Eddie Krieger on tue 14 dec 04
Go to Lowe's or Home Depot. They will have several models to choose from.
I've been using a heater that fits directly onto a propane bottle as a heat
source for my studio for a number of years. Best I recall it only cost about $40
for the single burner but that was several years ago. I'm sorry I don't know
the name of the unit but I know you can easily find it at one of those
stores. It requires no electricity and will heat up a small room in a matter of
minutes. It is not, however, a heater you would want to run continuously.
Good luck.
Eddie Krieger
Abilene, Tx
Milla Miller on tue 14 dec 04
I no longer have ANY source of electricity to run the fan on my kerosene/oil
heat stove and cannot use coal or wood so I am wondering if there is a
system using propane that will use propane and if anything else a battery not
needing recharging /replacing too very oftern.the building is concrete block
9'ceilings and big windows and overhead doors 2200 sqft.We are getting down to 20
degrees now here and might get single digit weather soon.It needs to be safe
as it runs unattended and there are living quarters above.I have been running
mr.heaters mounted on propane tanks but they need refilling too often and the
building must be unoccupied when they are employed as hey cannot be vented,
I am forced to sell the oil/kerosene heater that used to keep it cozy.There
is a big OUT SIDE oil tank and a Seigler heater that may need a new fan and
another heater I was given that is smaller but has not been tested so all as
is.$100 or trade for some cones or ? ,YOU REMOVE IT AND HAUL IT AWAY, IN CENTRAL
SC.You will need a line from the tank to your shop and a metal chimney to
clear your roof.There is some fuel left in the tank and a spigot to draw it down.
Margaret in SC
Warren Heintz on tue 14 dec 04
Hey,
There is a heater made by Comfort Glow, and there is a website, that has thermostat, and they sell two versions, natural gas and propane. I bought mine throught Home Depot, I think they ran about $130.00 ea. Up to date safety features, such as automatic shut off if there is a drop in gas pressure. They can be free standing or mounted on the wall. Warren
Milla Miller wrote:
I no longer have ANY source of electricity to run the fan on my kerosene/oil
heat stove and cannot use coal or wood so I am wondering if there is a
system using propane that will use propane and if anything else a battery not
needing recharging /replacing too very oftern.the building is concrete block
9'ceilings and big windows and overhead doors 2200 sqft.We are getting down to 20
degrees now here and might get single digit weather soon.It needs to be safe
as it runs unattended and there are living quarters above.I have been running
mr.heaters mounted on propane tanks but they need refilling too often and the
building must be unoccupied when they are employed as hey cannot be vented,
I am forced to sell the oil/kerosene heater that used to keep it cozy.There
is a big OUT SIDE oil tank and a Seigler heater that may need a new fan and
another heater I was given that is smaller but has not been tested so all as
is.$100 or trade for some cones or ? ,YOU REMOVE IT AND HAUL IT AWAY, IN CENTRAL
SC.You will need a line from the tank to your shop and a metal chimney to
clear your roof.There is some fuel left in the tank and a spigot to draw it down.
Margaret in SC
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 14 dec 04
Hi Milla,
Electric Heat is about the only kind I can think of, which
would not need to be vented.
Anything else, as for Wood or Gas or Kerosene, if it makes
enough Heat to become meaningful, will be making enough CO1
to be even more meaningful.
While there were many sorts of small, free-standing Natural
Gas or Propane Heaters made which have no provision for
venting, (I have a rreally cute 1920s one in Cast Iron,
about the size of a fat loaf of Bread on it's little Queen
Anne legs which I cannot use here indoors no matter how
tempting it is sometimes oweing to how there would be too
much no-enough of fresh Air to off-set it's fumes, ) I would
not advise you use them in an enclosed space. Especially not
in an enclosed space that is fairly well sealed against
outside drafts and so on.
The inconvenience of Carbon Doixide being reliably produced
along with the warmth, as you know, can effect you
certainly, from moderate head-ache and woozyness, to serious
loss of balance and faculty and passing out into
unconsciousness, to more inconvenient yet, actually killing
you as you sleep, or as you have passed-out from it
already...laying there like some Salvadore-Dali 'watch'...
Not so good...
What prevents you from having a Woodstove or Propane Heat
Stove which can be vented?
I would imagine, a good, old time, Cast Iron, Wood or Coal
Stove would be about ideal...
You gotta keep warm somehow! Eeeeeesh...20 degrees is a real
mood-dampener for indoor Work and daily life things of one's
household chores and so on...I know! But at least with that,
you do not have to feel bad if you stand there with the
Refridgerator door open a long time, wondering what to elect
for a snack. I been places sometimes where I was certain,
the Air in the room was in fact colder than what was going
on inside the Refridgerator...so you could open it's door TO
warm things up a little...
