Gary Harvey on sat 19 jun 04
I can not speak to the quality of the kiln you are looking at, but old
kilns in this area (East Texas) usually bring about $100.00. My bother just
gave me a Paragon A88B Octagon kiln that needs some work. The price he gave
for it was $100 when he got it about 5 years ago in Good working condition.
You have to be the judge but I wouldn't give more than this for it. (That
is, I have found some in this area at this price. Look on the plate beside
the switches mounted on the right side bottom of the switch mounting. It is
about 2 inches square and it has the Maximum temperature rating. I would
note that this is the maximum for the unit when it is in good repair. Check
a cone chart to tell you the Maximum cone rating . The A88B is 2300 degrees
F. so that is roughly 1260 C or just below cone 8 (1263C Orton cones). So
using above cone 7 might not be advisable. This is my opinion but I am
definately NOT an expert on Kilns. If you have a copy of Fournier's
"Illustrated Dictionary of Practical Pottery" look under "Cone" and under"
Temperature degree." Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
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From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 2:13 AM
Subject: pricing a used kiln
> I've written the manufactures and have found out that the kiln in question
> hasn't been made for the last 15+ years. Personal replies would be
appreciated
> so as not to clutter the list.
>
> I have found an old Paragon Kiln, model # A77B, here in the Los Angeles
area,
> for sale. The owner and myself have no idea how to price it, looking to
be
> fair to both parties.
>
> It is a small octagonal kiln (knee high), and from the old (and I mean
OLD)
> manual it appears to be able to reach ^5. From the notes I find inside
the
> manual (thankfully they kept that also) it looks like the woman was doing
China
> Paints.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what a fair price would be? A new model,
similar,
> is about $600.00. I need to check the elements to see if it's still
capable
> of lighting a kitchen match when plugged in. So whether it's working or
not,
> depreciation, and so on....
>
> Never thought I would be at this stage already -- buying a kiln, even a
tiny
> one -- but hey, opportunity knocks.
>
> Any pricing suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jonathan in Los Angeles
> lovin' that bmix w/ grog, still no glazing YET
>
>
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Imbolchottie@AOL.COM on sat 19 jun 04
I've written the manufactures and have found out that the kiln in question
hasn't been made for the last 15+ years. Personal replies would be appreciated
so as not to clutter the list.
I have found an old Paragon Kiln, model # A77B, here in the Los Angeles area,
for sale. The owner and myself have no idea how to price it, looking to be
fair to both parties.
It is a small octagonal kiln (knee high), and from the old (and I mean OLD)
manual it appears to be able to reach ^5. From the notes I find inside the
manual (thankfully they kept that also) it looks like the woman was doing China
Paints.
Does anyone have any idea what a fair price would be? A new model, similar,
is about $600.00. I need to check the elements to see if it's still capable
of lighting a kitchen match when plugged in. So whether it's working or not,
depreciation, and so on....
Never thought I would be at this stage already -- buying a kiln, even a tiny
one -- but hey, opportunity knocks.
Any pricing suggestions would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Jonathan in Los Angeles
lovin' that bmix w/ grog, still no glazing YET
Arnold Howard on sat 19 jun 04
I don't have suggestions for a price, because that varies by location.
Several things to look for in a used kiln:
What is the condition of the bricks?
How much corrosion do you find on the case and galvanized steel base?
Do all the elements work? (The A-77B has 4-way rotary switches. You can test the entire electrical system of that kiln with an ohmmeter if the kiln cannot be plugged in for a test.)
A rough estimation of age: Is the cord a woven fabric? Then the kiln dates back to the 50s or early 60s.
Do the switch knobs have a stainless steel rim? That would be pre-1980. (All-black knobs are 1980 and later.)
The A-77B was discontinued in 1987. But age doesn't matter as much as the condition of the kiln. I've seen kilns destroyed within a year by rough handling and others that were over 30 years old and still in mint condition.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, LP / Mesquite, TX USA
> I have found an old Paragon Kiln, model # A77B, here in the Los Angeles area,
> for sale. The owner and myself have no idea how to price it, looking to be
> fair to both parties.
