Laurie Kneppel on tue 8 jun 04
Hi Sherri,
Depending on how high your reliefs are (and how thick the highest
points of the tiles are) tile setters are nice to have. depending on
the manufacturer, they usually hold about 9-10 tiles each. Of course if
your tiles are too thick they won't fit in the setters. I have three
setters. One is from a studio sale and is a different manufacturer than
the other two. It is about 1/4 inch taller than the others and the
slots are wider so it holds one less tile than they do. The great thing
about it is I have some cat face tiles that only fit in that setter
because they are probably 3/4 inch thick at the tip of the cat's nose
(don't worry, they are hollowed out from the back!). You need to check
the firing range for the setter before you purchase because they are
not all rated the same. If you do a lot of tiles, these work great for
saving space and are worth the initial investment.
As for glazing tiles, spraying works great. Check the archives for
glaze sprayer information and advice. There's a lot of info there.
Laurie
Sacramento, CA
> For the bisque firing of relief tiles, can I stack them in the
> kiln?....... Is there a way to put them in the kiln in order to
> maximize how many can be fired at once or am I limited by the ways
> stated above?
>
> Any information would be GREATLY appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherri Kellam
> angel_prints@sbcglobal.net
Jeanette Harris on tue 8 jun 04
>For the bisque firing of relief tiles, can I stack them in the kiln?
>If so, how many can I stack before just adding another shelf? (My
>tiles are up to 5/8 of an inch thick.) I currently lay them flat
>(only one layer) which doesn't allow me to put in very many tiles at
>one time.
>
You can lay tiles in layers, but they should be staggered so that the
mass of clay is not concentrated in a thick stack. You run the risk
of the lower ones cracking. Since the tiles are square and the kiln
is round, they can be placed so that the lower layer has spaces open
and the next level of tiles can be laid over the spaces, the next
layer can then take advantage of the second layer's spaces. I
wouldn't do more than three layers, if I were doing it, though. Be
sure to allow enough 'head room' above the shelf with the tiles to
maximize the air flow around the shelf. I put the next shelf on with
2 1/2 to 3 inches clearance above the tiles.
Also, don't suspend the tiles too far apart because then warping can occur.
I'd also recommend bring the kiln up very slowly. One blown tile can
wipe out more.
Good luck.
>And for the glaze firing, what would be the best way to place them
>in the kiln? I have been taking care not to get glaze on the backs
>of the tiles so that I can lay them flat on the kiln shelves, but
>should I be using posts to raise them up off of the kiln shelf (and
>glaze the back as well)? Is there a way to put them in the kiln in
>order to maximize how many can be fired at once or am I limited by
>the ways stated above?
--
Jeanette Harris
in Poulsbo WA
Earl Brunner on tue 8 jun 04
I had a student lose 90% of her reasonably flat tiles (no relief) because
some one stacked them in the kiln on top of each other horizontally. If
your relief points don't match up top to bottom, I wouldn't do it. For the
bisque you can stack them vertically and they don't put weight on each
other.
Earl Brunner
Las Vegas, NV
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Sherri Kellam
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:44 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Another ? about Firing Tiles
For the bisque firing of relief tiles, can I stack them in the kiln? If so,
how many can I stack before just adding another shelf? (My tiles are up to
5/8 of an inch thick.) I currently lay them flat (only one layer) which
doesn't allow me to put in very many tiles at one time.
Sherri Kellam on tue 8 jun 04
For the bisque firing of relief tiles, can I stack them in the kiln? If so, how many can I stack before just adding another shelf? (My tiles are up to 5/8 of an inch thick.) I currently lay them flat (only one layer) which doesn't allow me to put in very many tiles at one time.
And for the glaze firing, what would be the best way to place them in the kiln? I have been taking care not to get glaze on the backs of the tiles so that I can lay them flat on the kiln shelves, but should I be using posts to raise them up off of the kiln shelf (and glaze the back as well)? Is there a way to put them in the kiln in order to maximize how many can be fired at once or am I limited by the ways stated above?
Any information would be GREATLY appreciated.
Sincerely,
Sherri Kellam
angel_prints@sbcglobal.net
Nicol on wed 9 jun 04
I would concur with Melissa Jeswald Dec - check out Texas Terra Ceramic
Supply on e-bay. I have now have 4 of their setters. Each tile goes on a
little shelf. I can't speak to their longevity (although a new set of
'shelves' is only about $10) they worked great for a workshop I recently
held where the kids produced about 35 6x6 tiles and glazed about 120
commercial 4x4s
Whims
Bob Nicol - Fleetwood PA
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Sherri
Kellam
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:44 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Another ? about Firing Tiles
For the bisque firing of relief tiles, can I stack them in the kiln? If so,
how many can I stack before just adding another shelf? (My tiles are up to
5/8 of an inch thick.) I currently lay them flat (only one layer) which
doesn't allow me to put in very many tiles at one time.
And for the glaze firing, what would be the best way to place them in the
kiln? I have been taking care not to get glaze on the backs of the tiles so
that I can lay them flat on the kiln shelves, but should I be using posts to
raise them up off of the kiln shelf (and glaze the back as well)? Is there
a way to put them in the kiln in order to maximize how many can be fired at
once or am I limited by the ways stated above?
Any information would be GREATLY appreciated.
Sincerely,
Sherri Kellam
angel_prints@sbcglobal.net
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Cynthia Bracker on wed 9 jun 04
The corner tile holders you referenced are manufactured by Roselli
Pottery Equipment and are available at most ceramics suppliers. Retail
price is around $1.00 each, though I think most suppliers give a
discount on them.
