kathy_chamberlin on thu 1 apr 04
thank you for your honest post karen, in regards to ceramics monthly
acceptance of work. I must be in the minority. I submitted several
slides of my work to the editor of that magazine to be considered in
the GEIL kiln full page ad. The ad features a pot fired in a Geil Kiln
that an artist owns. I was so hopeful, but they told me my work was
not good or professional enough to be considered for this ad in their
magazine. I was devastated, still am. I truly thought my work was as
good as any other featured clay artist, that fires in a Geil kiln. So
go figure, different tastes for different folks. thanks kathy
This is my clay work: http://www.aspenceramicstudio.com/
MarjB on thu 1 apr 04
Morning Kathy
I am of the understanding that a person was to submit the pics to the
Coleman's for consideration in the Geil ads...maybe yours were just
misdirected ? MarjB
----- Original Message -----
From: "kathy_chamberlin"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: ceramics monthly rejected my ceramic work!
> thank you for your honest post karen, in regards to ceramics monthly
> acceptance of work. I must be in the minority. I submitted several
> slides of my work to the editor of that magazine to be considered in
> the GEIL kiln full page ad. The ad features a pot fired in a Geil Kiln
> that an artist owns. I was so hopeful, but they told me my work was
> not good or professional enough to be considered for this ad in their
> magazine. I was devastated, still am. I truly thought my work was as
> good as any other featured clay artist, that fires in a Geil kiln. So
> go figure, different tastes for different folks. thanks kathy
>
>
> This is my clay work: http://www.aspenceramicstudio.com/
>
>
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claybair on thu 1 apr 04
Kathy,
Be secure in knowing your work is stunning!
You know it, I know it & I'd bet most of Clayart
would be in agreement.
There is no telling why your work was rejected.
Trying to figure it out is non productive because
there are too many unknowns..... politics,
a 1000 other submissions,
desiring well known names, flaw in the slides,
does the work clash with the color of the kilns,
the weather, Taro cards.... who knows???
I got wait listed again for a show yesterday.
It's a well known show in my area. Now a person who
makes cookie cutter forms, uses commercial bisque
and only paints primary colors on these cartoon-like pieces
got in last year and prolly this year too. Go figure.
Now I will always work on what I can do to improve
my work/display but am I crushed.... naaaa it's unproductive
and not worth it. It a matter of degrees I guess because
I am annoyed....... but that inspires me to do better.
The trick is to keep doing what you love to do in spite of
whatever comes flying at you be it ATV's, the news, politics,
neighbors felling trees, illness etc. etc. you get the picture.
BTW I have spent more time looking at your beautiful work on
your web site than reading any Geil ad.
Best regards,
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: kathy_chamberlin
thank you for your honest post karen, in regards to ceramics monthly
acceptance of work. I must be in the minority. I submitted several
slides of my work to the editor of that magazine to be considered in
the GEIL kiln full page ad. The ad features a pot fired in a Geil Kiln
that an artist owns. I was so hopeful, but they told me my work was
not good or professional enough to be considered for this ad in their
magazine. I was devastated, still am. I truly thought my work was as
good as any other featured clay artist, that fires in a Geil kiln. So
go figure, different tastes for different folks. thanks kathy
This is my clay work: http://www.aspenceramicstudio.com
kathy_chamberlin on thu 1 apr 04
yes that is the correct protocal, Submit your slides to elaine and tom
coleman first, and then supposedly it is sent on to the editors of
ceramic monthly for final consideration. Or that was told to me. They
did have additional comments in regards to my submission, that i
should keep trying and maybe someday i might make the grade.
I do have some consolation to all this, pottery making illustrated is
printing some of my how-to articles. that is great, i am really
encouraged with that acceptance.
thanks kathy
http://www.aspenceramicstudio.com/
Earl Brunner on thu 1 apr 04
I see a couple of issues here. In looking at your website, I think it's not so much your work (it's fine) as your photography that may not meet their needs or standards if that is what they said. You should avoid the plate stands and maybe try not to have the shadow line in the background like are in some of your website pictures. Second, CM doesn't decide what goes in the Geil Ad, Geil does, and he relies a lot on Tom Coleman to help him pick pottery for his ads. I know several of the potters featured have either been Tom's students or friends. I would submit my slides to Clay Times; they have a gallery page and show a lot of work.
In any case, I have always found the people from all of the ceramic magazines to be generous and helpful to a fault. Perhaps you could ask them for some clarification, or constructive criticism on what exactly they might be looking for in a slide. We have addressed slides and photography quality in the Clayart room at NCECA for at least the last three years and had representatives from different publications there to give their help and advice. It has been invaluable to those in attendance.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of kathy_chamberlin
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:27 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: ceramics monthly rejected my ceramic work!
thank you for your honest post karen, in regards to ceramics monthly
acceptance of work. I must be in the minority. I submitted several
slides of my work to the editor of that magazine to be considered in
the GEIL kiln full page ad. The ad features a pot fired in a Geil Kiln
that an artist owns. I was so hopeful, but they told me my work was
not good or professional enough to be considered for this ad in their
magazine. I was devastated, still am. I truly thought my work was as
good as any other featured clay artist, that fires in a Geil kiln. So
go figure, different tastes for different folks. thanks kathy
This is my clay work: http://www.aspenceramicstudio.com/
Earl Brunner
e-mail: brunv53@yahoo.com
Neil Fallon on thu 1 apr 04
Wow! I just visited the web site. Beautiful work. I'm not sure why the CM
editors (whose product I have read for over 30 years and really respect)
would reject any of THAT work, but as one of the other posts suggested,
perhaps it was something out of your control.
