L. P. Skeen on sun 13 jun 04
How about a nice layer of ceramic tile, or concrete pavers?
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gail Phillips"
I just finished putting my studio together, and my flooring is the same
way. I was thinking of a couple of options, I was considering either a layer
of durock board, since it isn't very thick. I was also thinking of a
fireplace hearth pad, one for the floor and one for the wall behind the
kiln.
wayneinkeywest on sun 13 jun 04
While Durock (and Wonderboard and HardieBoard) are all non-flammable
surfaces, placing them _directly_ on any flooring surface is a do
NOT. They will transfer heat. I know this from personal (read:
very expensive) experience.
You must have an air gap between the flooring surface and the heat
shield material.
May I recommend you place four concrete 12 inch square landscape
pavers on the floor, (atop plastic so they do not stick). Available
at any Home Depot type store.
On top of the pavers (spaced to support the weight of the kiln), set
your heat resistant panel, and set the kiln on that.
Should only add a max of 2.5 inches to the height, as pavers are not
much more than an inch or two thick. That inch or two air gap is
all you should need for safety.
Going back into lurk mode.
Wayne Seidl
Key West, Florida, USA
North America, Terra
Latitude 81.45W, Longitude 24.33N
Elevation 3.1 feet (1m)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gail Phillips"
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Floor surfaces under kiln
> Linda -
>
> I am facing the same situation right now - I just finished putting
my studio together, and my flooring is the same way. I was thinking
of a couple of options, and welcome any critique or suggestions that
anybody else will throw out here. I was considering either a layer
of durock board, since it isn't very thick. I was also thinking of a
fireplace hearth pad, one for the floor and one for the wall behind
the kiln. Just some thoughts.
>
> - Gail Phillips - see my new studio -
http://home.att.net/~Indianapolis_Coin_Club/studiophotos.htm
>
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Linda M : --------------
> > My studio has T%G wood flooring with vinyl over top. Since these
are
> > flammable I know I need at least 2" of non flammable material
between floor
> > and kiln. Cement block would raise my kiln up too high (besides
the extra
> > weight to the floor). Does anyone out there have flammable
flooring under
> > their kiln and if so what did you use? Thank you in advance.
Linda M
> >
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Linda M on sun 13 jun 04
My studio has T%G wood flooring with vinyl over top. Since these are
flammable I know I need at least 2" of non flammable material between floor
and kiln. Cement block would raise my kiln up too high (besides the extra
weight to the floor). Does anyone out there have flammable flooring under
their kiln and if so what did you use? Thank you in advance. Linda M
Earl Krueger on mon 14 jun 04
On Sunday, Jun 13, 2004,Linda M asked about
non-flammable materials between her floor and
kiln.
Linda,
You might check with a wood burning stove
business to see what they might recommend.
Some years ago I installed a wood stove and
purchased a premade cement board about 1/2
inch thick that looked like tile in order to meet
fire code requirements. If I were to do it again
and wanted to go the cheap route I might
consider a layer or two of the hardi-backer board.
Disclaimer: If you do go this route and your
studio burns down don't sue me because I
don't really know what I'm talking about.
Earl K...
Bothell, WA, USA
Roger Korn on mon 14 jun 04
Now that Transite (asbestos-cement board) is no longer sold, I use
Hardi-board tile backer with good results.
Roger
Linda M wrote:
My studio has T%G wood flooring with vinyl over top. Since these are
flammable I know I need at least 2" of non flammable material between floor
and kiln. Cement block would raise my kiln up too high (besides the extra
weight to the floor). Does anyone out there have flammable flooring under
their kiln and if so what did you use? Thank you in advance. Linda M
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Gary Harvey on mon 14 jun 04
You could call the kiln company that manufactored the kiln they might be
able to help you. BUT ME I would put it outside in a separate building
before I would put it on wood flooring. Here in Texas you can get metal
building for lawn mowers that are small to large that are relatively
inexpensive. I think they would cheaper than replacing your studio if a fire
brakes out. Just an opinion not one that is knowledgable about kiln
construction or placement. Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda M"
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Floor surfaces under kiln
> My studio has T%G wood flooring with vinyl over top. Since these are
> flammable I know I need at least 2" of non flammable material between
floor
> and kiln. Cement block would raise my kiln up too high (besides the extra
> weight to the floor). Does anyone out there have flammable flooring under
> their kiln and if so what did you use? Thank you in advance. Linda M
>
>
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william schran on mon 14 jun 04
Gail wrote:> I was thinking of a couple of options, and welcome any
critique or suggestions that anybody else will throw out here. I was
considering either a layer of durock board, since it isn't very
thick. I was also thinking of a fireplace hearth pad, one for the
floor and one for the wall behind the kiln. Just some thoughts.<
Please read my response to the original inquiry regarding the floor
situation. As for the wall, you could do the same - thin reflective
metal attached to wall, some spacers, doubt bricks would work very
well here ;-), then a sheet of the cement backer board. Still need to
maintain manufacturer's space recommendations.
I see in the photos you have vent pipe for kiln - Good! Perhaps the
easiest thing to do would be to mount the vent motor to a piece of
plywood that would fit snugly in the window, that way you don't have
to cut a hole through the wall.
Bill
william schran on mon 14 jun 04
Linda wrote:>My studio has T%G wood flooring with vinyl over top.
Since these are
flammable I know I need at least 2" of non flammable material between floor
and kiln. Cement block would raise my kiln up too high (besides the extra
weight to the floor). Does anyone out there have flammable flooring under
their kiln and if so what did you use?<
In order to keep the wood floor from becoming too hot, you'll need to
create some type of air space between the kiln and floor to allow for
ventilation. Perhaps the most economical way might be to use a thin
sheet of metal against the wood floor for protection (from
scratching) and heat reflection, a layer of regular red bricks with
spaces for air, then a sheet of cement backer board. This would raise
the kiln only a few more inches and you could make a platform of
bricks to stand on so the height for loading doesn't change. You must
still use the kiln stand that came with the kiln.
