Liz Willoughby on wed 15 sep 04
Mel,
Loved the fact that you showed that butt ugly shino teapot. Yep, too
thin. And what in the devil is that stroke by the spout? But I tell
you those tenmoku bowls are absolutely gorgeous. Sure doesn't look
like tenmoku though, but beautiful, beautiful, beautiful glazes.
Thanks for putting all those pots on your web-site. Will look
forward to the article.
Connie, put those pots with the tiny blisters in the electric kiln,
soak at 1950 F for 2 or 3 hours, the blistering will disappear, and
you will end up with gold, especially if they are dark.
Love it when potters have the humility to show what can go wrong,
especially with shino loaded with soda ash, well, it can be heaven or
it can be hell.
Best,
Meticky Liz from Grafton, Ontario Canada, who is definitely not a
Granny, especially to Tony. He used to call me Mom, now it is
Granny, perhaps his memory is going.
>yes, i want you to look at my butt ugly shino.
>used connie c's recipe from malcolm.
>did six teapots.
>
>she makes much better shino than i do.
>
>it is important after showing you all the success
>of the chinese pots....show them butt ugly too.
>failure. first class.
>i already called connie and told her.
>not her fault.
>
>glaze on too thin.
>
>the photo is at the end of the chinese pots on my
>website below/clayart page.
>
>at least you can see the chinese glazes of joe koons.
>they are nice.
Earl Krueger on wed 15 sep 04
On Sep 15, 2004, at 2:50 PM, mel jacobson wrote:
> it is important after showing you all the success
> of the chinese pots....show them butt ugly too.
Perhaps we could convince Chris to add a new
page to the Forms Gallery.
Call it "Butt-UgH-Lees" or "Our Flops".
Make it a contest.
Bet I win.
Earl K...
Bothell, WA, USA
Joyce LEE on wed 15 sep 04
I have at least two buckets of your shinos, Melvin,
and that doesn't count the black. AND two other
buckets containing your #1 shino with varying amounts
of soda ash in each..... they're all gorgeous. I also
have your firing schedule in my files.. the first firing I
did, remember? the one where we e-mailed and phoned
and you hung with me all day. Beautiful. =20
So...... dare I say it...... well, shoot, of course I do. If
you need any help, just holler. I'll talk you through it.
Teasing, naturally. What with David saying that he was
having a little trouble throwing Big Bowls since he'd been
away from them so long...... and now you...... you....
messin' up a shino firing! Glory be. I do believe I'm=20
feeling better about having to work through this awkward
time for me, thanks to you two.
You know, don't you, that Connie's formula would not
necessarily have the same results in your kiln, using
your water, and who knows? some differences in the
chemicals the two of you have on hand. Some clever
guru cautioned me (and others.... well, the whole world)
once that I could not expect to have my shinos look
like yours or Tony's or Malcolm's...... or Connie's... too
many factors at play.
Joyce
In the Mojave taking unfair advantage, knowing that
claybuds are giving me a lot of slack at the moment.....
thanks guys..... but I'm back...... pretty much full bore...
(all meanings of "bore" apply.....)
Rhonda Kale on wed 15 sep 04
Mel-
Reminds me of an ugly puppy-still has redeeming qualities and might grow up to be a purty dog. :-)
Rhonda Kale
watching Himicane Ivan do his thing-the sound is incredible.....a roar not to be believed and they say it's just starting....
qndivauniv@earthlink.net
Connie Christensen on wed 15 sep 04
Mel, I thought you were exaggerating when you said they were butt ugly but
after looking at the photo, well, it's pretty close to butt ugly. I was
concerned just moving my studio from Denver to Arvada that the difference in
the water would make a change in the glaze - that plus a new chimney
configuration. Shino's are so finicky - but darn, they're also so
fascinating!
I'm firing a load next week - mostly shino - you've got me nervous now.
Now your Chinese glazes - they're gorgeous.
Connie Christensen
Arvada, CO
www.conniechristensen.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "mel jacobson"
> yes, i want you to look at my butt ugly shino.
> used connie c's recipe from malcolm.
> did six teapots.
> white stoneware.
> and some stoneware/with iron.
> it was butt ugly.
> and, yes, it serves my right.
> she makes much better shino than i do.
mel jacobson on wed 15 sep 04
yes, i want you to look at my butt ugly shino.
used connie c's recipe from malcolm.
did six teapots.
white stoneware.
and some stoneware/with iron.
it was butt ugly.
and, yes, it serves my right.
she makes much better shino than i do.
it is important after showing you all the success
of the chinese pots....show them butt ugly too.
failure. first class.
i already called connie and told her.
not her fault.
but, i did get the bubbles, flat surface. and, only
the surface salt turned black and shiny. similar to her
early problems with this glaze. i should have done better.
my reasoning for failure:
glaze on too thin.
i did not heat the soda ash in hot water before adding.
i think it is on the bottom of the bucket.
and then, who knows. it is shino.
have a good laugh with me.
i know.
i know.
back to the drawing board.
the photo is at the end of the chinese pots on my
website below/clayart page.
at least you can see the chinese glazes of joe koons.
they are nice.
mel
From:
Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
web site: my.pclink.com/~melpots
or try: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
new/ http://www.rid-a-tick.com
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 15 sep 04
Hi Mel,
I am so sorry...
