Mark Tigges on mon 6 dec 04
There is a well known fake-escrow service scam. It usually begins
with a too good to be true situation.
You might want to see this:
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/dumbmrblah/Scamming%20the%20Scammer.htm
I'm sure you realize but I feel I HAVE to point it out. There is no
logical reason to purchase a used kiln valued at 1300 to ship it
around the world.
Best regards,
Mark.
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 08:04:09AM -0500, Bruce Freund wrote:
> A few days ago I posted my kiln for sale on Clayart. I received an email
> from a Mr. Landis in China. My price to him was $1300. The following is a
> part of what he wrote and I am NOT sure just what is going on. Here is his
> response.
>
> "Hello,
> am very much interested, to hasten up this transaction and to make
> it
> easier there is an associte of mine in usa who
> i will instruct to issue
> out payment to you immediately.i had a dicussion with not quit long,
> of
> what i am about to buy from you . he has agreed to issuing you a
> check ,i
> will instruct him to issue out the check in your name, so a total
> check
> of ($5,000) will be send to you because this is the total money i
> need
> from him .pls after the payment is in your possesion you will
> faithfully
> deduct your own part of it.Moreso i have discuss this transaction
> with my
> SOLICITOR and he told me that i should not be AFRAID , I don't
> know if I
> can ENTRUST YOU with my balance after you have deducted your own
> part of "
>
> Obviousley this is very strange but I wanted to post it to see if anyone
> knew anything about this type of thing.
> --
> Best of the Best,
>
> Bruce Freund
>
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on mon 6 dec 04
Hi Bruce,
Just make a couple little adjustments, to reply as...
.
"Hello, am velly mush intu-wested, to hase-ten up thees
twahn-zahshun also too...and to makeee
easee, we use honorable go-between lawyer friend of mine who
is an assocate-oo of mine in usah dis time too.
I will een-stuckt him to essspect you makee payments flum
you immejutelee now also. I have had diss-cussion with not
quit long now too.
Now, what you wishing to about buy from me politely, he is
agree to expecting from you a
check , must be un Yew-Ess-dah-lah...and this check will be
made to favor of 'Bearer'..."Mr. Bearer"...
So then, we aglee now very firm to do...a total check of
($5,000) "Five-Thousan-Dollah-Yew-Ess" will be send by you
now because this is the total money i
need from you this twahn-zac-shon.
Now also please, after the payment is in from your
possesion to be arrive to Mr. Bearer, you will
faithfully deduct your own part of it. Moreso i have discuss
this transaction
with my dwinking buddeees and they assure me also now many
time, of happy success doing business with you.
They also severl time tell me that i should not be AFRAID ,
so, I am happy to ENTRUST YOU with sending this balance to
my representative associate Mr. Bearer...
Looking forward to we do business now together many times to
come,
Yours,
etc.
Dewitt on mon 6 dec 04
At 07:04 AM 12/6/2004, you wrote:
>A few days ago I posted my kiln for sale on Clayart. I received an email
>from a Mr. Landis in China. My price to him was $1300. The following is a
>part of what he wrote and I am NOT sure just what is going on. Here is his
>response.
Run away, run away. This is a classic scam. He will give you a cashiers
check (or money order) and ask that you forward the balance to him. What
you will find out several weeks later is that the cashiers check is a
forgery and your bank will deduct the amount of the check from your account.
deg
Bruce Freund on mon 6 dec 04
A few days ago I posted my kiln for sale on Clayart. I received an email
from a Mr. Landis in China. My price to him was $1300. The following is a
part of what he wrote and I am NOT sure just what is going on. Here is his
response.
"Hello,
am very much interested, to hasten up this transaction and to make
it
easier there is an associte of mine in usa who
i will instruct to issue
out payment to you immediately.i had a dicussion with not quit long,
of
what i am about to buy from you . he has agreed to issuing you a
check ,i
will instruct him to issue out the check in your name, so a total
check
of ($5,000) will be send to you because this is the total money i
need
from him .pls after the payment is in your possesion you will
faithfully
deduct your own part of it.Moreso i have discuss this transaction
with my
SOLICITOR and he told me that i should not be AFRAID , I don't
know if I
can ENTRUST YOU with my balance after you have deducted your own
part of "
Obviousley this is very strange but I wanted to post it to see if anyone
knew anything about this type of thing.
--
Best of the Best,
Bruce Freund
SusanRaku@AOL.COM on mon 6 dec 04
It sounds like a way of laundering money through you.