Bill
Arnold Howard on mon 14 jun 04
I won't comment on floor materials under a kiln, because I don't have enough
experience to make a recommendation.
However, I will mention the kiln stand. Please use the stand that came with
your kiln. It was designed to dissipate heat under the kiln. UL safety
testing always includes the stand furnished with the kiln.
If you buy a used kiln and there is no stand, contact the manufacturer to
order one. The stand is only a few dollars.
The reason I mention this is that another kiln manufacturer at NCECA told me
about a fire that started because a kiln was fired without a stand.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
arnoldhoward@att.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "wayneinkeywest"
> While Durock (and Wonderboard and HardieBoard) are all non-flammable
> surfaces, placing them _directly_ on any flooring surface is a do
> NOT. They will transfer heat. I know this from personal (read:
> very expensive) experience.
>
> You must have an air gap between the flooring surface and the heat
> shield material.
>
> May I recommend you place four concrete 12 inch square landscape
> pavers on the floor, (atop plastic so they do not stick). Available
> at any Home Depot type store.
>
> On top of the pavers (spaced to support the weight of the kiln), set
> your heat resistant panel, and set the kiln on that.
> Should only add a max of 2.5 inches to the height, as pavers are not
> much more than an inch or two thick. That inch or two air gap is
> all you should need for safety.
>
> Going back into lurk mode.
> Wayne Seidl
dalecochoy on mon 14 jun 04
Linda,
When I installed my Olympic 2831G I put it in a steel 10'X14' shed built
on top of a treated wood deck the same size. ( roof has a designed
vent/stack). I worried about floor heat below the 18" stand even with the
normal small cracks which are in decking spacing. So, I built a square area
that is a few feet bigger than kiln area out of 2" thick "patio blocks". I
think they were 16" square. My loading/unloading stand just sits on top of
them when I need it, and with the 4" extra ring on the kiln (to get the 31")
my 6 foot frame can just bend into the kiln to bottom to load first shelf
without whacking my head on the vent cone 28" above the kiln when I stand
up.( if I'm careful :>) Works good.
When I asked preliminary questions on the newsgroup about setting it in
place Someone in the group with a similar kiln said it got to 750 degrees
under the kiln! This is simply not true! I put a pyrometer under the kiln
on top of the bricks and it gets to about 150 degrees max at cone 10!.
BTW, my electric kiln in the garage on a cement floor....at cone 6 my wifes
cat sleeps under the kiln!!
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
DaleCochoy@Prodigy.Net http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware
----- Original Message -----
From: "william schran"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Floor surfaces under kiln
> Linda wrote:>My studio has T%G wood flooring with vinyl over top.
> Since these are
> flammable I know I need at least 2" of non flammable material between
floor
> and kiln. Cement block would raise my kiln up too high (besides the extra
> weight to the floor). Does anyone out there have flammable flooring under
> their kiln and if so what did you use?<
>
> In order to keep the wood floor from becoming too hot, you'll need to
> create some type of air space between the kiln and floor to allow for
> ventilation. Perhaps the most economical way might be to use a thin
> sheet of metal against the wood floor for protection (from
> scratching) and heat reflection, a layer of regular red bricks with
> spaces for air, then a sheet of cement backer board. This would raise
> the kiln only a few more inches and you could make a platform of
> bricks to stand on so the height for loading doesn't change. You must
> still use the kiln stand that came with the kiln.
> Bill
>
>
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Gail Phillips on mon 14 jun 04
Linda -
I am facing the same situation right now - I just finished putting my studio together, and my flooring is the same way. I was thinking of a couple of options, and welcome any critique or suggestions that anybody else will throw out here. I was considering either a layer of durock board, since it isn't very thick. I was also thinking of a fireplace hearth pad, one for the floor and one for the wall behind the kiln. Just some thoughts.
- Gail Phillips - see my new studio - http://home.att.net/~Indianapolis_Coin_Club/studiophotos.htm
-------------- Original message from Linda M : --------------
> My studio has T%G wood flooring with vinyl over top. Since these are
> flammable I know I need at least 2" of non flammable material between floor
> and kiln. Cement block would raise my kiln up too high (besides the extra
> weight to the floor). Does anyone out there have flammable flooring under
> their kiln and if so what did you use? Thank you in advance. Linda M
>
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Anne Wellings on tue 15 jun 04
What works for me is to put an old but intact soft brick kiln lid down on
the linoleum floor, put the kiln stand on top of that and the kiln on top
of that. In absence of a kiln lid, you could just use a layer of soft
bricks. The floor does not get hot at all. I did something similar with a
wood floor, and didn't have a problem, but in retrospect, I think I'd want
some other protective material under the soft brick.
Anne
Darlene Yarnetsky-Mudcat Pottery on tue 15 jun 04
Ditto on the use of pavers under the Durarock. I have done the same
thing with my kiln until I can get the concrete floored kiln room
opened up. Works well! I have also set up a fan running on low blowing
underneath.
Darlene Yarnetsky, Mudcat Pottery
In hot and humid Madison, Indiana, USA
marshall485067 on wed 16 jun 04
I use a 4.5 cu.ft. top loading kiln. It sits on castors on a vinyl-
covered plywood floor. Firing to 1080 deg.C., the floor doesn't need
any protection, but I have used a foil-faced insulating sheet
designed for the back of radiators.
Marshall
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