Gene and Dolita Dohrman on wed 16 jun 04
There is a new Hoover Vacuum system out called Garage Utility Vac (GUV) =
that mounts on the wall and has a 30 ft. hose. The motor is 12 amps. =
The exhaust would blow against the wall and is not very strong so there =
would be minimal air disturbance. Right now I have only seen the =
prototype. It is equipped with a large surface filter that is easily =
cleaned. I emailed the company asking what the particulate size this =
would filter and received the following:
"Thank you for contacting The Hoover Company. The filter will retain 95% =
of debris that is 1 micron small. Sorry that we do not know the size of =
clay particles, but this will help you compare should you find the clay =
size."
Does anyone know if this would be sufficient for a one person, 340 sq. =
ft. studio? Would I still have to wear a mask when vacuuming? It seems =
like the perfect solution for my situation.
Dolita-who is amazed at how quickly the dust and chunks of clay =
accumulate!
dohrman@insightbb.com
Louisville, KY
John and Judy Hesselberth on wed 16 jun 04
On Wednesday, June 16, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Gene and Dolita Dohrman
wrote:
> The filter will retain 95% of debris that is 1 micron small. Sorry
> that we do not know the size of clay particles, but this will help you
> compare should you find the clay size."
> Does anyone know if this would be sufficient for a one person, 340 sq.
> ft. studio? Would I still have to wear a mask when vacuuming? It
> seems like the perfect solution for my situation.
>
Hi Dolita,
That's not fine enough for silica dust. There are really only 2
satisfactory ways to clean a studio in my opinion. One is wet cleaning,
e.g. mopping, hosing, wet sponging. The other is vacuuming where the
vacuum is outside the studio with a hose coming through the wall. Even
a so-called HEPA filter vacuum is something I would not use. You cannot
tell when the filter has failed. Your lungs are important enough that I
hope you won't take chances with a questionable system.
Regards,
John
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 16 jun 04
Hello Dolita,
If possible, consider to direct the exhaust to expell
out-side...maybe have a little fixture mounted in a hole
made in a wall to which an exhaust hose might be attatched,
or, have the whole unit outside (if it exhausts in to a
'bag' or something) with but the vacuuming hose itself being
inside...that is best of all...just on general
principle...also, the exhaust witll be warmer usually than
the surrounding air, as well as being itself, a bunch of
moveing-air, adding to convection and further disturbances
of any airborne dusts...
Phil
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene and Dolita Dohrman"
There is a new Hoover Vacuum system out called Garage
Utility Vac (GUV) that mounts on the wall and has a 30 ft.
hose. The motor is 12 amps. The exhaust would blow against
the wall and is not very strong so there would be minimal
air disturbance. Right now I have only seen the prototype.
It is equipped with a large surface filter that is easily
cleaned. I emailed the company asking what the particulate
size this would filter and received the following:
"Thank you for contacting The Hoover Company. The filter
will retain 95% of debris that is 1 micron small. Sorry that
we do not know the size of clay particles, but this will
help you compare should you find the clay size."
Does anyone know if this would be sufficient for a one
person, 340 sq. ft. studio? Would I still have to wear a
mask when vacuuming? It seems like the perfect solution for
my situation.
Dolita-who is amazed at how quickly the dust and chunks of
clay accumulate!
dohrman@insightbb.com
Louisville, KY
Lee Love on thu 17 jun 04
John and Judy Hesselberth wrote:
> vacuum is outside the studio with a hose coming through the wall. Even
> a so-called HEPA filter vacuum is something I would not use. You cannot
> tell when the filter has failed. Your lungs are important enough that I
> hope you won't take chances with a questionable system.
I agree. I was in charge of cleaning the filter in the HEPA vac at my
teacher's workshop. Something I noticed, was that when you first turn it
on after cleaning, you often got a puff of dust coming out of the
exhaust. When I noticed this, I started turning the vac on out side
once, before bringing it into the studio.
