Paul Herman on wed 8 sep 04
Larry,
I think you could figure it out by comparing orifice size (machine drill
number) to gas pressure. Note whether you are burning natural gas or
propane, as it makes a big difference.
My woodfire partner Joe has Bendel burners on his propane fired kiln,
and they seem to work pretty well. I think he runs them up to 2-3 pounds
pressure.
good firings,
Paul Herman
Great Basin Pottery
Doyle, California US
http://www.greatbasinpottery.com/
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>From: Larry Nakanishi
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Gas burner
>Date: Wed, Sep 8, 2004, 8:23 AM
>
> We recently purchased a used ceramic fiber kiln using Bendel Burners. The
> city requires some sort of information on the capacity of each burner (BTU
> output) and wondering if anyone may be able to help. The Builder of the
> kiln said there was an article in Ceramic Monthly on building the burner
> in 1978 or 79. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find an archive
> that will go that far back.
>
> Thanks in advance for any information or leads.
Vince Pitelka on wed 8 sep 04
I Googled "Bendel burner" and in less than a minute I found a reference to
"Gas Burner From Welded Pipe: Ceramics Monthly Vol. 25, No.7 Sept. 1977 pp.
48-49: The Bendel Burner (Don Bendel)"
I probably have that issue somewhere, but perhaps someone else has their
issues better organized. I expect that Don probably mentions the BTU rating
in the article.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
Marcia Selsor on wed 8 sep 04
The very same. Great man!
Marcia
On Sep 8, 2004, at 6:41 PM, Larry Nakanishi wrote:
> Thank you. I was wondering if the Don Bendel in some of the chats was
> one
> in the same.
>
> Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marcia Selsor"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Gas burner
>
>
>> I have some old purple ditto designs for the bendel Burner from the
>> 60s. They are at my studio. I'll check tomorrow to see if they mention
>> the BTU output. You could call Bendel in Flagstaff and ask him.
>> Marcia Selsor
>> On Sep 8, 2004, at 9:23 AM, Larry Nakanishi wrote:
>>
>>> We recently purchased a used ceramic fiber kiln using Bendel Burners.
>>> The
>>> city requires some sort of information on the capacity of each burner
>>> (BTU
>>> output) and wondering if anyone may be able to help. The Builder of
>>> the
>>> kiln said there was an article in Ceramic Monthly on building the
>>> burner
>>> in 1978 or 79. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find an
>>> archive
>>> that will go that far back.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any information or leads.
>>
>>
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Larry Nakanishi on wed 8 sep 04
We recently purchased a used ceramic fiber kiln using Bendel Burners. The
city requires some sort of information on the capacity of each burner (BTU
output) and wondering if anyone may be able to help. The Builder of the
kiln said there was an article in Ceramic Monthly on building the burner
in 1978 or 79. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find an archive
that will go that far back.
Thanks in advance for any information or leads.
Marcia Selsor on wed 8 sep 04
I have some old purple ditto designs for the bendel Burner from the
60s. They are at my studio. I'll check tomorrow to see if they mention
the BTU output. You could call Bendel in Flagstaff and ask him.
Marcia Selsor
On Sep 8, 2004, at 9:23 AM, Larry Nakanishi wrote:
> We recently purchased a used ceramic fiber kiln using Bendel Burners.
> The
> city requires some sort of information on the capacity of each burner
> (BTU
> output) and wondering if anyone may be able to help. The Builder of
> the
> kiln said there was an article in Ceramic Monthly on building the
> burner
> in 1978 or 79. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find an archive
> that will go that far back.
>
> Thanks in advance for any information or leads.
Larry Nakanishi on wed 8 sep 04
Thank you. I was wondering if the Don Bendel in some of the chats was one
in the same.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcia Selsor"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Gas burner
> I have some old purple ditto designs for the bendel Burner from the
> 60s. They are at my studio. I'll check tomorrow to see if they mention
> the BTU output. You could call Bendel in Flagstaff and ask him.
> Marcia Selsor
> On Sep 8, 2004, at 9:23 AM, Larry Nakanishi wrote:
>
> > We recently purchased a used ceramic fiber kiln using Bendel Burners.
> > The
> > city requires some sort of information on the capacity of each burner
> > (BTU
> > output) and wondering if anyone may be able to help. The Builder of
> > the
> > kiln said there was an article in Ceramic Monthly on building the
> > burner
> > in 1978 or 79. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find an archive
> > that will go that far back.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any information or leads.
>
>
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Craig Clark on thu 9 sep 04
Larry, I have found an old faded copy of the article that Vince
mentions. I can't make out what the BTU's are (it is no longer very
legible) but I do have the orifice size that we drilled for use at a
small school in the mountains of Bolivia. What worked well for us was
3/32 of an inch (0935 inch diameter.)
Quickly reviewing old notes and referencing "The Kiln Book," by
Frederick Olsen shows that if you don't know the BTU rating of a
homemade burner you can still give determine the "Flow of Gas" in BTU's
per hour.
I'm starting out with the orifice size that we used at high altitude
(8000ft) and changing to a lower application using the foot note at the
bottom of Table 7-5 pp. 206,207 (standard reference for 3500ft and
below.) Three orifice sizes larger, if I'm understanding the reference
correctly, will put your orifice at a wire gauge drill size of 39 (.0095
inch diameter) and give you a flow of 69, 200 BTU's per hour for each
burner. This is assuming a WC pressure of 11.0 on your propane.
The orfice size for your burner may be larger or smaller but this
will get you in the ball park. Enjoy the Bendal Burners. Using them
helped steer me away from the idea that I had of always needing a
massive, noisy power burner to get the job done.
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
Larry Nakanishi on thu 9 sep 04
Thank you! I tried Google, Yahoo, and 2020 but did not find the reference.
Must be doing something wrong (settings?).
I will be going into Planning shortly and will take Olsen's book to use as a
reference. Similar burner concept (fig. 7-43 simple pipe burner) but
doesn't have the mixture control.
Thank you everyone for the assistance.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Pitelka"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Gas burner
> I Googled "Bendel burner" and in less than a minute I found a reference to
> "Gas Burner From Welded Pipe: Ceramics Monthly Vol. 25, No.7 Sept. 1977
pp.
> 48-49: The Bendel Burner (Don Bendel)"
>
> I probably have that issue somewhere, but perhaps someone else has their
> issues better organized. I expect that Don probably mentions the BTU
rating
> in the article.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
> Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
> vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
> http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
>
>
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Steve Mills on fri 10 sep 04
Some idea of their output might be gained from knowledge of the size of
the *jet*. Mine (made for me by a friend as a gift) has a jet which is
1/16 bore. As another burner I have has the same jet size and is rated
at 110,000 BTU per hour at 30 PSI I guess my Bendel has roughly the same
output.
Maybe Marc Ward has some thoughts on this.
Steve
Bath
UK
In message , Larry Nakanishi writes
>We recently purchased a used ceramic fiber kiln using Bendel Burners. Th=
>e
>city requires some sort of information on the capacity of each burner (BT=
>U
>output) and wondering if anyone may be able to help. The Builder of the
>kiln said there was an article in Ceramic Monthly on building the burner
>in 1978 or 79. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find an archive
>that will go that far back.
>
>Thanks in advance for any information or leads.
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
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