Susan
Steve Slatin on mon 6 dec 04
Bruce --
This is the (new/old) Nigerian car scam, AKA the "419
scam" taken to China -- at least on paper. (I've met
many hundreds of Chinese folks over the years, and
never met one with the family name "Landis.")
See
http://www.buy-and-sell-car-secrets.com/nigerian-car-scam.html
for further details, or do a web
search. The scam depends on your sending goods and/or
cash for the "overage" away before you discover that
the visually impressive cashiers check you received is
in reality bogus.
Best wishes -- Steve Slatin
--- Bruce Freund wrote:
> A few days ago I posted my kiln for sale on Clayart.
> I received an email
> from a Mr. Landis in China
=====
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Chris Schafale on mon 6 dec 04
YES! Run the other direction!
At 08:04 AM 12/06/2004, you wrote:
>A few days ago I posted my kiln for sale on Clayart. I received an email
>from a Mr. Landis in China. My price to him was $1300. The following is a
>part of what he wrote and I am NOT sure just what is going on. Here is his
>response.
>
>"Hello,
> am very much interested, to hasten up this transaction and to make
> it
> easier there is an associte of mine in usa who
> i will instruct to issue
> out payment to you immediately.i had a dicussion with not quit long,
> of
> what i am about to buy from you . he has agreed to issuing you a
> check ,i
> will instruct him to issue out the check in your name, so a total
> check
> of ($5,000) will be send to you because this is the total money i
> need
> from him .pls after the payment is in your possesion you will
> faithfully
> deduct your own part of it.Moreso i have discuss this transaction
> with my
> SOLICITOR and he told me that i should not be AFRAID , I don't
> know if I
> can ENTRUST YOU with my balance after you have deducted your own
> part of "
>
>Obviousley this is very strange but I wanted to post it to see if anyone
>knew anything about this type of thing.
>--
>Best of the Best,
>
>Bruce Freund
>
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Carl Finch on mon 6 dec 04
At 08:04 AM 12/6/2004 -0500, Bruce Freund wrote:
>A few days ago I posted my kiln for sale on Clayart. I received an email
>from a Mr. Landis in China. My price to him was $1300. The following is a
>part of what he wrote and I am NOT sure just what is going on. Here is his
>response.
>
>"Hello,
> am very much interested, to hasten up this transaction and to make
> it [...]
Geez Louise, Bruce--this has been discussed-to-death here on Clayart (and
elsewhere on the Internet, and in newspapers, and...).
It's a scam, Scam, SCAM!
--Carl
in Medford, Oregon
But if you don't want to sell to that guy,
lemme know--I'll sell him mine.
(He can "entrust" ME to return the balance--not!)
:-)
Gail Phillips on tue 7 dec 04
Here is a link where you can read about someone scamming the scammer, who was trying to do the same thing, but by 'buying' a car - http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/class/scam/
- Gail Phillips
> At 08:04 AM 12/06/2004, you wrote:
> >A few days ago I posted my kiln for sale on Clayart. I received an email
> >from a Mr. Landis in China. My price to him was $1300. The following is a
> >part of what he wrote and I am NOT sure just what is going on. Here is his
> >response.
> >
> >"Hello,
> > am very much interested, to hasten up this transaction and to make
> > it
> > easier there is an associte of mine in usa who
> > i will instruct to issue
> > out payment to you immediately.i had a dicussion with not quit long,
> > of
> > what i am about to buy from you . he has agreed to issuing you a
> > check ,i
> > will instruct him to issue out the check in your name, so a total
> > check
> > of ($5,000) will be send to you because this is the total money i
> > need
> > from him .pls after the payment is in your possesion you will
> > faithfully
> > deduct your own part of it.Moreso i have discuss this transaction
> > with my
> > SOLICITOR and he told me that i should not be AFRAID , I don't
> > know if I
> > can ENTRUST YOU with my balance after you have deducted your own
> > part of "
> >
> >Obviousley this is very strange but I wanted to post it to see if anyone
> >knew anything about this type of thing.
> >--
> >Best of the Best,
> >
> >Bruce Freund
Robert Seele on tue 7 dec 04
Bruce,
Make sure the payment is unmarked $20.00 bills.