>
> It is a small octagonal kiln (knee high), and from the old (and I mean OLD)
> manual it appears to be able to reach ^5. From the notes I find inside the
> manual (thankfully they kept that also) it looks like the woman was doing China
> Paints.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what a fair price would be?
John Rodgers on sat 19 jun 04
Imbolchottie@AOL.COM wrote:
>I've written the manufactures and have found out that the kiln in question
>hasn't been made for the last 15+ years.
>
>
That says it all. It's a very old kiln.
Last winter I bought a Duncan kiln from the original owner. It was 25
years old, cone 6 max., small, 18" deep, 14" wide, five sides, used by a
porcelain painter. It had been fired 6 times in it's life, according to
the owner. I beleived here after looking at the coils and interior. The
thing looked brand new. I paid $50 for it and the shellves, painting
books, stilts, and other stuff. She was going to give it to me but that
just didn't seem fair even if was 25 years old. Fires beautifully. Has
both timer and kiln sitter.
I use it as my test kiln.
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
Liz Gowen on sun 20 jun 04
Jonathan if this kiln is to be used for china paints again, the lead that
has fumed onto the bricks from the lead china paints won't be a big deal. If
it is to be used for functional ware it is near worthless unless someone is
willing to test and fire a bunch of times vented and retest. Just my thought
Liz Gowen NJ
. From the notes I find inside
> the
> > manual (thankfully they kept that also) it looks like the woman was
doing
> China
> > Paints.
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea what a fair price would be? A new model,
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Harvey"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: pricing a used kiln
> I can not speak to the quality of the kiln you are looking at, but old
> kilns in this area (East Texas) usually bring about $100.00. My bother
just
> gave me a Paragon A88B Octagon kiln that needs some work. The price he
gave
> for it was $100 when he got it about 5 years ago in Good working
condition.
> You have to be the judge but I wouldn't give more than this for it. (That
> is, I have found some in this area at this price. Look on the plate
beside
> the switches mounted on the right side bottom of the switch mounting. It
is
> about 2 inches square and it has the Maximum temperature rating. I would
> note that this is the maximum for the unit when it is in good repair.
Check
> a cone chart to tell you the Maximum cone rating . The A88B is 2300
degrees
> F. so that is roughly 1260 C or just below cone 8 (1263C Orton cones). So
> using above cone 7 might not be advisable. This is my opinion but I am
> definately NOT an expert on Kilns. If you have a copy of Fournier's
> "Illustrated Dictionary of Practical Pottery" look under "Cone" and under"
> Temperature degree." Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 2:13 AM
> Subject: pricing a used kiln
>
>
> > I've written the manufactures and have found out that the kiln in
question
> > hasn't been made for the last 15+ years. Personal replies would be
> appreciated
> > so as not to clutter the list.
> >
> > I have found an old Paragon Kiln, model # A77B, here in the Los Angeles
> area,
> > for sale. The owner and myself have no idea how to price it, looking to
> be
> > fair to both parties.
> >
> > It is a small octagonal kiln (knee high), and from the old (and I mean
> OLD)
> > manual it appears to be able to reach ^5. From the notes I find inside
> the
> > manual (thankfully they kept that also) it looks like the woman was
doing
> China
> > Paints.
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea what a fair price would be? A new model,
> similar,
> > is about $600.00. I need to check the elements to see if it's still
> capable
> > of lighting a kitchen match when plugged in. So whether it's working or
> not,
> > depreciation, and so on....
> >
> > Never thought I would be at this stage already -- buying a kiln, even a
> tiny
> > one -- but hey, opportunity knocks.
> >
> > Any pricing suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jonathan in Los Angeles
> > lovin' that bmix w/ grog, still no glazing YET
> >
> >
>
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> melpots@pclink.com.
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>
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