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wayneinkeywest on wed 21 apr 04


Bruce (and all):
I've seen 5 megapixel cameras selling for less than $300 lately. In
the range of $250 actually. HPs, I believe.
Check your flyers. Another good source is ask.com. Let's you
compare models etc.
Happy hunting!

Wayne Seidl
Key West, Florida, USA
North America, Terra
Latitude 81.8, Longitude 24.4
Elevation 3.1 feet (1m)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Girrell"
> So with that out of the way, the next question is, does your
digital camera
> have the resolution necessary to produce a quality slide? A $250
> point-and-shoot digital isn't going to make it, but you don't have
to go for
> a $3500 Nikon D2 either. If you get a decent name brand camera
with at least
> 4-5 megapixels you will be getting sufficient resolution to make a
suitable
> image. Purists may argue that you need a few more pixels to match
the
> resolution of a good film image, but there are other practical
factors at
> work, not the least of which is the projection equipment that will
be used
> to show your slide to the jury.
>
> Bruce "holding out for the D2" Girrell

Iris Artist on thu 22 apr 04


Lajos Kamocsay wrote:
Carolyn,

Several Galleries are now advertising on-line submissions, so don't throw out the digital! I have a freind out here who does all my slides, and that is all he does, photos of art work, he's fairly inexpensive. The 35mm isn't hard to work, however, here is something. You can always print the digi on high quality paper, and then have a pro transfer it to slide. this way you can touch up if you need to.

~Stäcy, where the weather is hot and sticky and promising horrific thunderstorms the next few days.



Quoting Carolyn Bronowski :

> Hi clayarters. I need some advice. I have been using a digital camera to
> keep a personal record of my work; however, in order to enter a show, I have
> to send a slide. Slides are expensive to make from digital images. What is
> the trend for the future-will the digital image become acceptable for shows?
> Anybody out there willing to read the future for me? I have to make a
> decision of whether or not to buy a good 35 mm camera, and then learn to use
> it. Thanks Carolyn
>
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Kenneth J. Nowicki on thu 22 apr 04


Hi Carolyn,

I'm not sure anyone can "read the future" for you... and... I'm sure more
knowledgeable sources on this list will have more to contribute about this topic,
however, I have read numerous times that Kodak will stop selling it's
carousel slide projectors within a few years... and they say they will only
service/sell parts for them another 10 years or so after that. That being said, there
are naysayers out there that claim Kodak has been sending this message for
years and hasn't followed through on it. Either way, it is something to consider.
Digital is here it's here to stay. I don't think it's going the way of 8-track
tapes & Beta video.

There has been a slight shift in show promoters, museums, galleries, and
exhibition promoters who are finally beginning to accept digital work instead of
slides. I believe there has been mention of this in recent issues of The Crafts
Report (although I can't confirm for I am no longer a current subscriber). I
would venture to guess that this will be the coming trend of our future... but
it may take some time in getting here.

For me personally, I will probably continue to shoot my work in print film
and slides for the time being. It's not that expensive, and when shooting
slides... I just shoot off 8 or 10 slides of each image so I don't have to have
slide copies made... it's easier, cheaper, and the image quality is better.

I just recently bought my first little digital camera as sort of a fun
"family" camera, as the price was so cheap I just couldn't help myself... so I'm
just learning myself. It's a nifty Konica Minolta DiMAGE E323 (3.2 MegaPixels)
that was only $189 at Costco. So far it's been great, but I've only had about 6
weeks. After seeing what Russel F. did in the Clayart room with his little
digital... I may experiment some documenting some stuff of my own with this
camera. Russel got some pretty nifty results!

Down the road however, I am looking to make the shift in investing in a
digital SLR, like the Canon EOS Digital Rebel, or the sturdier built EOS-10D (both
with 6.3 MegaPixels) for documenting my pottery. The guys at B&H Photo in NYC
tell me that Minolta will be introducing their own digital SLR that allows one
to use any and all Minolta AF lenses on their new digital cameras... (just
like what Canon and Nikon have already done) and since I already own an
assortment of lenses for my "trusty" Minolta Maxxum 7000 AF SLR... I'll just wait and
save some big bucks on lenses. Lenses are "key"... and make a bigger
difference in the results than the camera body does. No sense in dumping more $$ into
more expensive lenses for a different brand of camera since I already own what
I need in a Minolta.