I use a shop vac that sits outside, with a long hose that reaches
anywhere in the studio. I first saw this set up at a manufacturing shop
next door to Continental Clay, while walking my dog around the building.
They had two shop vacs in a sort of dog house with only the hoses
running into the building to the work stations.
Lee
--
in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://journals.fotki.com/togeika/Mashiko/ Commentary On Pottery
william schran on thu 17 jun 04
Dolita wrote:>There is a new Hoover Vacuum system out called Garage
Utility Vac (GUV) that mounts on the wall and has a 30 ft. hose.
..... The exhaust would blow against the wall and is not very strong
so there would be minimal air disturbance. <
Unless they have specified the filter type as being HEPA, I would not
think a vacuum that exhausts into the space you're cleaning would be
a good idea. Perhaps if you could cut a hole for the exhaust to go
outside....
Bill
Leland G. Hall on thu 17 jun 04
Hi Gene an Dolita,
Mop, mop, mop. Sooo tiring. Obvious solution is to hire some one to clean
for peanuts or less. Since I coldn't afford that, I went down to the local
(60 mile round trip!!) Costo and bought the biggest, baddest Shop Vac I
could find. Then I cut a hole through the studio wall into a little
attached leanto storage room and sat the new ShopVac in that. Ran the hose
and the cord through the hole. Silacone'd the heck out where they go
through. Then I ordered two extra lenghts of hose, to make sure I could
all the corneres, crooks and crannies. Then I wired up a short extention
cord to a "switched outlet in a box" (this is a plastic double box for nex
construction. Just put in an outlet, and a regular light switch, wired
together) Plugged it all in. Love it. Less then a hundred invested.
I had tried a trick I learned on clayart of putting water in the shop vac,
and sucking everything down through it. This worked, but the stinky came
on too fast for me. I had to change the water twice a week. Now I empty
the ShopVac and wash the filters once every two weeks, maybe once a week at
most.
Yes, I have to were a mask just to enter the leanto addition, since the
filters only filter down to 1 micron, which as has been said, is not
enough. And, of course, this room is now not good for storing stuff
anymore. Hmm, maybe I could use it for my GB stockpile, or something like
that. Any way, good luck and hope this helps!
Leland Hall
Before The Wheel Enterprises
Raku Pottery and Sculpture
La Pine, OR
where down in the swamp, in some of the ATV scars, there are wild iris
blooming, and elk mom and calf hoof tracks up to the salt lick on the
knoll. They only come up at night. Also the best mosquito crop in a
decade.
Original post as follows:
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
There is a new Hoover Vacuum system out called Garage Utility Vac (GUV)
that mounts on the wall and has a 30 ft. hose. The motor is 12 amps. The
exhaust would blow against the wall and is not very strong so there would
be minimal air disturbance. Right now I have only seen the prototype. It
is equipped with a large surface filter that is easily cleaned. I emailed
the company asking what the particulate size this would filter and received
the following:
"Thank you for contacting The Hoover Company. The filter will retain 95% of
debris that is 1 micron small. Sorry that we do not know the size of clay
particles, but this will help you compare should you find the clay size."
Does anyone know if this would be sufficient for a one person, 340 sq. ft.
studio? Would I still have to wear a mask when vacuuming? It seems like
the perfect solution for my situation.
Dolita-who is amazed at how quickly the dust and chunks of clay accumulate!
dohrman@insightbb.com
Louisville, KY
Roger Korn on thu 17 jun 04
I'll second John's advice. Based on the scientific observation of "dust
motes visible in the sunlight", running the exhaust outside makes a huge
difference with my HEPA95 filtered Sears vac.
Roger
On Wednesday, June 16, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Gene and Dolita Dohrman
wrote:
>> The filter will retain 95% of debris that is 1 micron small. Sorry
>> that we do not know the size of clay particles, but this will help you
>> compare should you find the clay size."
>> Does anyone know if this would be sufficient for a one person, 340 sq.
>> ft. studio? Would I still have to wear a mask when vacuuming? It
>> seems like the perfect solution for my situation.