Phil
el ve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milla Miller"
> I no longer have ANY source of electricity to run the fan
on my kerosene/oil
> heat stove and cannot use coal or wood so I am wondering
if there is a
> system using propane that will use propane and if anything
else a battery not
> needing recharging /replacing too very oftern.the building
is concrete block
> 9'ceilings and big windows and overhead doors 2200 sqft.We
are getting down to 20
> degrees now here and might get single digit weather
soon.It needs to be safe
> as it runs unattended and there are living quarters
above.I have been running
> mr.heaters mounted on propane tanks but they need
refilling too often and the
> building must be unoccupied when they are employed as hey
cannot be vented,
>
> I am forced to sell the oil/kerosene heater that used to
keep it cozy.There
> is a big OUT SIDE oil tank and a Seigler heater that may
need a new fan and
> another heater I was given that is smaller but has not
been tested so all as
> is.$100 or trade for some cones or ? ,YOU REMOVE IT AND
HAUL IT AWAY, IN CENTRAL
> SC.You will need a line from the tank to your shop and a
metal chimney to
> clear your roof.There is some fuel left in the tank and a
spigot to draw it down.
> Margaret in SC
Milla Miller on tue 14 dec 04
hi,
i'm sorry i didn't mean i will not want it vented i just said, i thought,
that i am now running on gas grill tanks inside but must go to a vented system
that runs longterm and does not need tanks changed out daily.
of course, i want it vented if i am going to occupy the building, which i am
unable to do now.
i just need to know if there is a propane heater that runs efficiently and
economically without an electric service, that i no longer have since i lost
power with a studio fire and the inspectors won't allow a temp. pole that i
need to get on with things.
M.
In a message dated 12/14/04 2:48:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
>
> Electric Heat is about the only kind I can think of, which
> would not need to be vented.
>
>
John Jensen on tue 14 dec 04
Down in Louisiana in the olden days of my youth, we all used natural gas
space heaters in our houses. Every room had a natural gas outlet and a
little heater which burned with an open flame. Gas was cheap and we =
burned
those fires all day, all night, every day, every night...in the winter.
Nobody I knew ever got sick or dead or in anyway upset by the =
by-products of
combustion...Maybe because our houses were so leaky.
Because of that experience, I've never been too worried when I use a =
Mr.
Heater to boost the temperature in my studio, usually in the depths of =
the
coldest days of winter.
A few years ago I used the Mr. Heater to heat up a room I was using =
to
dry ware during a heavy production period. Those heaters were on day =
and
night for several days, and I came and went in those rooms with no
discernable ill effects.=20
I wouldn't want to sleep in a tight room with an open flame, though.
Let your own, not my, wisdom be your guide....but there it is for the
taking.
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
John Jensen@mudbugpottery.com
http://www.toadhouse.com www://www.mudbugpottery.com
-----Original Message-----
John Jensen on tue 14 dec 04
There must be a lot of furnaces that run on propane, but the ones I think of
would need electricity to run the fan. I'm sure there are some that are
designed to be used in motorhomes, campers and boats which would run on 12
vdc. Maybe you could use some solar cells to keep the batteries charged.
Just thinking this through with you, a bit. While we wait for an expert
opinion.
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
John Jensen@mudbugpottery.com
http://www.toadhouse.com www://www.mudbugpottery.com
hi,
i'm sorry i didn't mean i will not want it vented i just said, i thought,
that i am now running on gas grill tanks inside but must go to a vented
system
Bob Hanlin on tue 14 dec 04
We just bought our son a "Mr Heater". Indoor safe propane heater. Works on little propane bottles or the big ones. You can get it at Bass Pro or we got one at Academy. Cost $79.95.
Bob
Warren Heintz wrote:
Hey,
There is a heater made by Comfort Glow, and there is a website, that has thermostat, and they sell two versions, natural gas and propane. I bought mine throught Home Depot, I think they ran about $130.00 ea. Up to date safety features, such as automatic shut off if there is a drop in gas pressure. They can be free standing or mounted on the wall. Warren
Milla Miller wrote:
I no longer have ANY source of electricity to run the fan on my kerosene/oil
heat stove and cannot use coal or wood so I am wondering if there is a
system using propane that will use propane and if anything else a battery not
needing recharging /replacing too very oftern.the building is concrete block
9'ceilings and big windows and overhead doors 2200 sqft.We are getting down to 20
degrees now here and might get single digit weather soon.It needs to be safe
as it runs unattended and there are living quarters above.I have been running
mr.heaters mounted on propane tanks but they need refilling too often and the
building must be unoccupied when they are employed as hey cannot be vented,
I am forced to sell the oil/kerosene heater that used to keep it cozy.There
is a big OUT SIDE oil tank and a Seigler heater that may need a new fan and
another heater I was given that is smaller but has not been tested so all as
is.$100 or trade for some cones or ? ,YOU REMOVE IT AND HAUL IT AWAY, IN CENTRAL
SC.You will need a line from the tank to your shop and a metal chimney to
clear your roof.There is some fuel left in the tank and a spigot to draw it down.