But then too, I have seen worse mishaps...
Too, there is allways 'Trap shooting'...!
You know, just have someone toss them, 'high' if possible,
but
regardless...heck, even do it outdoors...!
...and...
Someone else can humm 'Taps'...
Phil
el ve
----- Original Message -----
From: "mel jacobson"
> yes, i want you to look at my butt ugly shino.
> used connie c's recipe from malcolm.
> did six teapots.
> white stoneware.
> and some stoneware/with iron.
> it was butt ugly.
> and, yes, it serves my right.
> she makes much better shino than i do.
>
> it is important after showing you all the success
> of the chinese pots....show them butt ugly too.
> failure. first class.
> i already called connie and told her.
> not her fault.
>
> but, i did get the bubbles, flat surface. and, only
> the surface salt turned black and shiny. similar to her
> early problems with this glaze. i should have done
better.
>
>
> my reasoning for failure:
>
> glaze on too thin.
> i did not heat the soda ash in hot water before adding.
> i think it is on the bottom of the bucket.
> and then, who knows. it is shino.
>
> have a good laugh with me.
> i know.
> i know.
> back to the drawing board.
>
> the photo is at the end of the chinese pots on my
> website below/clayart page.
>
> at least you can see the chinese glazes of joe koons.
> they are nice.
> mel
Rikki Gill on wed 15 sep 04
Hi Mel,
Why don't you add glaze and refire?
The teapot has nice lines.
Best, Rikki
----- Original Message -----
From: "mel jacobson"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:50 PM
Subject: butt ugly shino
> yes, i want you to look at my butt ugly shino.
> used connie c's recipe from malcolm.
> did six teapots.
> white stoneware.
> and some stoneware/with iron.
> it was butt ugly.
> and, yes, it serves my right.
> she makes much better shino than i do.
>
> it is important after showing you all the success
> of the chinese pots....show them butt ugly too.
> failure. first class.
> i already called connie and told her.
> not her fault.
>
> but, i did get the bubbles, flat surface. and, only
> the surface salt turned black and shiny. similar to her
> early problems with this glaze. i should have done better.
>
>
> my reasoning for failure:
>
> glaze on too thin.
> i did not heat the soda ash in hot water before adding.
> i think it is on the bottom of the bucket.
> and then, who knows. it is shino.
>
> have a good laugh with me.
> i know.
> i know.
> back to the drawing board.
>
> the photo is at the end of the chinese pots on my
> website below/clayart page.
>
> at least you can see the chinese glazes of joe koons.
> they are nice.
> mel
> From:
> Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
> web site: my.pclink.com/~melpots
> or try: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
> new/ http://www.rid-a-tick.com
>
>
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Edy Lynn on wed 15 sep 04
(Me looking at Mel's Pics)
"Nice....nice.....nice....nice....oooh!
I'd still give you a few bucks for it--it has character. Really!=20
It appeals to me somehow.=20
Nice of you to share your mistakes as well as your triumphs.It makes us =
newbies feel better that someone as good and experienced as you can and =
does make mistakes and then learns from them and moves on.Thanks!
Edy Lynn
edylynn@djtrain.com
Mayssan Shora Farra on wed 15 sep 04
Hello Mel:
What is that handle above the spout for? I am just intrigued by it.
Thanks
Mayssan,
loving the chinese glazes especially the very first one you posted.
http://www.clayvillepottery.com
sdr on wed 15 sep 04
Dear Melvin Lee:
I looked a the newest firings of Chinese glazes.
I lust after those in a most unseemly fashion; nothing
to say there.
As to the shino, welllllllll - a full-growed man oughta
know better'n to do a thang lak thay-ut.
You already know what you did: too thin, forgot to
layer at the top, maybe brush on a touch of soda ash,
etc. And to think you've been busily layering all those
iron-based yummies above......
But the shino glaze IS a nice one, can tell by the rich
color. Make more. Looks like you nailed the reduction,
very warm. You must've been focusing elsewhere.
Make some tiny teapots, no bigger than a walnut.......
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Connie Christensen on thu 16 sep 04
----- Original Message -----
From: "Liz Willoughby" >
> Connie, put those pots with the tiny blisters in the electric kiln,
> soak at 1950 F for 2 or 3 hours, the blistering will disappear, and
> you will end up with gold, especially if they are dark.
>
Thanks Liz, I'll give that a try. It has also worked to refire the pots in
the gas kiln to smooth out the bubbles. Oh, and Mel, I forgot to tell you
the secret for the shino - it's the Rocky Mountain spring water, firing at
5,280 feet and the little shino dance when you put it in reduction. There's
also a pig butt kiln god on top of my kiln - wards off butt ugly pots - it
works, sometimes.
Connie Christensen
Arvada, CO
www.conniechristensen.com
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