Antoinette Badenhorst on wed 1 sep 04
Dear Connie, when I was still in South Africa our annual regional
ceramic juried exhibition (Western Cape) was held in the Nico Malan
theatre. Of all the regional exhibitions in SA, this was the most
successful one, since people with a higher art interest automatically
came through there and enjoyed the pottery and bought it.
I went to your website and I think your work will be easily accepted for
this exhibition. Other persons might be offended for not being accepted.
It is clear to me that these people are planning a professional platform
for the artists. They are seeking artists that will meet their own
professional level and they are going to offer this to art appreciators
that will have the money to pay for the real value of the work and maybe
follow up with you as a potter. That will give you exposure to a group
of people that is needed for higher end work. If you care for the arts
in general I do not think you will make a mistake to offer them some of
your pieces. Of cause there might be some teething problems with the
first attempt in the first few years, but if you are dealing with
professionals you should benefit from this. The other possibility is
that you might deal with people with a selfish agenda or with people
with poor juring judgment. Unfortunately you will only know the facts
once you do take part in this event.
I would advice you to contact them and get as much detailed information
as you could.
Let us know how it went if you do decide to do it.
Regards.
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Connie
Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:27 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Donations - just got this in the mail and can't believe it.
I know the donation conversation is sort of over, but I just got this in
the
mail and just don't quite know what to think - well actually,
flabbergasted
is a good word.
It's from a theater company doing a fundraiser (for student playwrights)
and
they're asking artists in about 12 different mediums to submit a piece
to be
auctioned at their "event" which includes "great food, cocktails and
art."
They want a 4"x6" or larger photo or "nice" digital image of the piece
or
similar work and they will notify the artist if they're SELECTED to have
their piece in the fundraiser. ?????? (They want your donation only if
it's
a good one.)
They are also looking for 3 to 5 artists to create their work on site
(between 6p.m and 7:30 p.m.) so it can be auctioned that night at the
live
auction at 7:30. The artists they want are those working in ceramics,
fiber,
glass, graphics and printmaking, jewelry, metalworks, mixed media,
painting,
photography, sculpture, wood and computer generated art. Now really,
start
to finished product in 90 minutes??
Have you ever heard of donations being juried?? This letter just kind
of
made me hopping mad.
Ok, done with rant.
Connie Christensen
Arvada, CO
www.conniechristensen.com
Off to Wisconsin tomorrow, will get to have a visit with Bacia while I'm
there.
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Connie Christensen on wed 1 sep 04
Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:
> Dear Connie, when I was still in South Africa our annual regional
> ceramic juried exhibition (Western Cape) was held in the Nico Malan
> theatre. Of all the regional exhibitions in SA, this was the most
> successful one, since people with a higher art interest automatically
> came through there and enjoyed the pottery and bought it.
Hi Antoinette, this wasn't an event to be able to sell my work - they wanted
donations for their fundraiser. It just hit me wrong.
Connie
Connie Christensen on wed 1 sep 04
I know the donation conversation is sort of over, but I just got this in the
mail and just don't quite know what to think - well actually, flabbergasted
is a good word.
It's from a theater company doing a fundraiser (for student playwrights) and
they're asking artists in about 12 different mediums to submit a piece to be
auctioned at their "event" which includes "great food, cocktails and art."
They want a 4"x6" or larger photo or "nice" digital image of the piece or
similar work and they will notify the artist if they're SELECTED to have
their piece in the fundraiser. ?????? (They want your donation only if it's
a good one.)
They are also looking for 3 to 5 artists to create their work on site
(between 6p.m and 7:30 p.m.) so it can be auctioned that night at the live
auction at 7:30. The artists they want are those working in ceramics, fiber,
glass, graphics and printmaking, jewelry, metalworks, mixed media, painting,
photography, sculpture, wood and computer generated art. Now really, start
to finished product in 90 minutes??
Have you ever heard of donations being juried?? This letter just kind of
made me hopping mad.
Ok, done with rant.
Connie Christensen
Arvada, CO
www.conniechristensen.com
Off to Wisconsin tomorrow, will get to have a visit with Bacia while I'm
there.
