Sheryl VanVleck-Wells on tue 23 nov 04
From www.dicklehman.com=20
"During my first ceramics class with Marvin Bartel, I was startled when =
he said: "If you are going to take someone else's idea, don't borrow it. =
Steal it! (I learned 15 years later that Bartel had stolen this very =
concept from poet Nick Linsey.)
The "startle value" of Bartel's comment was not wasted on me..as =
evidenced by the fact that I still remember it. With time, I have come =
to understand at least part of what he was attempting to teach. If I may =
paraphrase (or steal): Don't just borrow someone else's idea. If it is a =
borrowed idea, it still belongs to the owner. It still looks like it is =
his/her idea or property. Borrowing, thus defined, is plagiarism. If you =
are going to take someone else's idea or be influenced by another's =
inspiration, steal it - make it your own. If you take inspiration from =
another, have the integrity, courage and courtesy to develop the idea, =
to invest in it, to reinvent it, to make it more than it was. "
This, I do not think that Michael Moore can be accused of borrowing the =
idea. He made it his own.=20
After all, to quote another famous quote: "There are NO new ideas."
SherylSheryl A. VanVleck
VanVleck Studio
7873 N. Oak Ridge Road
Morgantown, IN 46410
www.VanVleckStudio.com
Courage does not always roar. Sometimes it is the quiet voice at the end =
of the day which says, 'I will try again tomorrow.'
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Edwards on tue 23 nov 04
Sheryl: The way it heard it phased was "Genius steals what talent
borrows" . Thanks for the explanation. I never heard it put as clearly.
~Craig Edwards
Sheryl VanVleck-Wells wrote:
>>From www.dicklehman.com
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>"During my first ceramics class with Marvin Bartel, I was startled when he said: "If you are going to take someone else's idea, don't borrow it. Steal it! (I learned 15 years later that Bartel had stolen this very concept from poet Nick Linsey.)
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>The "startle value" of Bartel's comment was not wasted on me..as evidenced by the fact that I still remember it. With time, I have come to understand at least part of what he was attempting to teach. If I may paraphrase (or steal): Don't just borrow someone else's idea. If it is a borrowed idea, it still belongs to the owner. It still looks like it is his/her idea or property. Borrowing, thus defined, is plagiarism. If you are going to take someone else's idea or be influenced by another's inspiration, steal it - make it your own. If you take inspiration from another, have the integrity, courage and courtesy to develop the idea, to invest in it, to reinvent it, to make it more than it was. "
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John Rodgers on tue 23 nov 04
Sheryl VanVleck-Wells wrote:
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>After all, to quote another famous quote: "There are NO new ideas."
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To put it another way.......... and to quote my Father, "Son, there
ain't nothing new under the sun!"
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
Lee Love on wed 24 nov 04
On 2004/11/23 22:46:42, SherylSh at clayart@lsv.ceramics.org wrote:
> another's inspiration, steal it - make it your own. If you take
inspiration from another, have the integrity, courage and courtesy to
develop the idea, to invest in it, to reinvent it, to make it more than
it was. "
The free flow of information and knowledge is more important than
being afraid that someone will steal from you. I do agree with Mel,
that attribution is important. Use it but give credit where credit is
due.
If you are able to see subtle differences (the differences I am
most interested in), then you know that it is very difficult not to put
yourself into everything you do. My teacher used to say, "Our self
is like ink in a dropper, dropping ink into clear water." We filter
everything we see through our preceptions and then that altered
understanding is again filtered by our hands, which cannot make and
exact copy of the image we have in our heads.
> This, I do not think that Michael Moore can be accused of borrowing
the idea. He made it his own.
I think so. It is too bad that Bradbury does not understand
allusion*. Moore used it effectively and I bet his movie even sold
some books for Brabury, to a generation that has forgotten about him.
The book I mentioned here previously arrived: Chase, Chance,
and Creativiey: The Lucky Art of Novelty. I will write about
stereotypical thinking and how it stifles creative thinking later for
Phil and Vince.
*Allusion is a brief reference to a person, event, or place, real or
ficticious, or to a work of art. Casual reference to a famous historical
or literary figure or event. An allusion may be drawn from history,
geography, literature, or religion.
Example:
Stephen Vincent Benet's story "By the Waters of Babylon" contains a
direct reference to Psalm 137 in the Bible.
--
Lee In Mashiko, Japan
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