What is disheartening I think is "but they told me my work was not good or
professional enough to be considered for this ad in their magazine." In the
past I was a writer and received many rejection letters to article ideas or
articles themselves. Never did I get "your work is no good." Come on CM.
You can do better than that. By the way CM, if you need some ideas on
rejection letters, I have a few (smile).
Neil Fallon
Rock Pond Pottery
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of
kathy_chamberlin
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:27 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: ceramics monthly rejected my ceramic work!
thank you for your honest post karen, in regards to ceramics monthly
acceptance of work. I must be in the minority. I submitted several
slides of my work to the editor of that magazine to be considered in
the GEIL kiln full page ad. The ad features a pot fired in a Geil Kiln
that an artist owns. I was so hopeful, but they told me my work was
not good or professional enough to be considered for this ad in their
magazine. I was devastated, still am. I truly thought my work was as
good as any other featured clay artist, that fires in a Geil kiln. So
go figure, different tastes for different folks. thanks kathy
This is my clay work: http://www.aspenceramicstudio.com/
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Bobbruch1@AOL.COM on fri 2 apr 04
Earl Brunner write: I see a couple of issues here.=A0=20=
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the standards for publication. I believe that publications require much=20
greater depth of field
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that was an issue.
Bob Bruch
Russel on fri 2 apr 04
I don't know if anyone has explained WHAT is on the cover of the current CM
but I feel I have to.
In my opinion and in that of many others, Claudi Casanovas is one of the
most original clayartists working today. He's using "ceramic" materials in
ways that no one has even thought of before and solving techical problems
and problems of scale that no one has had to solve before. He's totally
original.
For instance, although the piece on the cover (from a series he
calls "Blocks") is small, other examples are MASSIVE. They are partially
frozen and then dropped from a height. The frozen "shell" breaks and the
unfrozen inner core holds it together.
Frankly, although I like the work very much, I don't think it's his best,
for that you have to go back to his amphora, giant bowls, teabowls and wall
pieces.
Before critisizing one example of someone's work, one should do a search on
the web to see other examples, read a little and then make their decision.
Casanovas, the late Pierre Bayle and a few others I consider my major
inspirations.
Russel (admittedly an enthusiast looking forward to getting this issue and
reading the article)
Ivor and Olive Lewis on fri 2 apr 04
Dear Kathy,
Submitting a picture to be appended to a commercial advert is subject
to the whims of the advertiser. You might have been rejected because
you did not have an deep enough CV.
Much better to write articles for publication. And if you do, be
prepared for rejection notices. When you get them re-edit them and
send them to other magazines. Remember, there are many Editors and
they all have differing philosophies. I get rejected by PMI because my
ideas are beyond the complexity needed by novice potters. I get
rejected by CM because artists are not interested in technical and
scientific topics. But I do get published by Ceramic Technical.
As folk on Clayart know, I write because it is a compulsive passion.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "kathy_chamberlin"
To:
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 4:56
Subject: Re: ceramics monthly rejected my ceramic work!
> thank you for your honest post karen, in regards to ceramics monthly
> acceptance of work. I must be in the minority. I submitted several
> slides of my work to the editor of that magazine to be considered in
> the GEIL kiln full page ad. The ad features a pot fired in a Geil
Kiln
> that an artist owns. I was so hopeful, but they told me my work was
> not good or professional enough to be considered for this ad in
their
> magazine. I was devastated, still am. I truly thought my work was as
> good as any other featured clay artist, that fires in a Geil kiln.
So
> go figure, different tastes for different folks. thanks kathy
>
>
> This is my clay work: http://www.aspenceramicstudio.com/
>
>
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Arnold Howard on mon 5 apr 04
Most magazines I've dealt with prefer medium-format slides rather than 35mm
for a cover.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P.
arnoldhoward@att.net
From:
slides that are acceptable for galleries or juried shows might not be up to
the standards for publication. I believe that publications require much
greater depth of field
in a slide than what is necessary for other uses. You might check to see if
that was an issue.
Karin Hurt on mon 5 apr 04
my own personal opinion is how in the hell did that stuff get on the cover
page of the current issue?
Karin
Lake Havasu City, Arizona
http://www.laughingbearpottery.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnold Howard"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: ceramics monthly rejected my ceramic work!
> Most magazines I've dealt with prefer medium-format slides rather than
35mm
> for a cover.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Arnold Howard
> Paragon Industries, L.P.
> arnoldhoward@att.net
>
> From:
> slides that are acceptable for galleries or juried shows might not be up
to
> the standards for publication. I believe that publications require much
> greater depth of field
> in a slide than what is necessary for other uses. You might check to see
if
> that was an issue.
>
>
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Russel Fouts on wed 7 apr 04
Karin,
>>My own personal opinion is how in the hell did that stuff get on the
cover page of the current issue? <<
Because it's genius! That's why.
Lighten up laffnbear, it's the editors show not ours.
Russel
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