mel jacobson on fri 16 jul 04
Lili & Edouard,
Lili I so agree with you!
Edouard....I won't get into a nasty debate but cannot
keep my fingers from responding to this issue again.
As you all may recall I had/have an issue with Duncan
selling low fire leaded glazes (one of which was recently recalled).
Does it meets the Calif. standards.... Yes!
Can they be sued? By us little guys...good luck!
Are government standards, like many others,
woefully outdated (1970)?... Yes!
Did a current over the counter lead test kit
indicate lead was being leached ?.... Yes!
Would I dream of using those glazes? Never!
Are these little "Paint your own shops" using and firing
these glazes while people are having kids birthday parties etc.? You bet!
Are people who purchase this ware/glaze informed? Who knows?
Are people aware that when this ware is used over time the likelyhood
of greater amounts of lead leaching is a pretty sure bet? Of course not!
Nope....I just cannot condone the use of lead in glazes
which amonst other things is guaranteed to lower IQs....
Our recent history confirms we are already pretty dumbed-down!
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
From:
Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
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Edouard Bastarache Inc. on fri 16 jul 04
Hehehehehe Gayle,
"whatever turns you on" as my sister in law says, a former
English teacher.
Later,
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
http://sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
----- Original Message -----
From: "mel jacobson"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:00 PM
Subject: from gail bair/food safe
> Lili & Edouard,
>
> Lili I so agree with you!
>
> Edouard....I won't get into a nasty debate but cannot
> keep my fingers from responding to this issue again.
>
> As you all may recall I had/have an issue with Duncan
> selling low fire leaded glazes (one of which was recently recalled).
>
> Does it meets the Calif. standards.... Yes!
> Can they be sued? By us little guys...good luck!
> Are government standards, like many others,
> woefully outdated (1970)?... Yes!
> Did a current over the counter lead test kit
> indicate lead was being leached ?.... Yes!
> Would I dream of using those glazes? Never!
> Are these little "Paint your own shops" using and firing
> these glazes while people are having kids birthday parties etc.? You bet!
> Are people who purchase this ware/glaze informed? Who knows?
> Are people aware that when this ware is used over time the likelyhood
> of greater amounts of lead leaching is a pretty sure bet? Of course not!
>
> Nope....I just cannot condone the use of lead in glazes
> which amonst other things is guaranteed to lower IQs....
> Our recent history confirms we are already pretty dumbed-down!
>
> Gayle Bair
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> http://claybair.com
>
> From:
> Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
> web site: my.pclink.com/~melpots
> or try: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
> new/ http://www.rid-a-tick.com
>
>
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Lee Love on sat 17 jul 04
mel jacobson wrote:
> Nope....I just cannot condone the use of lead in glazes
> which amonst other things is guaranteed to lower IQs....
> Our recent history confirms we are already pretty dumbed-down!
Gayle,
I think Edouard is simply playing "devil's advocate."
I have not seen anybody here arguing in favor of
"unsafe glazes." I pretty much follow Mel's prescription: firing
at traditional stoneware temps and using the traditional "safe"
materials: feldspar, clay, silica, whiting and ash. If you
begin with safe materials, you are better off than using unsafe
materials and hoping that you have absolutely no crazing and no
absorption every firing and in every piece in each firing. One of the
advantages of stoneware and porcelain temps is that the industrial
materials are not necessary to flux the glazes or make the clay body
vitrify. Industry introduced us to most of the hazardous materials.
My main beef has been when people confuse "dish washer and
microwave safe" with "food safe." These are three different
things. Some functional would should be non-vitrified, for example
traditional flameware and terra cotta planters.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
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