Marta Matray Gloviczki on thu 2 sep 04
dear Antoinette,
i think, when connie received a letter asking her to DONATE for the auction
at the theatre, they, (the theatre) knew her work is worthy, that's why
they asked her to donate. after all, connie is an award winning very
successful and well known potter with beautiful work.
the letter she was talking about, was not a 'call for entries' for a show
or exhibit. it was a solicitation for her to donate her work.
what you are talking about in south africa, that was NOT a charity auction,
if i undersood well, it was a juried exhibition.
we enter juried shows if we want to be juried and hopefully accepted and
exhibited.
and we donate if we think that the charity auction is worth to give...
there is a difference.
also, connie mentions that at that theatre fundraiser they would like to
have you (the lucky accepted artist) create your art 5-7pm as a performance
art.
so, you will have a chance to steel the audience's attention IF you are a
better entertainer than the clown. (yeah, the clown will perform there too,
between 5&7)
and please, dont be offended, i love clowns, i was one once!
sincerely,
marta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:
>Dear Connie, when I was still in South Africa our annual regional
>ceramic juried exhibition (Western Cape) was held in the Nico Malan
>theatre. Of all the regional exhibitions in SA, this was the most
>successful one, since people with a higher art interest automatically
>came through there and enjoyed the pottery and bought it.
>I went to your website and I think your work will be easily accepted for
>this exhibition. Other persons might be offended for not being accepted.
>It is clear to me that these people are planning a professional platform
>for the artists. They are seeking artists that will meet their own
>professional level and they are going to offer this to art appreciators
>that will have the money to pay for the real value of the work and maybe
>follow up with you as a potter. That will give you exposure to a group
>of people that is needed for higher end work. If you care for the arts
>in general I do not think you will make a mistake to offer them some of
>your pieces. Of cause there might be some teething problems with the
>first attempt in the first few years, but if you are dealing with
>professionals you should benefit from this. The other possibility is
>that you might deal with people with a selfish agenda or with people
>with poor juring judgment. Unfortunately you will only know the facts
>once you do take part in this event.
>I would advice you to contact them and get as much detailed information
>as you could.
>Let us know how it went if you do decide to do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>-----Original Message-----
>>> Connie Christensen wrote:
>>Subject: Donations - just got this in the mail and can't believe it.
>
>I know the donation conversation is sort of over, but I just got this in
>the mail and just don't quite know what to think - well actually,
>flabbergasted is a good word.
>
>It's from a theater company doing a fundraiser (for student playwrights)
>and they're asking artists in about 12 different mediums to submit a piece
>to be auctioned at their "event" which includes "great food, cocktails and
>art."
>
>They want a 4"x6" or larger photo or "nice" digital image of the piece
>or similar work and they will notify the artist if they're SELECTED to have
>their piece in the fundraiser. ?????? (They want your donation only if it's
>a good one.)
>
>They are also looking for 3 to 5 artists to create their work on site
>(between 6p.m and 7:30 p.m.) so it can be auctioned that night at the
>live auction at 7:30. The artists they want are those working in ceramics,
>fiber, glass, graphics and printmaking, jewelry, metalworks, mixed media,
>painting, photography, sculpture, wood and computer generated art. Now
really, start to finished product in 90 minutes??
>
>Have you ever heard of donations being juried?? This letter just kind
>of made me hopping mad.
>
>Ok, done with rant.
Earl Brunner on thu 2 sep 04
Right, SNOBS.
Earl Brunner
Las Vegas, NV
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Antoinette
Badenhorst
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:13 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Donations - just got this in the mail and can't believe it.
Dear Connie, when I was still in South Africa our annual regional
ceramic juried exhibition (Western Cape) was held in the Nico Malan
theatre. Of all the regional exhibitions in SA, this was the most
successful one, since people with a higher art interest automatically
came through there and enjoyed the pottery and bought it.
I went to your website and I think your work will be easily accepted for
this exhibition. Other persons might be offended for not being accepted.
It is clear to me that these people are planning a professional platform
for the artists. They are seeking artists that will meet their own
professional level and they are going to offer this to art appreciators
that will have the money to pay for the real value of the work and maybe
follow up with you as a potter. That will give you exposure to a group
of people that is needed for higher end work. If you care for the arts
in general I do not think you will make a mistake to offer them some of
your pieces. Of cause there might be some teething problems with the
first attempt in the first few years, but if you are dealing with
professionals you should benefit from this.
Antoinette Badenhorst on thu 2 sep 04
Martha thanks for your response. I understood perfectly well what she
said. I just wanted to emphasize that it might have some merit since the
type of event will give her a better exposure. I understand very well
what this is all about (I started the previous thread) One need to
understand that although they are artists, they will address it from
their platform. A person like Don Reitz has done this kind of
presentation very successfully in the past and we all know his
reputation. Maybe Connie's personality will not want to do that. Even
with her reputation some extra publicity (of the better kind) will not
do her any harm. Like I said before, she will have to decide what their
agenda is; is it to bring the arts together as well as benefit from it,
or is it just to collect money. After all, maybe next time maybe she can
ask the City Symphony or Rock band to play for free at their next
exhibition.