Margaret in SC
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Liam Wertenbaker on sun 19 dec 04
i use a non vented popane heater in my studio here in frigid central new
york it works great. here is a link to a sight that caries them
http://www.heatershop.com/propane_space_heaters.html i'm not endorsing this
shop it just has a wide range of both the infared heat, and blue flame
heaters as an example. i use a blue flame it works realy well for me. you
would probably need mor than one for your studio's size. the blue works
well for general heat and the ifrared works more like a fire heating whats
in front of it, nice for next to the wheel. both kinds burn 99%+ clean thus
the no vent option. grood luck.
Ron Roy on mon 20 dec 04
Carbon monoxide is a real danger when burning anything inside - with no
resupply of oxygen. I would only do that if I has a carbon monoxide
detector running (in orking order.) Recent studies indicate even low levels
if CO are detrimental - so a low level detector would be best.
The kind you get at your local hardware is better than none but you are
being warned too late.
The Aeromedix detector begins to warn at 10 ppm and is the best on the
market for the price - about $100 US
P.O. Box 14730 982 West Broadway, Jackson Hole WY 83001
Aeromedix - 307 - 732 -2542
www-aeromedix.com
>i use a non vented popane heater in my studio here in frigid central new
>york it works great. here is a link to a sight that caries them
>http://www.heatershop.com/propane_space_heaters.html i'm not endorsing this
>shop it just has a wide range of both the infared heat, and blue flame
>heaters as an example. i use a blue flame it works realy well for me. you
>would probably need mor than one for your studio's size. the blue works
>well for general heat and the ifrared works more like a fire heating whats
>in front of it, nice for next to the wheel. both kinds burn 99%+ clean thus
>the no vent option. grood luck.
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
Fax: 613-475-3513
Milla Miller on mon 20 dec 04
I wrote , following that quote , that I only use the UNVENTED MR Heater when
there is no occupancy to keep pipes and wet products from freezing and
would always use a carbon monoxide/smoke detector if people were present.What I
am trying to get is a heating equipment reccommended product that is capable of
heating 2200 squarefeet 8-9 feet ceiling of concrete block
construction,WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF ANY ELECTRICITY AT ALL,SAVE A ''D ''BATTERY or such, a
chimney is present from the oil/kerosene heater that I cannot operate without
electricity for its fan.
Thanks for your reply,
M.
> Carbon monoxide is a real danger when burning anything inside - with no
> resupply of oxygen. I would only do that if I has a carbon monoxide
> detector running (in orking order.) Recent studies indicate even low levels
> if CO are detrimental - so a low level detector would be best.
>
> The kind you get at your local hardware is better than none but you are
> being warned too late.
>
> The Aeromedix detector begins to warn at 10 ppm and is the best on the
> market for the price - about $100 US
>
> P.O. Box 14730 982 West Broadway, Jackson Hole WY 83001
>
> Aeromedix - 307 - 732 -2542
> www-aeromedix.com
>
> >i use a non vented popane heater in my studio here in frigid central
Lee Love on tue 21 dec 04
Non-vented kerosene portable space heater technology is really
advanced here in Japan. Out here in the country, it is what most people
heat with.
The one I am sitting in front of as I type, has a
blower and has a little computer brain that controls it. They have a
thermostat and you can set the heat level and blower strength. Will
even sound an alarm and shut down if it isn't burning efficiently.
Because of earthquakes, if it is bumped, it turns itself off. You
can program them to turn themselves on and they will automatically
turn themselves off. Beep if they are low on kerosene.
I have a simpler one, radiant heat type, running next
to my wheel right now, warming up before I go out to work. It has a
copper pan on it, with four 2 liter bottles filled with water that are
heating up. I use two of these bottles as footwarmers while I am
working on the wheel. When one set gets cool, I switch them for the
other two on top the kerosene heater.
My morning routine, in this order is: turn on computer,
start coffee brewing, turn on water for Jean's tea, use the
bathroom, put hot water in my coffee bowl and Jean's teapot and tea
cup, sign the computer on to the internet, go to studio, start kerosene
heater, cut wood, start the wood stove, go back to house, pour coffee,
read my email...
See photos here:
http://public.fotki.com/togeika/lifestyles/dsc01205.html (four photos,
click next)
Smoke and carbon monoxide detectors are very expensive here
and are not as widely used as back home. We had friends back in
Minnesota ship ours here. My wood stove and the wood kiln trip the
carbon monoxide detector easily, but the kerosene heaters have never
set it off.
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