Lili Krakowski on fri 10 dec 04
I have followed this threat, waiting for Revelation, or do I mean =
Epiphany? =20
Is U-all aware that every influential artist mentionned so far has been =
in the Western Cannon (mispelling intentional)?
And yet, and yet, the influence of Japan, which began in the 19th =
Century, the sudden re-discovery of African art--
So what is it? That he who has the most press is the most influential? =
I am not being sacrilegious, but if Duchamp had used a holy water stoop =
(RCs. That is what that is called, no?) or a baptismal font instead of =
a urinal would it have gotten to first base?
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
claybair on fri 10 dec 04
Lili,
My epiphany occurred when as a 6 years old
I saw our national parks and viewed undated
petroglyphs... How far back does that go???
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lili Krakowski
I have followed this threat, waiting for Revelation, or do I mean Epiphany?
Is U-all aware that every influential artist mentionned so far has been in
the Western Cannon (mispelling intentional)?
And yet, and yet, the influence of Japan, which began in the 19th Century,
the sudden re-discovery of African art--
So what is it? That he who has the most press is the most influential? I
am not being sacrilegious, but if Duchamp had used a holy water stoop (RCs.
That is what that is called, no?) or a baptismal font instead of a urinal
would it have gotten to first base?
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
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Steve Slatin on fri 10 dec 04
Lili --
It's more than that, the canonized artists have not
the influence of enormously more influential artists
who are not part of the community of artists viewed
as significant by the elite that makes up the list.
Walt Disney is more influential than any of the
canonically 'significant' artists. There are kids who
learn to draw by starting with a Mickey Mouse face in
Burma and Zaire, who've never seen a Duchamp or a
Picasso, and hundreds of millions more people can
identify a Disney icon than any Miro or Braque or
Brancusi -- it's only difficult to identify a single
work of his that's more significant than others. Do
you think the people that talk about Duchamp even
consider him an artist, though?
Brancusi's a great artist, and fun (though not as
fun as Red Grooms, IMO), but the 'celebrity' artists
studied in universities rarely have the actual
cultural influence of, say, Margaret Keane. Or
whoever it was who did the first velvet Elvis.
-- Steve Slatin
--- Lili Krakowski wrote:
> Is U-all aware that every influential artist
> mentionned so far has been in the Western Cannon
> (mispelling intentional)?
=====
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Bop -- are taught?
Well, there am!
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Harry Peery on sat 11 dec 04
Walt Disney is more influential than any of the
> canonically 'significant' artists. There are kids who
> learn to draw by starting with a Mickey Mouse face in
> Burma and Zaire, who've never seen a Duchamp or a
> Picasso, and hundreds of millions more people can
> identify a Disney icon than any Miro or Braque or
> Brancusi --
Hi all, Hi Steve,
Thought I'd jump in at this point as I've been lurking and reading the
various posts about the most influential artist vs the 'best'. The answers
have been very well thought out - I especially agree with the person that
said (not a direct quote) that art is judged and valued from the perspective
of those that created it. (Vince?) I personally would not think that a
urinal/toilet bowl was art, but then, I'm not the ceramic engineer that
designed it for the purpose it was intended. I'm sure s/he thought it was
wonderful, and right s/he would be - sure beats the outhouse! Art, design
and purpose are all intertangled, don't you think? Art for art's sake
elicits a response. That a urinal was judged to be the most influential
piece of art has indeed, elicited a response. When I was 14, I saw
Michelangelo's 'Pieta' at the World's Fair in NYC. In the dark, cobalt blue
of the room, the sculpture was lit from below and above and looked
absolutely translucent and other-worldly. I had no idea why I responded this
way, but I stood there and sobbed. Definitely a response.
I live in Mickey land, near Orlando Florida. The Disney organization is
probably one of the best in the world as far as product identification and
advertising goes. As you get near Disney World, even the occasional lamppost
on the highway has the "Mickey ears" that, as you said, even children in
Burma and Zaire would identify. It becomes a game to find Mickey ears
everywhere, and I do mean everywhere! ;_P The cartoon cels are collected by
people all over the world, but the rest? Pure subliminal and blatant
advertising.
I think, and it's my humble opinion of course, that it all comes down to
getting the name and product out - advertising. Picasso, Miro, Michelangelo,
etc, have all had marvelous bodies of work that have been defined,
discussed, and debated ad infinitum. They are known. If we sit in our
studios and expect the world to come to us, we will be, alas, the proverbial
starving artist. As I said, Disney is one of the best, and if I had
Disney's advertising budget, I'm sure everyone in the world would know who
Sue Peery and Dancing Tree studio was! (VWG)
Anyway, to conclude this minirant, the idea of what art is will forever be a
subject of discussion because everyone comes from their own 'place'. What I
think is art, and what someone else thinks will always be up in the air.
Advertising, subliminal or otherwise, will only make the product more
identified, but whether it is art? You get to decide.
Sue in sunny Mickey land
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Slatin"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Influential work of art
> Lili --
>
> It's more than that, the canonized artists have not
> the influence of enormously more influential artists
> who are not part of the community of artists viewed
> as significant by the elite that makes up the list.
>
> Walt Disney is more influential than any of the
> canonically 'significant' artists. There are kids who
> learn to draw by starting with a Mickey Mouse face in
> Burma and Zaire, who've never seen a Duchamp or a
> Picasso, and hundreds of millions more people can
> identify a Disney icon than any Miro or Braque or
> Brancusi -- it's only difficult to identify a single
> work of his that's more significant than others. Do
> you think the people that talk about Duchamp even
> consider him an artist, though?
>
> Brancusi's a great artist, and fun (though not as
> fun as Red Grooms, IMO), but the 'celebrity' artists
> studied in universities rarely have the actual
> cultural influence of, say, Margaret Keane. Or
> whoever it was who did the first velvet Elvis.
>
> -- Steve Slatin
> --- Lili Krakowski wrote:
>
> > Is U-all aware that every influential artist
> > mentionned so far has been in the Western Cannon
> > (mispelling intentional)?
>
>
> =====
> Steve Slatin -- Did you know there is schools
> Where Bop -- and nothing but
> Bop -- are taught?
> Well, there am!
> Sequim, Washington, USA
>
>
>
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