Gene and Dolita Dohrman on wed 28 apr 04
After following the discussion on leaching that eventually included =
glass, I am now wondering about Waterford crystal. As you may know, it =
has a high lead content. I have a decanter in which I keep sherry and =
have a nip every now and then. The sherry can sit in the decanter for =
months at a time. Is the lead really leaching into it? How can one =
test something like this?
Dolita
dohrman@insightbb.com
Louisville, KY
claybair on thu 29 apr 04
Edouard,
I must say I am a bit shocked by your
attitude! This is the first time I have felt
a polarity with one of your postings.
I am glad you are in good health and still enjoying
clay. I wish you another 36 healthy years in clay.
You are right... "There is no "one size fits all" way of dealing with
exposure to chemicals." That's why there are small, medium and large
masks, many different kiln vents and many governmental agencies
setting regulations and limits....antiquated thought they may be!:-)
I think, as this list is a teaching facility as much as any other school,
college,
studio, that we have a responsibility to ensure we do not recommend a
cavalier
attitude to others where safety is concerned.
I cannot advocate such behavior for anyone be they new or veteran potters.
So enjoy your sherry aged in a leaded crystal decanter just don't
be insulted if I decline to join you.
I will not argue this point ... Clayart archives is replete with info
on the subject.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Edouard Bastarache
Hey Claybair,
"Do you mix your glazes without a mask?
Do you fire without a vent?
Why subject yourself to toxic and brain damaging
elements if you can easily avoid them?"
I do all these things, I am 62 and still going in my daily
trade after 36 years of indulging in part-time ceramics.
There is no "one size fits all" way of dealing with
exposure to chemicals.
Later,
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
Edouard Bastarache
wayneinkeywest on thu 29 apr 04
Dolita:
You should be able to procure an inexpensive lead test kit from any
local department store or pharmacy near you. Test the sherry.
Personally, I poo-pooh the idea that "a nip now and then" is going
to hurt anyone, what with so many of us growing up in cities that
were once filled with lead-spewing auto exhaust.
I think the Hubble falling on my head would be a more valid concern
at this point in my life.
Still, it does not hurt to be safe.
Wayne Seidl
Key West, Florida, USA
North America, Terra
Latitude 81.8, Longitude 24.4
Elevation 3.1 feet (1m)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene and Dolita Dohrman"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 10:53 PM
Subject: OT-Waterford Crystal
After following the discussion on leaching that eventually included
glass, I am now wondering about Waterford crystal. As you may know,
it has a high lead content. I have a decanter in which I keep
sherry and have a nip every now and then. The sherry can sit in the
decanter for months at a time. Is the lead really leaching into it?
How can one test something like this?
Dolita
dohrman@insightbb.com
Louisville, KY
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claybair on thu 29 apr 04
Dolita,
Yes, most definitely yes lead is leaching into your sherry and you!!!
See http://www.potters.org/subject34576.htm
Do a search...... I just did one and got many sites like the one listed
above.
I typed in "lead leaching in leaded crystal"
Pour out that sherry and stop poisoning yourself.
Use your canister to serve not store.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Gene and
Dolita Dohrman
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:53 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: OT-Waterford Crystal
After following the discussion on leaching that eventually included glass, I
am now wondering about Waterford crystal. As you may know, it has a high
lead content. I have a decanter in which I keep sherry and have a nip every
now and then. The sherry can sit in the decanter for months at a time. Is
the lead really leaching into it? How can one test something like this?
Dolita
dohrman@insightbb.com
Louisville, KY
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claybair on thu 29 apr 04
Sorry Wayne.....
I poo poo your poo pooing on this subject!
Seriously, I do not think this is an area to
maintain a cavalier attitudes.
Do you mix your glazes without a mask?
Do you fire without a vent?
Why subject yourself to toxic and brain damaging
elements if you can easily avoid them?
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: wayneinkeywest
Dolita:
You should be able to procure an inexpensive lead test kit from any
local department store or pharmacy near you. Test the sherry.
Personally, I poo-pooh the idea that "a nip now and then" is going
to hurt anyone, what with so many of us growing up in cities that
were once filled with lead-spewing auto exhaust.
I think the Hubble falling on my head would be a more valid concern
at this point in my life.
Still, it does not hurt to be safe.
Wayne Seidl
----- Original Message -----
From: Dolita Dohrman
After following the discussion on leaching that eventually included
glass, I am now wondering about Waterford crystal. As you may know,
it has a high lead content. I have a decanter in which I keep
sherry and have a nip every now and then. The sherry can sit in the
decanter for months at a time. Is the lead really leaching into it?
How can one test something like this?
Dolita
logan johnson on thu 29 apr 04
Hi Dolita!,
I'm nowhere near the expert level on this subject but I have heard from "experts" on t.v. that say you should ONLY use lead crystal to serve in not for normal storage. I have heard this for a few years now & from several different "experts". All I know is I personally would not take the chance.
Take it EASY! have one for me!!!
Logan J.
Gene and Dolita Dohrman wrote:
After following the discussion on leaching that eventually included glass, I am now wondering about Waterford crystal. As you may know, it has a high lead content. I have a decanter in which I keep sherry and have a nip every now and then. The sherry can sit in the decanter for months at a time. Is the lead really leaching into it? How can one test something like this?
Dolita
dohrman@insightbb.com
Louisville, KY
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Edouard Bastarache Inc. on thu 29 apr 04
Hey Claybair,
"Do you mix your glazes without a mask?
Do you fire without a vent?
Why subject yourself to toxic and brain damaging
elements if you can easily avoid them?"
I do all these things, I am 62 and still going in my daily
trade after 36 years of indulging in part-time ceramics.
There is no "one size fits all" way of dealing with
exposure to chemicals.
Later,
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
http://sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
Edouard Bastarache Inc. on fri 30 apr 04
Hello Claybair and All,
it is a matter of specific nocivity of chemicals and severity of exposure.
If you have assessed that your exposure to ceramic chemicals and ways
of working make it so you feel right to wear a decent dust mask and to use
ventilation, it is OK with me.
I work in a different way, my exposure to these chemicals is not severe
enough so that I do not feel compelled to wear a mask and to use ventilation
by extraction.
I do open a window when I bisque fire, the kiln being located very close
to that window, but I do not stay in the room; therefore I am not exposed
to bisque kiln fumes. This method is to drive outside the fumes so they
do not annoy me when I go in and check the kiln every 2 hours.
When it comes to glaze firing, my kiln is located in the countryside 2,000
feet from the banks of the St-Lawrence River, 2 doors and 2 windows
are kept opened, and there is a lot of wind going down the valley form
the west.
See, every situation may be different, hence the sense of my post.
Later,
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
http://sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
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