Bobbruch1@AOL.COM on fri 16 apr 04
Lee writes: Of course we can always=20
learn from science,=A0 but we can
also learn from how work is=20
traditionally used. =A0 =A0=20
Our understanding of
the use of pottery in America
is somewhat limited. =A0 =A0 =A0=20
We can learn if
we are willing to look=20
outside our own culture.
Lee In Mashiko
Lee I hate to be the one to
break the news to you,=20
but from what I have heard,
many people in Japan do not
have great respect for
westerners who try to
directly copy=20
the work of their culture.
They want Americans=20
to do American work.
Are you there because
there are not enough
Japanese potters who
are capable=20
or interested in making
tea bowls and oribe wares?
I would doubt that.
Maybe you are there
because you cannot
make your own work?
That would tend to indicate
a lack of creativity
on your part, and with that,
one could impute a similar
lack of intelligence - but,
I won't go to the latter until I=20
have more proof.
So, if you are not very creative -
and perhaps not very bright -
why not at least
LISTEN TO
some of those on clayart
who are both.
If your ego prevents you
from doing that,
why not keep quiet
so the rest of us
can absorb some of
the KNOWLEDGE that
these researchers
have to offer.
Bob Bruch
Chris Rupp on fri 16 apr 04
Bob,
I have to say I am pretty put off by your attitude and am trying hard not to
use expletives in describing my feelings about it! It is one thing to debate
an issue, but a whole other can of worms when you personally attack and
disrespect someone on this list who has been around a long time and has
contributed much more than most ever will. You obviously don't know Lee or
his work and I seriously doubt that anyone on this list, if given the same
opportunity as Lee, would pass it up. He has a lot to teach, much to share,
and his insights into specific aspects of the Japanese ceramics scene have
been invaluable to many of us. May I suggest you try to learn something from
him regardless if you agree or not.
Chris
Sunny Santa Barbara
>From: Bobbruch1@AOL.COM
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: how work is traditionally used.
>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:16:44 EDT
>
>Lee writes: Of course we can always
>learn from science, but we can
>also learn from how work is
>traditionally used.
>Our understanding of
>the use of pottery in America
> is somewhat limited.
>We can learn if
>we are willing to look
>outside our own culture.
>Lee In Mashiko
>
>Lee I hate to be the one to
>break the news to you,
>but from what I have heard,
>many people in Japan do not
>have great respect for
>westerners who try to
>directly copy
>the work of their culture.
>They want Americans
>to do American work.
>Are you there because
>there are not enough
>Japanese potters who
>are capable
>or interested in making
>tea bowls and oribe wares?
>I would doubt that.
>Maybe you are there
>because you cannot
>make your own work?
>That would tend to indicate
>a lack of creativity
>on your part, and with that,
>one could impute a similar
>lack of intelligence - but,
>I won't go to the latter until I
>have more proof.
>So, if you are not very creative -
>and perhaps not very bright -
>why not at least
>LISTEN TO
>some of those on clayart
>who are both.
>If your ego prevents you
>from doing that,
>why not keep quiet
>so the rest of us
>can absorb some of
>the KNOWLEDGE that
>these researchers
>have to offer.
>
>Bob Bruch
>
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Snail Scott on sun 18 apr 04
At 08:16 AM 4/16/04 EDT, BobB wrote:
>...Maybe you [Lee] are there
>because you cannot
>make your own work?
>That would tend to indicate
>a lack of creativity
>on your part, and with that,
>one could impute a similar
>lack of intelligence...
Whoa, there!
I've had my share of disagreements with Lee L.
about the role of Japanese traditions in
contemporary ceramics, (search: 'lumpy
brown pots...') ;) and I've said so in
front of the whole Internet, but I hope I
never impugned Lee's qualities as an artisan
or as a human being, even by implication.
I have my doubts about the appropriateness
of many traditional glazes for food surfaces,
but I respect Lee's right to put forth his
views, and his knowledge base for doing so.
I also respect the credibility of the glaze-
stability advocates like John H., and their
civic-minded concern for the well-being of
others.
This is a discussion group, not a court of law.
No final verdict needs to be rendered, nor
enforced. Every member of this list is free to
review the arguments, seek corroboration of any
statement, and make up their own mind.
May we please agree to disagree, as vehemently
as we like, without resorting to petty sniping
and character assasination? If your argument
cannot hold its ground on its own merits,
contempt and derision will not improve it.
-Snail
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