Cindy
mjd2361 wrote:
>Hi Sherri,
>
>I just got a commission for 4 -12" square relief tiles. They were
>about 1/2" thick. I took weeks to dry them carefully and slowly,
>preventing warps and making sure
>they were really dry. Then, pottery genius that I am, I stacked them
>on top of one another in the kiln at the bisque fire. You know it
>isn't good when you hear "Smash,tinkle" in the kiln area at about 3
>AM!!! Sure enough, my 4 tiles and days of work were reduced to a pile
>of useless rubble. I still don't know what happened, but from then
>on, I SLOWLY bisqued the new tiles by themselves in the kiln with a
>kiln post under each corner. They turned out perfectly.
>from now on, I would both bisque and glaze-fire tiles using the tile
>setters designed hold each tile by an edge. They are like posts, but
>have slats cut into the sides. They are inexpensive and available at
>Texas Terra Ceramic Supply on the net. I am not sure of their exact
>address because I go through their eBay storefront, Texas Terra (Just
>do and eBay search for "tile setters".
>Good luck!!
>Melissa Jeswald Dec
>
>--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Sherri Kellam
>wrote:
>
>
>>For the bisque firing of relief tiles, can I stack them in the
>>
>>
>kiln? If so, how many can I stack before just adding another shelf?
>(My tiles are up to 5/8 of an inch thick.) I currently lay them flat
>(only one layer) which doesn't allow me to put in very many tiles at
>one time.
>
>
>>And for the glaze firing, what would be the best way to place them
>>
>>
>in the kiln? I have been taking care not to get glaze on the backs
>of the tiles so that I can lay them flat on the kiln shelves, but
>should I be using posts to raise them up off of the kiln shelf (and
>glaze the back as well)? Is there a way to put them in the kiln in
>order to maximize how many can be fired at once or am I limited by
>the ways stated above?
>
>
>>Any information would be GREATLY appreciated.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Sherri Kellam
>>angel_prints@s...
>>
>>
>>
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Paul Lewing on wed 9 jun 04
on 6/8/04 4:43 PM, Sherri Kellam at angel_prints@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote:
> For the bisque firing of relief tiles, can I stack them in the kiln?
Not a good idea, as you've probably figured out from the responses so far.
I've always bisqued them standing up on their edges. You''d be amazed how
many you can get into a kiln. Just set them at a slight angle to each
other, so there's some air circulation. I usually start by standing one on
each side of a kiln post, then a couple at right angle to the ends of them,
then more at right angles to the ends of those and so on. It takes a while
to load a kiln this way, but they almost never blow up or warp.
> And for the glaze firing, what would be the best way to place them in the
> kiln? I have been taking care not to get glaze on the backs of the tiles so
> that I can lay them flat on the kiln shelves, but should I be using posts to
> raise them up off of the kiln shelf (and glaze the back as well)?
You don't want to glaze the backs. The glue will not adhere as well then.
The most efficient way to stack them is in tile setters. There are several
designs on the market. The ones that stand them up at an angle are not a
good idea if the whole front of the tile is glazed. They will stick to the
setters then. I use the kind of setter that's like a box with tabs on the
side if I'm sure the tiles will not sag. Otherwise I use the kind that are
like a small kiln shelf with a leg on each corner. Mine have sagged over
the years so now I'm forced to put little balls of clay under the centers to
support them.
Paul Lewing, Seattle
Simona Drentea on wed 9 jun 04
In a message dated 06/08/2004 7:12:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
angel_prints@SBCGLOBAL.NET writes:
<< For the bisque firing of relief tiles, can I stack them in the kiln? If
so, how many can I stack before just adding another shelf? (My tiles are up to
5/8 of an inch thick.) I currently lay them flat (only one layer) which
doesn't allow me to put in very many tiles at one time. >>
I'd love to hear this answer too. My instructors have always told me that I
can just pile one on top of the other in the bisque, but that runs counter to
my (possibly faulty) logic. I would think the air/heat should be able to get
all the way around them. BTW, I've been setting them vertically against
firebricks, which still doesn't allow you to do too many at once.
Thanks,
Simona
mjd2361 on wed 9 jun 04
Hi Sherri,
I just got a commission for 4 -12" square relief tiles. They were
about 1/2" thick. I took weeks to dry them carefully and slowly,
preventing warps and making sure
they were really dry. Then, pottery genius that I am, I stacked them
on top of one another in the kiln at the bisque fire. You know it
isn't good when you hear "Smash,tinkle" in the kiln area at about 3
AM!!! Sure enough, my 4 tiles and days of work were reduced to a pile
of useless rubble. I still don't know what happened, but from then
on, I SLOWLY bisqued the new tiles by themselves in the kiln with a
kiln post under each corner. They turned out perfectly.
from now on, I would both bisque and glaze-fire tiles using the tile
setters designed hold each tile by an edge. They are like posts, but
have slats cut into the sides. They are inexpensive and available at
Texas Terra Ceramic Supply on the net. I am not sure of their exact
address because I go through their eBay storefront, Texas Terra (Just
do and eBay search for "tile setters".
Good luck!!
Melissa Jeswald Dec
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Sherri Kellam
wrote:
> For the bisque firing of relief tiles, can I stack them in the
kiln? If so, how many can I stack before just adding another shelf?
(My tiles are up to 5/8 of an inch thick.) I currently lay them flat
(only one layer) which doesn't allow me to put in very many tiles at
one time.
>
> And for the glaze firing, what would be the best way to place them
in the kiln? I have been taking care not to get glaze on the backs
of the tiles so that I can lay them flat on the kiln shelves, but
should I be using posts to raise them up off of the kiln shelf (and
glaze the back as well)? Is there a way to put them in the kiln in
order to maximize how many can be fired at once or am I limited by
the ways stated above?
>
> Any information would be GREATLY appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherri Kellam
> angel_prints@s...
>
>
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