> A few days ago I posted my kiln for sale on Clayart. I received an
> email
> from a Mr. Landis in China. My price to him was $1300. The following
> is a
> part of what he wrote and I am NOT sure just what is going on. Here is
> his
> response.Obviousley this is very strange but I wanted to post it to
> see if anyone
> knew anything about this type of thing
Bob Seele
When you are dissatisfied and would like to go back to youth, think of
Algebra...Will Rogers
Mark Dal Pra on tue 7 dec 04
Bruce,
Yes this is a scam. A friend of mine was contact because he was selling his vehicle. The
buyer sends a fake cashiers check and then the goal is to get you to wire the balance and
sometimes the full amount because they have decided not to purchase the product. After you
wire him the balance the cashiers check comes back as a fake and you are stuck because the
bank expects payment for the balance that was wired. I hope this is helpful. Take care and
don't except any wooden nickles.
Blessings
Mark
Chris Schafale chris@LIGHTONECANDLE.COM wrote:
>YES! Run the other direction!
>
>At 08:04 AM 12/06/2004, you wrote:
>>A few days ago I posted my kiln for sale on Clayart. I received an email
>>from a Mr. Landis in China. My price to him was $1300. The following is a
>>part of what he wrote and I am NOT sure just what is going on. Here is his
>>response.
>>
>>"Hello,
>> am very much interested, to hasten up this transaction and to make
>> it
>> easier there is an associte of mine in usa who
>> i will instruct to issue
>> out payment to you immediately.i had a dicussion with not quit long,
>> of
>> what i am about to buy from you . he has agreed to issuing you a
>> check ,i
>> will instruct him to issue out the check in your name, so a total
>> check
>> of ($5,000) will be send to you because this is the total money i
>> need
>> from him .pls after the payment is in your possesion you will
>> faithfully
>> deduct your own part of it.Moreso i have discuss this transaction
>> with my
>> SOLICITOR and he told me that i should not be AFRAID , I don't
>> know if I
>> can ENTRUST YOU with my balance after you have deducted your own
>> part of "
>>
>>Obviousley this is very strange but I wanted to post it to see if anyone
>>knew anything about this type of thing.
>>--
>>Best of the Best,
>>
>>Bruce Freund
>>
>>______________________________________________________________________________
>>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>>
>>You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>>
>>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
>>melpots@pclink.com.
>
>Light One Candle Pottery
>Fuquay-Varina, North Carolina, USA (near Raleigh)
>www.lightonecandle.com
>Galleries of Pottery Forms by Clayart Potters: www.potteryforms.org
>Email: chris at lightonecandle dot com
>
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Carole Fox on tue 7 dec 04
SCAM! Has been around for a long time. They send you a bogus cashier's
check or other bogus negotiable instrument for $5k, you send them a good
check (or money order, etc.) for $3700, but when you try to collect on
their check you can't because it was fraudulent and you are out the $3700,
plus your merchandise worth $1300 if you shipped it somewhere.
Carole Fox
Dayton, OH
dalecochoy on tue 7 dec 04
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gail Phillips"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kiln for Sale....Is it a scam ???
> Here is a link where you can read about someone scamming the scammer, who
was trying to do the same thing, but by 'buying' a car -
http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/class/scam/
that's a long way to go for a bit of fun, :>)
but, it is almost an identical offer to one I had on a car I had on
AutoTrader for a year in the "run till sells" deal. My offer from Europe was
the same type deal, that I needed to send them a check for $6,500 !!!.
I turned into autotrader scam people along with a couple others.
BTW, ALL offers I got in a year were some type of scam or someone just
trying to price HIS car by making an offer to me. Once I said "OK" I never
heard from them again.
What a waste of time. I wound up trading it on a new car after almost a
yearof losing value while advertising through the net.
Dale
j e motzkin on wed 8 dec 04
yes Bruce. it is a scam. Apparently these thieves are able to make counterfeit bank checks that go undetected by the bank. By the time they are returned to the bank, the thief is long gone and the bank holds you responsible for the money. I had the same response to a kiln for sale for $4000 and was suspicious when the guy wrote that he was not interested in more info about the kiln or in the issues of shipment. The FBI said that there where thousands of these cased reported.
Beware,
Judy
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:04:09 -0500
From: Bruce Freund <>
Subject: Kiln for Sale....Is it a scam ???
A few days ago I posted my kiln for sale on Clayart. I
received an email
from a Mr. Landis in China. My price to him was $1300.
The following is a
part of what he wrote and I am NOT sure just what is
going on. Here is his
response.
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