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Marta
Matray Gloviczki
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:34 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Donations - just got this in the mail and can't believe it.
dear Antoinette,
i think, when connie received a letter asking her to DONATE for the
auction
at the theatre, they, (the theatre) knew her work is worthy, that's why
they asked her to donate. after all, connie is an award winning very
successful and well known potter with beautiful work.
the letter she was talking about, was not a 'call for entries' for a
show
or exhibit. it was a solicitation for her to donate her work.
what you are talking about in south africa, that was NOT a charity
auction,
if i undersood well, it was a juried exhibition.
we enter juried shows if we want to be juried and hopefully accepted and
exhibited.
and we donate if we think that the charity auction is worth to give...
there is a difference.
also, connie mentions that at that theatre fundraiser they would like to
have you (the lucky accepted artist) create your art 5-7pm as a
performance
art.
so, you will have a chance to steel the audience's attention IF you are
a
better entertainer than the clown. (yeah, the clown will perform there
too,
between 5&7)
and please, dont be offended, i love clowns, i was one once!
sincerely,
marta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:
>Dear Connie, when I was still in South Africa our annual regional
>ceramic juried exhibition (Western Cape) was held in the Nico Malan
>theatre. Of all the regional exhibitions in SA, this was the most
>successful one, since people with a higher art interest automatically
>came through there and enjoyed the pottery and bought it.
>I went to your website and I think your work will be easily accepted
for
>this exhibition. Other persons might be offended for not being
accepted.
>It is clear to me that these people are planning a professional
platform
>for the artists. They are seeking artists that will meet their own
>professional level and they are going to offer this to art appreciators
>that will have the money to pay for the real value of the work and
maybe
>follow up with you as a potter. That will give you exposure to a group
>of people that is needed for higher end work. If you care for the arts
>in general I do not think you will make a mistake to offer them some of
>your pieces. Of cause there might be some teething problems with the
>first attempt in the first few years, but if you are dealing with
>professionals you should benefit from this. The other possibility is
>that you might deal with people with a selfish agenda or with people
>with poor juring judgment. Unfortunately you will only know the facts
>once you do take part in this event.
>I would advice you to contact them and get as much detailed information
>as you could.
>Let us know how it went if you do decide to do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>-----Original Message-----
>>> Connie Christensen wrote:
>>Subject: Donations - just got this in the mail and can't believe it.
>
>I know the donation conversation is sort of over, but I just got this
in
>the mail and just don't quite know what to think - well actually,
>flabbergasted is a good word.
>
>It's from a theater company doing a fundraiser (for student
playwrights)
>and they're asking artists in about 12 different mediums to submit a
piece
>to be auctioned at their "event" which includes "great food, cocktails
and
>art."
>
>They want a 4"x6" or larger photo or "nice" digital image of the piece
>or similar work and they will notify the artist if they're SELECTED to
have
>their piece in the fundraiser. ?????? (They want your donation only if
it's
>a good one.)
>
>They are also looking for 3 to 5 artists to create their work on site
>(between 6p.m and 7:30 p.m.) so it can be auctioned that night at the
>live auction at 7:30. The artists they want are those working in
ceramics,
>fiber, glass, graphics and printmaking, jewelry, metalworks, mixed
media,
>painting, photography, sculpture, wood and computer generated art. Now
really, start to finished product in 90 minutes??
>
>Have you ever heard of donations being juried?? This letter just kind
>of made me hopping mad.
>
>Ok, done with rant.
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Snail Scott on thu 2 sep 04
At 09:27 AM 9/1/2004 -0600, Connie wrote:
>a theater company doing a fundraiser...
>They want a...photo...will notify the artist if they're
SELECTED...3-5...create...work on site...in 90 minutes??
Wow! I wonder if anyone will go for this. I
thought I'd seen some outrageous ones, but
thistakes the cake! I sympathize with the
organizers of some fundraisers who get stuck
with really rotten donations, but submitting
photos for jurying, asking to be _allowed_ to
give work away - say what? That's some cojones!
Beggars can't be choosers.
This is a lot more work than usual to not get
paid for a good cause. Unless they have a
truly amazing patron list worth cultivating
(and I mean _world-class_), it's absurd.
I wonder if they've thought of the quality of
work they'll get in a 90 minute session, even
from the artists in faster media or styles?
