common--
> > pendulous abdomens and breasts, fat deposits on the hips--
> features
> > belonging to fat old women (and I'm a fat old woman, so I
> should
> > know) who have long since ceased having the ability to
> bear children.
> >
> > During Ice Age winters famine could prevail. A primitive
> fat old
> > woman, having outlived her usefulness as a mother and a
> gatherer, may
> > have had only one other function left to help insure the
> survival of
> > the group and that is as food for the next generation.
> >
> > This is a grisly thought I know and it isn't found
> anywhere in
> > archeological literature that I know of but at that time
> in
> > pre-history survival was what it was all about.
> >
> > Perhaps these venuses were carved as testaments to the
> sacrificed grandmas.
> >
> > Eleanor Kohler
> > Centerport, NY
> >
> > mini Ice Age here....uh oh!
>
>
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