Great thread Carolyn, and I'm looking forward to hearing everyone else's
comments on this topic. :-)

Best regards,

- Ken


Kenneth J. Nowicki
Port Washington, NY
RakuArtist@aol.com

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In a message dated 04/21/04, cbronowski@CERES.K12.CA.US writes:
<>
> What is the trend for the future-will the digital image become acceptable
for shows?
> Anybody out there willing to read the future for me? I have to make a
decision of whether
> or not to buy a good 35 mm camera, and then learn to use it. Thanks Carolyn

Lajos Kamocsay on thu 22 apr 04


Carolyn,

The tricky bit with digital photography is color calibration.
The same image will look different on every monitor. There are
too many variables: your digital camera, graphics card, operating
system, tube vs lcd and wherever you set your knobs...
There is a monitor from Sony, the Artisan which you can calibrate,
but it's ~$800. However both you and the gallery would need to
not only have te same monitor, but also calibrate it to the same
setting.
It's a lot easier to get good color accuracy with slides. As long
as the bulb in your projector is in good condition and you project
onto a white surface (and turn the lights off) you'll get good results.
Much much better resolution, too.
You can get an awsome 35mm camera these days for not too much money.
Canon Rebel Ti, Nikon N75 comes to mind, both around $250 including
a basic lens.
Saying all this, I just sent some of my pots to a gallery, and the
owner picked the pieces based on digital photos, but I think he would've
made different choices based on slides.

Lajos



Quoting Carolyn Bronowski :

> Hi clayarters. I need some advice. I have been using a digital camera=
to
> keep a personal record of my work; however, in order to enter a show, I=
have
> to send a slide. Slides are expensive to make from digital images. Wha=
t is
> the trend for the future-will the digital image become acceptable for s=
hows?
> Anybody out there willing to read the future for me? I have to make a
> decision of whether or not to buy a good 35 mm camera, and then learn t=
o use
> it. Thanks Carolyn
>
> _______________________________________________________________________=
_______
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>
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>
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> melpots@pclink.com.
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Jocelyn McAuley on thu 22 apr 04


I'd like to point out that (we've discussed color calibration of
monitors before- so it should be in the archives) you only need software
to calibrate your monitor. Most graphics programs (Photoshop) come with
this ability.

I don't think 100% color accuracy is going to throw out your entry that
is being juried...
Color accuracy is more a concern for archiving images of your work- and
slide film is not going to outlast the years.



Lajos Kamocsay wrote:
> Carolyn,
>
> The tricky bit with digital photography is color calibration.
> The same image will look different on every monitor. There are
> too many variables: your digital camera, graphics card, operating
> system, tube vs lcd and wherever you set your knobs...
> There is a monitor from Sony, the Artisan which you can calibrate,
> but it's ~$800. However both you and the gallery would need to


--
Jocelyn McAuley
where the weather is being very bipolar

Bruce Girrell on fri 23 apr 04


> You can always print the digi on high quality
> paper, and then have a pro transfer it to slide.

Ick! No, no, no!

The photographic printing process - printing to paper - produces some of the
worst degradation of the image that there is. The paper has a limited
contrast range and the color dyes have a much more limited gamut than that
of slide film. Go directly from digital to slide.

Bruce Girrell
in _sunny_ northern Michigan
Please don't be offended by my jumping on you. I'm trying to be slightly
humorous, not nasty.

Concepts in Clay on tue 11 may 04


In a message dated 4/21/2004 5:49:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cbronowski@CERES.K12.CA.US writes:

> Hi clayarters. I need some advice. I have been using a digital camera to
> keep a personal record of my work; however, in order to enter a show, I have
> to send a slide. Slides are expensive to make from digital images. What is
> the trend for the future-will the digital image become acceptable for shows?
>

Carolyn

We just had a guy from a photo shop talk to our group. He made a very good
point about using a digital camera and having slides made from the pictures. It
is a bit costly. He charges $10. for the first and $2. for each thereafter.
BUT, you know exactly what you are getting. You take the picture and edit it
and only have the slide made after you are completely happy with the image. With
slide film you are never sure until you pick up the processed film.

Also, in this year's show applications I have seen a couple that will accept
pictures on CD's OR slides.

Bobbi in Carlisle, PA

Great art picks up where nature ends....... Marc Chagall

Lee Love on tue 11 may 04


Concepts in Clay wrote:

>
>We just had a guy from a photo shop talk to our group. He made a very good
>point about using a digital camera and having slides made from the pictures. It
>is a bit costly. He charges $10. for the first and $2. for each thereafter
>
>

I just had 24 35mm slides put on CD for about $9.00 I have a
scanner that will scan slides and negatives, but need to get some
English language software to make it work.

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