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updated sat 11 sep 04


Earl Brunner on thu 9 sep 04

other teaching not in colleges or schools Safety

Nothing wrong with a waiver. And it's probably a good idea as far ai it
goes. We had a student stick herself BADLY (full length of the needle in
and out of her arm) with a needle tool at the art center awhile back. Her
needle tool, her accident. The city wanted her to go see if she needed a
tetanus shot or something. She didn't want to go, so the city required a
waiver, she went.

It doesn't matter what kind of waiver you have. The real key is liability.
And the thing that will make you libel is negligence. All of the waivers in
the world will not protect you from negligence. So, if as you say the
sickness or illness IS A RESULT of participating in the class (some
condition of the class or facility CAUSES the injury or illness), then you
are probably libel.

Earl Brunner
Las Vegas, NV
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Judith
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: co-op, guilds, other teaching not in colleges or schools Safety

Our guild has an issue we need to address and I was wondering what
everyone else out there is doing to handle the issue. The issue is safety
for the teachers and students.
Do any of you have the students or teachers sign a waiver, of any kind,
releasing the establishment of any liability for accidental injury or
illness that may be as a result of participating in classes at the
establishment? If you, would anyone be willing to share that information
with me. You can send me a copy of the waiver or agreement to my email
address off list. I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks from the Baltimore Potter's Guild
Judy Frederick

PS. We are on the NCECA circuit next year. I am looking forward to meeting
everyone out there in Clayart-land.

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Lois Ruben Aronow on fri 10 sep 04

other teaching not in colleges or schools Safety

I agree, liability is key. But a waiver is a simple way to avoid the costly
litigation that may be required to prove the liability. Most small
businesses cannot afford the cost of an attorney or the raise in their
insurance costs in the event of lawsuit and/or settlement.

One thing I have learned from ClayArt: GET A TETANUS SHOT. I cut myself
almost daily with my metal rib (by accident, of course). Shards are crazy

As for the student with the needle tool - OUCH!


"Grown-ups never understand anything by themselves, and it is tiresome for
children to always and forever explaining things to them."
- from "The Little Prince" by Antoine de Saint-Exupery


Lois Ruben Aronow
Modern Porcelain Tableware