pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 22 dec 04
Hi Janet,
Below...amid...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Kaiser"
> Well, it is not really off topic, because potters need to
print
> brochures, letters, etc.
Yes...quite so...a very handy capacity to have...
> But anyway... I do not use MSPublisher
> for any of the stuff you do, Phil, but I do use PageMaker
to
> achieve a great deal. I used to create forms as part of my
job...
Hmmm...I think did have 'Pagemaker' initially, but
stumbleing all alone with it I got disgusted and tossed it.
Maybe now, if I tried it out, I would like it...but
initially, being too inexperienced and no pals here to guide
me in any of it at the time, I did not do well with it at
all.
The same with Dreamweaver...I got nowhere fast...and felt
merely depressed and exhasperated. Tossed it too...
I allways made my own Business forms, from the beginning,
but for a
few really old tablets of some kinds which I have that are
from the '30s. Contract Forms with more clauses and
provisions than you could shake a stick at. I loved them for
their long paragraphs of Legalese...and how the provider may
not be held liable for delays incidental to "Foreign
Embargo, Acts of God, Incliment Weather, Stike, Acts of War,
Domestic
Perutrbations, Riot, Marshal Law, Calamities of Nature,
Flood, Force Mejure ( was it?)..." etc...wonderful
stuff...those old forms covered
everything and then some...
I hated all that 'ncr-paper' stuff with their dead-moods at
the Office Supply
Stores...eeeeesh...depressing...
> Yes, there are professional form designers!
I would enjoy being one...it is fun to design forms...
> At least there
are in
> Germany, which is almost as burocratic as the UK! Whether
Germany
> or the UK we tend to use A4 paper exclusively (except UK
lawyers
> and some Govt. departments who use custom-made stationary,
> including the files to hold them), so I do not know about
those
> other formats that you are using. HOWEVER... I have found
that
> you often have to trick the printer into thinking it is
dealing
> with a different size paper or envelope to the one it is
actually
> fed.
I do not know what "A4" Paper is...is it like NCR Paper?
Or is it something polite, where use Carbon Paper between
the sheets?
I need to re-install my Windows 98...it has some sort of
boo-boo or pre-frontal labilities or other which are goofing
up things sometimes. HP
spent three hours with me yesterday on the phone trying to
figure out
why, with many experiments under their guidance, my Printer
would NOT recognise
8-1/2 X 14...so I will get my Windows 98 re-installed and
see what shakes then.
I am intending to get a larger Hard-Drive anyway...so I may
do both-at-once.
> For example, I often take a C5 envelope (landscape) but
set up
> the document as an A4 (portrait). Design what I want
printed
> across the top of the "page" and then feed the printer the
> envelopes. Depends on your make of printer whether you
succeed
> with this strategy or not. And of course, how precise your
> measurements, layout and printer feeder all are.
I tried that on my Printer, but to no avail...(But it may be
a Windows problem)
Yahhhhh...I arrive at the layout for envelopes
impirically...I guess close, print one, adjust, print
another...and I can get it very precise that way, but for
the still unresolved issue of how to get the damed Printer
to print closer to the edges ( and to recognise 'Legal-Size'
Paper)...where, for a thin boarder, it
looks less appealing when it is obliged to be too far
'in'...
> AFAIK printing right up to the edge of paper is a
relatively new
> concept for manufacturers of printers for use by home
users. It
> has only just become "universal" with these photo-printer
> set-ups. Most printers will want to leave a few
millimeters
> around the edge.
A few mms is fine with me, but I am unable to get better
than 1/2 inch on the ends of envelopes, but I can get an
agreeable 3/16ths or so on
their sides. But I just get blankness otherwise where my
lines
should be on the ends...I would like to have a uniform
3/16ths all
around...
> I presume this is so that the ink does not gunge
> up the innards...
Should not matter...as for the 'ends' of envelopes...where,
should the little rollers adjust themselves to the width
even, they would be
doing so to accomidate the sides and not the ends...or, for
that matter, the ink is not even applied untill the rollers
are done with that area anyway...so...should not matter, at
least on my Printer...(HP Deskjet 6122)
I know my printer is happy to print over the edges of things
when it goofs up...I would like it if it would print merely
'near' all four edges when I want it to...
> The professional users are printing onto paper
> which then is cut to size. They can then design
"to-the-edge"
> layouts easily, by extending colour, patterns, etc. beyond
the
> margins. It will then just be guillotined off...
Yes...
And certainly for Printing Presses, being their little
finger-grippers need to grasp the page...need a margain
which later is trimmed off...and to do so without smudgeing
their more liesurely drying of Inks...
I just do not see why my HP Printer should so presume for
itself, and for me...what does it care? The Ink is applied
after the
rollers are done with it...
> If you are designing the layout yourself, for professional
> printing later, find out what they will accept.
Ohhhhhh yes...otherwise there can be a lot of wasted paper
to lament about...different Presses have different
requirements on this also.
> Lisa is lucky her
> printer will take MSPublisher... Ours would not, because
there is
> too much for them to convert to whatever they use. The do
accept
> PageMaker 5.0 and later.
Hmmm...I will see if I still have 'Pagemaker' in here
somewhere...I know I tossed it, but how thoroughly I tossed
it I do not recall...might still be there somewhere...or
some dangley never completely uninstalled roots of it
anyway...
> The other questions you asked... Well Phil, it seems to me
that
> you are requiring a great deal more of the programmes than
would
> be considered "normal" or "average"! You need "advanced"
> programming here!
Yes...it seems I am blessed to be that way with almost
everything in almost every
catagory of almost anything...
...sigh...
> Hope this helps!
Yes!
Thank you!
Merry Christmas!
Happy Christmas!
To ye and yours...
> Sincerely
>
> Janet :o)
Phil
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