-Snail Scott
Antoinette Badenhorst on thu 2 sep 04
I understand that Connie and it make sense to me in particular after all
the discussion we had over donations. I am just trying to prevent you
from throwing the baby out with the bathing water. I understood that
this is a donation they want from you, comparing to a juried show that I
was referring to. I am trying to tell you that they are trying to set up
an elite event and for that reason they want to prevent bad work
included. I think they probably had access to a general list of artists
in your region and just sent out the letter to everybody, for some it
might be a challenge, for you maybe offensive, since your work is
already on a high standard. Depending on where you stand as far as
promoting the arts in your area, it might be a good idea for you to
communicate this with these people. I really think their intention might
rather be to help promote high quality rather than offending people.
I was very surprised last year when I received a reward from a donation
that I made to WKNO in Memphis for promoting education. I did not know
that they gave awards, but felt afterwards that something like that
helps me in my portfolio as well as helping them to encourage artists to
give their best and set a high standard for an event like that. After
all, is that not kind of the way the Smithsonian show started?
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS
38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
ccpottery@BELLSOUTH.NET on thu 2 sep 04
Wow !!
Just when you think you have heard it all, you read this !!
Jurying into a fundraiser !!
These people probably think they are doing the artists a huge favor.
The saddest part is that some newbie artists will actually put
themselves in the hotseat for the sake of 'exposure'.
Then they will believe they have 'failed' if nothing comes of it.
The next step has got to be someone wanting to charge a fee for
artists to be allowed to donate a piece!
Chris Campbell - in North Carolina - Although, come to think of it,
some of the craft shows have been accused of being fundraisers for
the show promoters at the expense of the paying artists ... so is the leap so huge?
Chris Campbell Pottery, llc
9417 Koupela Drive
Raleigh, NC 27615
1-800-652-1008
FAX : 919-676-2062
E Mail : chris@ccpottery.com
Website : www.ccpottery.com
Wholesale : www.wholesalecrafts.com
Valice Raffi on thu 2 sep 04
The PBS TV station in Sacramento, Ca juries for their annual auction. I
used to donate to them, but when they changed to a juried system, it ticked
me off so much that I never donated again. So what if everyone said my
work would be sure to get in, I think the whole process is rude.
On top of thae idea of being juried to donate, artists were also told that
the work needed to be delivered in person (and of course picked up if not
accepted) on a certain date within certain hours. For all that, if you
were accepted, your work would be shown on tv (never mind that it might be
a 3 am) AND usually sold for bargain rates. Who needs that???
Valice
formerly of Sacramento, now from Las Cruces, NM!
(snip)>Have you ever heard of donations being juried?? This letter just kind of
>made me hopping mad.
>
>Ok, done with rant.
>
>Connie Christensen
>Arvada, CO
>www.conniechristensen.com
>Off to Wisconsin tomorrow, will get to have a visit with Bacia while I'm
>there.
>
Mayssan Shora Farra on fri 3 sep 04
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:21:11 -0500, Antoinette Badenhorst
wrote:
> After all, maybe next time maybe she can
>ask the City Symphony or Rock band to play for free at their next
>exhibition.
>
>
Hello Antoinette:
And before she agrees to let them play at her exhibition would they have to
audition too before she lets them play for free??
Mayssan,
hopping mad with Connie
Nanci Bishof on sat 4 sep 04
I've been on the brAIDS planning committee for our annual fundraiser for
about four to five years now. We do have a juried section for donations. There is
a checkoff on our donation form if an artist wishes to have their work juried.
There are cash prizes from $250 up to $1000 for 3rd to 1st place. I have not
heard of donations having to be juried into a fundraiser though.
nanci
Connie Christensen on sun 5 sep 04
Marta wrote:
> i think, when connie received a letter asking her to DONATE for the auction
> at the theatre, they, (the theatre) knew her work is worthy, that's why
> they asked her to donate.
Hi Marta
Well, I don't know. I have never heard of this theater group and really don't think they have any idea what my work looks like or even that I'm a potter. If I remember correctly, the letter actually had "call for entries" at the top.
I'm not opposed to giving donations if it's something I want to support, I have various causes I donate to. But I'm getting way to may requests to donate work and am learning to say "no" better than I used to.
My question was more about never having heard of people's donations being juried before and I was just curious if anyone else had heard of this because it really annoyed me. And maybe "hopping mad" was a bit of an over-reaction.
Connie Christensen
Arvada, CO
www.conniechristensen.com
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