>>
>
>
Hi Dolita,
That's not fine enough for silica dust. There are really only 2
satisfactory ways to clean a studio in my opinion. One is wet cleaning,
e.g. mopping, hosing, wet sponging. The other is vacuuming where the
vacuum is outside the studio with a hose coming through the wall. Even
a so-called HEPA filter vacuum is something I would not use. You cannot
tell when the filter has failed. Your lungs are important enough that I
hope you won't take chances with a questionable system.
Regards,
John
--
McKay Creek Ceramics
In OR: PO Box 436
North Plains, OR 97133
503-647-5464
In AZ: PO Box 463
Rimrock, AZ 86335
928-567-5699
Vince Pitelka on thu 17 jun 04
> That's not fine enough for silica dust. There are really only 2
> satisfactory ways to clean a studio in my opinion. One is wet cleaning,
> e.g. mopping, hosing, wet sponging. The other is vacuuming where the
> vacuum is outside the studio with a hose coming through the wall. Even
> a so-called HEPA filter vacuum is something I would not use. You cannot
> tell when the filter has failed. Your lungs are important enough that I
> hope you won't take chances with a questionable system.
Dolita -
Adding to John Hesselberth's words above, I think we must now be very wary
of all appliances that make claims of having HEPA filters, whether they are
dust masks, air filters, or vacuums. On all but very heavy-duty industrial
vacuums and air filters, the manufacturers generally assume that the unit is
going to be used in an environment where there is extremely low levels of
untra-fine particulates. Those devices simply are not made for the clay
studio, and in our environment these HEPA filters tend to clog very quickly,
and then as John says, they will fail, and you will have no way to know that
they have failed.
You can put any vacuum outside, as mentioned above, or you can spend a
little more money and install the Beam stationary vacuum system as
advertised on Marc Ward's website (Ward Burner Systems). That is probably
the best of all solutions, and the potters who have the Beam system seem to
love it.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
Rikki Gill on thu 17 jun 04
I think you should also look at the Galaxie. It claims to use the same
motor as the Beam and is much less expensive. Same tools, same 30 foot
hose, vents outside, huge wall hung cannister inside. I have had mine for
three years now, no problems, ultra clean studio. Why not look at a less
expensive item, rather than pay for a name?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Pitelka"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: New Hoover Vacuum
> > That's not fine enough for silica dust. There are really only 2
> > satisfactory ways to clean a studio in my opinion. One is wet cleaning,
> > e.g. mopping, hosing, wet sponging. The other is vacuuming where the
> > vacuum is outside the studio with a hose coming through the wall. Even
> > a so-called HEPA filter vacuum is something I would not use. You cannot
> > tell when the filter has failed. Your lungs are important enough that I
> > hope you won't take chances with a questionable system.
>
> Dolita -
> Adding to John Hesselberth's words above, I think we must now be very wary
> of all appliances that make claims of having HEPA filters, whether they
are
> dust masks, air filters, or vacuums. On all but very heavy-duty
industrial
> vacuums and air filters, the manufacturers generally assume that the unit
is
> going to be used in an environment where there is extremely low levels of
> untra-fine particulates. Those devices simply are not made for the clay
> studio, and in our environment these HEPA filters tend to clog very
quickly,
> and then as John says, they will fail, and you will have no way to know
that
> they have failed.
>
> You can put any vacuum outside, as mentioned above, or you can spend a
> little more money and install the Beam stationary vacuum system as
> advertised on Marc Ward's website (Ward Burner Systems). That is probably
> the best of all solutions, and the potters who have the Beam system seem
to
> love it.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
> Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
> vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
> http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
>
>
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Lee Love on fri 18 jun 04
What I used for the long hose on my shop vac is a flexible sink drain
hose. It has a spiral wire running through it and is stronger than
the original hose. You can by it by the meter here.
--
in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://journals.fotki.com/togeika/Mashiko/ Commentary On Pottery
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